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Lemon Squares (my modified version) & Liquid Splenda

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Just made the Lemon Squares with a couple of modifications.  They ARE good enough for company!  Upon tasting the raw crust, I realized it would lend itself VERY nicely to flaxmeal, so I added a tsp to that.  I used 2 tsp lemon extract instead of lemon juice (based on other comments here) and liquid Splenda in the topping.   I’m THRILLED with the Liquid Splenda!  By using that in the lemon topping, I saved about 24 carbs off the total, and it’s VERY sweet!  Actually, I might use LESS sweetener next time (and there WILL be a next time).  I used a longer cake pan so the lemon topping layer was fairly thin — I may use the 8×8 pan recommended in the directions next time. I ordered the liquid Splenda (in a syrup base) from http://www.locarber.com (the website seems unavailable at the moment, but that’s probably just a temporary glitch).  The timing was good since the owner had just received or was about to receive more product from the manufacturer, so I had it in about a week.  It’s GREAT for anything that will easily mix with liquid sweetener such as tea, coffee, CHEESECAKE, whatever, and it bakes well.  I’d order more right away, but I want to see how long this lasts.   My modified version of the Lemon Squares is as follows: Nancy’s Low Carb Lemon Squares (bar cookies) Crust: 3/4 cup almond flour 1/4 cup oat flour 1 Tbl flaxmeal 1/2 cup Splenda 1/2 cup softened butter 1/2 teaspoon guar or xanthan gum (optional, just helps hold it together better) Filling: 2 large eggs 1.5 tbl Liquid Splenda 1/2 teaspoon baking powder 1/4 teaspoon salt 2 tsp lemon extract Blend crust ingredients and pat into a Pam sprayed 8×8 baking pan. Bake at 350 degrees for about 18 minutes  or until very lightly browned and set (not shiny any more). Beat the ingredients for the filling (topping) for about a minute, pour evenly over the pre-baked crust and bake again for about 15-20 minutes or until barely browned and set. Let cool at room temperature, cut into 16 even squares, eat one and cover the rest. Keep cool in the refrigerator. 10 servings (you could make them smaller, of course :-) Carbs: 3.637 Cals:  167.8 — Saffire 205/187/125 Atkins since 6/14/03 Progress photo:  http://photos.yahoo.com/saffire333

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just made the Lemon Squares with a couple of modifications.  They ARE good enough for company!  Upon tasting the raw crust, I realized it would lend itself VERY nicely to flaxmeal, so I added a tsp to that.  I used 2 tsp lemon extract instead of lemon juice (based on other comments here) and liquid Splenda in the topping.   I’m THRILLED with the Liquid Splenda!  By using that in the lemon topping, I saved about 24 carbs off the total, and it’s VERY sweet!  Actually, I might use LESS sweetener next time (and there WILL be a next time).  I used a longer cake pan so the lemon topping layer was fairly thin — I may use the 8×8 pan recommended in the directions next time. I ordered the liquid Splenda (in a syrup base) from http://www.locarber.com (the website seems unavailable at the moment, but that’s probably just a temporary glitch).  The timing was good since the owner had just received or was about to receive more product from the manufacturer, so I had it in about a week.  It’s GREAT for anything that will easily mix with liquid sweetener such as tea, coffee, CHEESECAKE, whatever, and it bakes well.  I’d order more right away, but I want to see how long this lasts.   My modified version of the Lemon Squares is as follows: Nancy’s Low Carb Lemon Squares (bar cookies) Crust: 3/4 cup almond flour 1/4 cup oat flour 1 Tbl flaxmeal 1/2 cup Splenda 1/2 cup softened butter 1/2 teaspoon guar or xanthan gum (optional, just helps hold it together better) Filling: 2 large eggs 1.5 tbl Liquid Splenda 1/2 teaspoon baking powder 1/4 teaspoon salt 2 tsp lemon extract Blend crust ingredients and pat into a Pam sprayed 8×8 baking pan. Bake at 350 degrees for about 18 minutes  or until very lightly browned and set (not shiny any more). Beat the ingredients for the filling (topping) for about a minute, pour evenly over the pre-baked crust and bake again for about 15-20 minutes or until barely browned and set. Let cool at room temperature, cut into 16 even squares, eat one and cover the rest. Keep cool in the refrigerator. 10 servings (you could make them smaller, of course :-) Carbs: 3.637 Cals:  167.8

Interesting that locarber is selling what is essentially liquid splenda.  Looks like they may have found a loop hole in the contract that precludes reselling it.  They have just added some minimal presevative ingredients and then call it a syrup base, which is then just a food product containing splenda.

