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Hello, I had an item up for sale on eBay and my reserve price was $500. The highest bid ended up at $41 and the auction closed. The bidder contacted me and negotiated a deal for $100. I finally agreed but the auction is over and when I click the link to "Send Billpoint Invoice" it says that the page has expired. Does anyone know a good way to complete this transaction without doing another auction? I want him to send me the money safely and securely and then I can send him the item.
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says… Hello, I had an item up for sale on eBay and my reserve price was $500. The highest bid ended up at $41 and the auction closed. The bidder contacted me and negotiated a deal for $100. I finally agreed but the auction is over and when I click the link to "Send Billpoint Invoice" it says that the page has expired. Does anyone know a good way to complete this transaction without doing another auction? I want him to send me the money safely and securely and then I can send him the item.
Why not just ask him to send a Postal money order?
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That is a violation of the TOS Terms of Service with ebay. They don’t look kindly on making deals "off ebay". Relist the auction with a BIN (Buy it Now) feature for $100 and send the buyer the link..then send your BillPoint invoice after he "buys it".
Hello, I had an item up for sale on eBay and my reserve price was $500. The highest bid ended up at $41 and the auction closed. The bidder contacted me and negotiated a deal for $100. I finally agreed but the auction is over and when I click the link to "Send Billpoint Invoice" it says that the page has expired. Does anyone know a good way to complete this transaction without doing another auction? I want him to send me the money safely and securely and then I can send him the item.
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Hello, I had an item up for sale on eBay and my reserve price was $500. The highest bid ended up at $41 and the auction closed. The bidder contacted me and negotiated a deal for $100. I finally agreed but the auction is over and when I click the link to "Send Billpoint Invoice" it says that the page has expired.
That’s because the auction did not end successfully; you put that $500 reserve on it to insure it wouldn’t sell at a lower price – and eBay is merely following your instructions. Does anyone know a good way to complete this transaction without doing another auction? I want him to send me the money safely and securely and then I can send him the item.
Relist it! Put a Buy-It-Now of $100 on it, with shipping charges calculated, and limit the bidding to only him. When it ends (ie, when he buys it), you’ll get those listing fees back. I’m just curious how you set the original reserve price, then decided to sell it for 1/5 that amount. *I* would not have sold it for that little if a reasonable selling price was higher. I’d have waited until sales were going better, and see what another auction would bring. And in the meantime, I’d be researching a *fair* price and putting that as a BIN. Kris I want him to send me the money safely and securely – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -and then I can send him the item.
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Hello, I had an item up for sale on eBay and my reserve price was $500. The highest bid ended up at $41 and the auction closed. The bidder contacted me and negotiated a deal for $100. I finally agreed but the auction is over and when I click the link to "Send Billpoint Invoice" it says that the page has expired. Does anyone know a good way to complete this transaction without doing another auction? I want him to send me the money safely and securely and then I can send him the item.
If you want to sell something that is not eBay related (or eBay related *anymore*) just go to billpoint.com directly and send general invoice. I use it all the time for normal business transactions. — Mac (doogle)
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I’m just curious how you set the original reserve price, then decided to sell it for 1/5 that amount. *I* would not have sold it for that little if a reasonable selling price was higher. I’d have waited until sales were going better, and see what another auction would bring. And in the meantime, I’d be researching a *fair* price and putting that as a BIN. Kris
That really all depends on what the item is and what it means to you, and if the buyers are there, though. I’ve sold items that I thought would bring a good price, after 3 tries with a lower reserve each time I gave up and sold it NR for much less than I wanted (but still made a profit). Charles
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But making deals "off ebay" is a legal business transaction, correct? Otherwise, eBay would violate anti-trust of prohibiting and anti-competitive sales.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – That is a violation of the TOS Terms of Service with ebay. They don’t look kindly on making deals "off ebay". Relist the auction with a BIN (Buy it Now) feature for $100 and send the buyer the link..then send your BillPoint invoice after he "buys it".
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You can make all the business deals off-eBay you want, you just can’t do so on items you have listed with eBay and people who saw those items on eBay. Same situation with a real estate contract. If a broker lists your house, and takes a buyer by to look at it in the closing days of the brokerage agreement, you can’t wait till the agreement expires before you sign a contract just to avoid paying the brokerage fees. It does happen, but if the broker finds out, they’ve been known to sue. Richard Ward – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – But making deals "off ebay" is a legal business transaction, correct? Otherwise, eBay would violate anti-trust of prohibiting and anti-competitive sales. That is a violation of the TOS Terms of Service with ebay. They don’t look kindly on making deals "off ebay". Relist the auction with a BIN (Buy it Now) feature for $100 and send the buyer the link..then send your BillPoint invoice after he "buys it".