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Interesting that locarber is selling what is essentially liquid splenda.  Looks like they may have found a loop hole in the contract that precludes reselling it.  They have just added some minimal presevative ingredients and then call it a syrup base, which is then just a food product containing splenda.

Has anyone actually purchased from this vendor?  I tried to, but they would only accept PayPal, and I’ve had a negative experience with them.   I’ll use PayPal if they’re actually a legit business, so I’d like to hear if anybody else used them successfully.   TIA, Chakolate — On sadness: The cure for this ill is not to sit still, Or to frowst with a book by the fire, But to take a large hoe and a shovel also, And to dig till you gently perspire.     –Rudyard Kipling

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Interesting that locarber is selling what is essentially liquid splenda.  Looks like they may have found a loop hole in the contract that precludes reselling it.  They have just added some minimal presevative ingredients and then call it a syrup base, which is then just a food product containing splenda. Has anyone actually purchased from this vendor?  I tried to, but they would only accept PayPal, and I’ve had a negative experience with them.   I’ll use PayPal if they’re actually a legit business, so I’d like to hear if anybody else used them successfully.   TIA, Chakolate

I sell on ebay and accept Paypal as my only form of payment. It is safe quick and hassle free. I have never had a problem using them. I use lowcarbchocoaltes.com and they accept Paypal.  I also do many international transaction with no trouble either. Laureen

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Interesting that locarber is selling what is essentially liquid splenda.  Looks like they may have found a loop hole in the contract that precludes reselling it.  They have just added some minimal presevative ingredients and then call it a syrup base, which is then just a food product containing splenda. Has anyone actually purchased from this vendor?  I tried to, but they would only accept PayPal, and I’ve had a negative experience with them.   I’ll use PayPal if they’re actually a legit business, so I’d like to hear if anybody else used them successfully.   TIA, Chakolate I sell on ebay and accept Paypal as my only form of payment. It is safe quick and hassle free. I have never had a problem using them. I use lowcarbchocoaltes.com and they accept Paypal.  I also do many international transaction with no trouble either. Laureen

I use PayPal for various things – purchased a book with it, use it to accept payment for items sold on EBay, etc.  Great service.  Legit. — Nancy Howells (don’t forget to switch it, and replace the ;) to send mail).

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Interesting that locarber is selling what is essentially liquid splenda.  Looks like they may have found a loop hole in the contract that precludes reselling it.  They have just added some minimal presevative ingredients and then call it a syrup base, which is then just a food product containing splenda. Has anyone actually purchased from this vendor?  I tried to, but they would only accept PayPal, and I’ve had a negative experience with them.  

I did.  Now that you mention it, I think I DID use PayPal for it.  I actually keep an entirely separate (as in another bank) account JUST for using with PayPal/eBay.  I dont’ even have any checks for it since I only use it electronically.  I keep a limited amount in it so that even if something DOES go terribly awry, there’s only so much money available.  I haven’t had any problems with PayPal (yet), but it sounds like you have.  I’ve used them for several years now.   I’ll use PayPal if they’re actually a legit business, so I’d like to hear if anybody else used them successfully.  

– Saffire 205/187/125 Atkins since 6/14/03 Progress photo:  http://photos.yahoo.com/saffire333

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I sell on ebay and accept Paypal as my only form of payment. It is safe quick and hassle free. I have never had a problem using them. I use lowcarbchocoaltes.com and they accept Paypal.  I also do many international transaction with no trouble either.

I know that most people have no problem, and I’d be willing to give them another try, but I want to be sure the vendor is legit first. Chakolate — On sadness: The cure for this ill is not to sit still, Or to frowst with a book by the fire, But to take a large hoe and a shovel also, And to dig till you gently perspire.     –Rudyard Kipling

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I asked: Has anyone actually purchased from this vendor?  I tried to, but they would only accept PayPal, and I’ve had a negative experience with them.   I did.

So just to be clear, you ordered from locarber.com and the delivery was what was promised?  I worry a little that they say it could take up to 4 weeks.  If they’re not legit, they could be a long way away in 4 weeks.   Chakolate — On sadness: The cure for this ill is not to sit still, Or to frowst with a book by the fire, But to take a large hoe and a shovel also, And to dig till you gently perspire.     –Rudyard Kipling

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I sell on ebay and accept Paypal as my only form of payment. It is safe quick and hassle free. I have never had a problem using them. I use lowcarbchocoaltes.com and they accept Paypal.  I also do many international transaction with no trouble either. I know that most people have no problem, and I’d be willing to give them another try, but I want to be sure the vendor is legit first.

I bought some liquid splenda from her last spring, before she set up the locarber.com site.  She was running it as more of an informal co-op then, just by word-of-mouth and email.  Delivery took several weeks, but she warned us ahead of time that that would be the case.  She did deliver as promised, when promised.  I consider her legit. (I took a bigger risk then than someone would who buys from her site now — back then, we were buying a much more highly concentrated solution, in larger bottles, so it cost the co-op participants $99 each, including S&H. She didn’t rip anyone off.) Em

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I bought some liquid splenda from her last spring, before she set up the locarber.com site.  She was running it as more of an informal co-op then, just by word-of-mouth and email.  Delivery took several weeks, but she warned us ahead of time that that would be the case.  She did deliver as promised, when promised.  I consider her legit.

Thanks!  This was exactly what I hoped to hear.  I’m ordering now.   Chakolate — On sadness: The cure for this ill is not to sit still, Or to frowst with a book by the fire, But to take a large hoe and a shovel also, And to dig till you gently perspire.     –Rudyard Kipling

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Interesting that locarber is selling what is essentially liquid splenda.  Looks like they may have found a loop hole in the contract that precludes reselling it.  They have just added some minimal presevative ingredients and then call it a syrup base, which is then just a food product containing splenda. Has anyone actually purchased from this vendor?  I tried to, but they would only accept PayPal, and I’ve had a negative experience with them.  

I’ve bought from locarber.com. I understand that she ships when she’s accumulated enough orders and was prepared to wait 3-4 weeks (as it says on the site, right next to the Splenda ordering place). It got here in less than a week! I was so surprised and delighted. Unfortunately, I’ve discovered that I *HATE* the taste of Splenda. Well, the taste is okay but the aftertaste… <shudder It’s truly disgusting to me. And it took brushing my teeth to get rid of the taste. But that’s not the fault of locarber.com! Lots of people do like the taste of Splenda. I’ve never found an artificial sweetener that didn’t have some sort of hideous aftertaste for me. I wouldn’t hesitate to order from them again if only I could enjoy the taste of Splenda. Shirley to reply via e-mail remove the trees from my address

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Unfortunately, I’ve discovered that I *HATE* the taste of Splenda. Well, the taste is okay but the aftertaste… <shudder It’s truly disgusting to me. And it took brushing my teeth to get rid of the taste.

Interested in reselling the syrup? Chakolate — On sadness: The cure for this ill is not to sit still, Or to frowst with a book by the fire, But to take a large hoe and a shovel also, And to dig till you gently perspire.     –Rudyard Kipling

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I asked: Has anyone actually purchased from this vendor?  I tried to, but they would only accept PayPal, and I’ve had a negative experience with them.   I did. So just to be clear, you ordered from locarber.com and the delivery was what was promised?  I worry a little that they say it could take up to 4 weeks.  If they’re not legit, they could be a long way away in 4 weeks.  

Yes.  I actually received it early.  It is a coop, so they wait until they have enough orders and then order it in bulk — THAT’S why it might take a long time.   I lucked out in the timing dept.  TrishZ, who I am assuming is the owner, sent an order confirmation right away.  I found them because there was a discussion about liquid sucralose here in the carb group in late September and someone recommended them.  Trish used to post here (before my time) and a Google search reveals what seems to be a very nice person.  Of course, I didn’t KNOW that was her Usenet ID until I received the confirmation message — until then, I only knew the locarber.com part.  In any case, my transaction went very well and I plan to order from them again.   An interesting thing about this liquid sucralose is that the sweet taste STAYS in your mouth for a very long time.   — Saffire 205/187/125 Atkins since 6/14/03 Progress photo:  http://photos.yahoo.com/saffire333

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Interesting that locarber is selling what is essentially liquid splenda.  Looks like they may have found a loop hole in the contract that precludes reselling it.  They have just added some minimal presevative ingredients and then call it a syrup base, which is then just a food product containing splenda. Has anyone actually purchased from this vendor?  I tried to, but they would only accept PayPal, and I’ve had a negative experience with them.   I’ll use PayPal if they’re actually a legit business, so I’d like to hear if anybody else used them successfully.   TIA, Chakolate — On sadness: The cure for this ill is not to sit still, Or to frowst with a book by the fire, But to take a large hoe and a shovel also, And to dig till you gently perspire.     –Rudyard Kipling

How did you have a negative experience with paypal?  I hope you aren’t blaming pay pal for a vendor that turned out to be dis-honest.  All paypal does is transfer funds.  It’s not thier fault if a vendor turns out to suck, and it certainly isn’t their responsibility to get your money back for you. Jake — My favorite animal is steak.–Fran Lebowitz

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But that’s not the fault of locarber.com! Lots of people do like the taste of Splenda. I’ve never found an artificial sweetener that didn’t have some sort of hideous aftertaste for me. I wouldn’t hesitate to order from them again if only I could enjoy the taste of Splenda.

Sistah! Priscilla

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Interesting that locarber is selling what is essentially liquid splenda.  Looks like they may have found a loop hole in the contract that precludes reselling it.  They have just added some minimal presevative ingredients and then call it a syrup base, which is then just a food product containing splenda. Has anyone actually purchased from this vendor?  I tried to, but they would only accept PayPal, and I’ve had a negative experience with them.   I’ll use PayPal if they’re actually a legit business, so I’d like to hear if anybody else used them successfully.   TIA, Chakolate — On sadness: The cure for this ill is not to sit still, Or to frowst with a book by the fire, But to take a large hoe and a shovel also, And to dig till you gently perspire.     –Rudyard Kipling How did you have a negative experience with paypal?  I hope you aren’t blaming pay pal for a vendor that turned out to be dis-honest.  All paypal does is transfer funds.  It’s not thier fault if a vendor turns out to suck, and it certainly isn’t their responsibility to get your money back for you. Jake

I think what the OP was referring to, was not PayPal itself, but the fact that vendors that only do business through PayPal are not held to nearly the same standards that vendors that take major credit cards. It’s much harder for a vendor to establish a VISA/AMEX account.  Just about anyone with a bank account can open a PayPal account. You’re right that it’s not PayPals fault if someone screws you.  But it’s a lot more likely to happen from a vendor that only takes Cash or Paypal.  And then they can walk away and open a new Paypal account in their son’s name, etc.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Interesting that locarber is selling what is essentially liquid splenda.  Looks like they may have found a loop hole in the contract that precludes reselling it.  They have just added some minimal presevative ingredients and then call it a syrup base, which is then just a food product containing splenda. Has anyone actually purchased from this vendor?  I tried to, but they would only accept PayPal, and I’ve had a negative experience with them.   I’ll use PayPal if they’re actually a legit business, so I’d like to hear if anybody else used them successfully.   TIA, Chakolate — On sadness: The cure for this ill is not to sit still, Or to frowst with a book by the fire, But to take a large hoe and a shovel also, And to dig till you gently perspire.     –Rudyard Kipling How did you have a negative experience with paypal?  I hope you aren’t blaming pay pal for a vendor that turned out to be dis-honest.  All paypal does is transfer funds.  It’s not thier fault if a vendor turns out to suck, and it certainly isn’t their responsibility to get your money back for you. Jake I think what the OP was referring to, was not PayPal itself, but the fact that vendors that only do business through PayPal are not held to nearly the same standards that vendors that take major credit cards. It’s much harder for a vendor to establish a VISA/AMEX account.  Just about anyone with a bank account can open a PayPal account. You’re right that it’s not PayPals fault if someone screws you.  But it’s a lot more likely to happen from a vendor that only takes Cash or Paypal.  And then they can walk away and open a new Paypal account in their son’s name, etc.

Thanks for the explanation- I wasn’t making the connection. Jake — My favorite animal is steak.–Fran Lebowitz

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Incorrect. When a person is "paypal" verified member that is DESIGNED To portray a level of TRUST paypal has in the vendor and passes that percieved "trust" onto me. Paypal does everything and acts like a BANK but because they are NOT a bank you have NONE of the federally mandated PROTECTIONS in place to prevent from being SCREWED They are not transferring funds. I am paying paypal money. paypal then pays the vendor (a different sum of money I might add) I have heard many a horror story bout paypal (yes I use paypal almost daily but very very carefully A seller sold a "collectable" item to a buyer for $2500 buyer recieved and was happy. a week later the buyer was demanding a refund. why ? she saw what she has BID ON AND WON IN AUCTION (the $2500) cheaper somewhere else and wanter her money back. CLEARLY the seller said tough thats your problem. the buyer SENT the item back to paypal. paypal STOLE this ladies $2500 OUT of her bank account and gave it back to the buyer and then told the seller do you want the item back ? !!!! MY GOD !!!! the GAL ! this person entered a bid into a legally binding contract and because she felt she paid too much PAYPAL STOLE this persons money. this would never happen if paypal was forced to become a real financial institution but by staying private and unofficial they get to pull shit like this. I will never take more than a couple hundred dollars as payment via paypal. just not worth having paypal screw me. Chris Taylor http://www.nerys.com/

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Interesting that locarber is selling what is essentially liquid splenda.  Looks like they may have found a loop hole in the contract that precludes reselling it.  They have just added some minimal presevative ingredients and then call it a syrup base, which is then just a food product containing splenda. Has anyone actually purchased from this vendor?  I tried to, but they would only accept PayPal, and I’ve had a negative experience with them. I’ll use PayPal if they’re actually a legit business, so I’d like to hear if anybody else used them successfully. TIA, Chakolate — On sadness: The cure for this ill is not to sit still, Or to frowst with a book by the fire, But to take a large hoe and a shovel also, And to dig till you gently perspire.     –Rudyard Kipling How did you have a negative experience with paypal?  I hope you aren’t blaming pay pal for a vendor that turned out to be dis-honest.  All paypal does is transfer funds.  It’s not thier fault if a vendor turns out to suck, and it certainly isn’t their responsibility to get your money back for you. Jake — My favorite animal is steak.–Fran Lebowitz

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Incorrect.

WOW!  That’s just wacky.  I must use paypal in a totally different way from you (or the people you’ve described).  I had no idea you could send paypal your merchandise to get a refund.   Thanks for the heads up.  I’d love more information on paypal crossing the bounds like this- it would be interesting to see if it happens a lot. Jake

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Heh heh, look what I just found… http://nopaypal.com — My favorite animal is steak.–Fran Lebowitz

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How did you have a negative experience with paypal?  I hope you aren’t blaming pay pal for a vendor that turned out to be dis-honest.  All paypal does is transfer funds.  It’s not thier fault if a vendor turns out to suck, and it certainly isn’t their responsibility to get your money back for you.

I’d rather not go into details, and it was (almost) as much my fault as PayPal’s, but it was my first internet purchase and it went really wrong.   It was also when PayPal first started.  I’m willing to try them again; as I said, I just wanted to make sure the vendor was legit first.   Chakolate — On sadness: The cure for this ill is not to sit still, Or to frowst with a book by the fire, But to take a large hoe and a shovel also, And to dig till you gently perspire.     –Rudyard Kipling

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Paypal does everything and acts like a BANK but because they are NOT a bank you have NONE of the federally mandated PROTECTIONS in place to prevent from being SCREWED

THANK you for this CLEAR and OBVIOUS explanation.  It SOUNDS like you have had a LOT of EXPERIENCE with PayPal.  :-) Chakolate — On sadness: The cure for this ill is not to sit still, Or to frowst with a book by the fire, But to take a large hoe and a shovel also, And to dig till you gently perspire.     –Rudyard Kipling

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – How did you have a negative experience with paypal?  I hope you aren’t blaming pay pal for a vendor that turned out to be dis-honest.  All paypal does is transfer funds.  It’s not thier fault if a vendor turns out to suck, and it certainly isn’t their responsibility to get your money back for you. I’d rather not go into details, and it was (almost) as much my fault as PayPal’s, but it was my first internet purchase and it went really wrong.   It was also when PayPal first started.  I’m willing to try them again; as I said, I just wanted to make sure the vendor was legit first.   Chakolate

Actually the more I read about people’s paypal complaints ( I looked up the phrase "paypal screwed me over" in Google), the more I see your point.  I had never heard of someone getting bent by PP, but apparently it happens a lot. Jake — My favorite animal is steak.–Fran Lebowitz

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THANK you for this CLEAR and OBVIOUS explanation.  It SOUNDS like you have had a LOT of EXPERIENCE with PayPal.  :-)

Actually IT sounds LIKE his CAPS lock KEY is BROKEN.

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I’d rather not go into details, and it was (almost) as much my fault as PayPal’s, but it was my first internet purchase and it went really wrong.   It was also when PayPal first started.  I’m willing to try them again; as I said, I just wanted to make sure the vendor was legit first.  

PayPal is owned by eBay now.  I’ve seen their policies improving since the buyout.  For a nominal fee, you can buy satisfaction insurance on your purchase.  Might be worth another look.  I’ve been using them for several years with no problem. Carol — 226/196/150 October Challenge Goal – 191 http://photos.yahoo.com/carol_arie/ Atkins since January 26, 2003 Type 2 Diabetic since May 15, 2001

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