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Richard, Can you tell me exactly where in eBay prohibit this? Under what kind of contract we are legally binded not to make the deal? I am concern and want to understand the exact term of law involve. Thanks.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You can make all the business deals off-eBay you want, you just can’t do so on items you have listed with eBay and people who saw those items on eBay. Same situation with a real estate contract. If a broker lists your house, and takes a buyer by to look at it in the closing days of the brokerage agreement, you can’t wait till the agreement expires before you sign a contract just to avoid paying the brokerage fees. It does happen, but if the broker finds out, they’ve been known to sue. Richard Ward
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You can make all the business deals off-eBay you want, you just can’t do so on items you have listed with eBay and people who saw those items on eBay. Same situation with a real estate contract. If a broker lists your house, and takes a buyer by to look at it in the closing days of the brokerage agreement, you can’t wait till the agreement expires before you sign a contract just to avoid paying the brokerage fees. It does happen, but if the broker finds out, they’ve been known to sue. Richard Ward
eBay has absolutely no rules against negotiating with your high bidder after an auction. — jm http://www.qsl.net/ke5fx Note: My E-mail address has been altered to avoid spam
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It’s nice to be certain, but sometimes it’s nicer to be right. If you go to this URL: http://pages.ebay.com/help/community/investigates.html#selling and look under "Fee avoidance", you’ll see a number of ways where it is against the rules to negotiate with your highest bidder after an auction. If you offer him merchandise that you don’t have listed on eBay, and you do it as part of your end of auction communications, you aren’t violating any rules. A lot of other activity which comes under the context of "negotiations after the auction" definitely violates the rules. Richard Ward – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – <snip eBay has absolutely no rules against negotiating with your high bidder after an auction. — jm http://www.qsl.net/ke5fx Note: My E-mail address has been altered to avoid spam
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It’s nice to be certain, but sometimes it’s nicer to be right. If you go to this URL: <snip
You’re right, I take my comment back. They appear to have covered the issue the original poster was asking about. Taken at face value, this prohibition: "Using member contact information obtained from eBay or using any eBay feature to offer to sell an item outside of eBay to any of your bidders in a Reserve Not Met listing." … would appear to rule out selling your item to the high bidder at the original reserve price (or any price, for that matter) after an auction ends with the reserve unmet. This is new. Originally, eBay’s policy was that the seller and buyer were not _obligated_ to complete a transaction in which the reserve was not met. Now, such a transaction appears to be _forbidden_. I hope eBay’s business model doesn’t depend too heavily on people actually obeying their increasingly-silly rules. If so, they’re headed for pets.com territory. — jm http://www.qsl.net/ke5fx Note: My E-mail address has been altered to avoid spam
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Suppose you put it on another "free" auction site, advise the other guy to go there and find it, and sell it to him that way? Whats wrong with that? I don’t think Ebay can, once you’ve listed an item, paid their fee, and no longer have a business relationship with them, prevent you from advertising it elsewhere.
| | It’s nice to be certain, but sometimes it’s nicer to be right. If you | go to this URL: | <snip | | You’re right, I take my comment back. They appear to have covered the | issue the original poster was asking about. Taken at face value, this | prohibition: | | "Using member contact information obtained from eBay or using any eBay | feature to offer to sell an item outside of eBay to any of your bidders | in a Reserve Not Met listing." | | … would appear to rule out selling your item to the high bidder at the | original reserve price (or any price, for that matter) after an auction | ends with the reserve unmet. | | This is new. Originally, eBay’s policy was that the seller and buyer | were not _obligated_ to complete a transaction in which the reserve was | not met. Now, such a transaction appears to be _forbidden_. | | I hope eBay’s business model doesn’t depend too heavily on people | actually obeying their increasingly-silly rules. If so, they’re headed | for pets.com territory. | | — jm | | http://www.qsl.net/ke5fx | Note: My E-mail address has been altered to avoid spam
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Incidentally, it would be interesting to see what the other auction site would do if Ebay tried to interfere in the sale on *their* site. That could get pretty interesting. Ebay could not prohibit you from just telling the potential buyer that you’re listing it on another competing auction site, and, were they to attempt to do so, could get into major legal trouble for that kind of activity.
| Suppose you put it on another "free" auction site, advise the other guy to go | there and find it, and sell it to him that way? Whats wrong with that? | I don’t think Ebay can, once you’ve listed an item, paid their fee, and no | longer have a business relationship with them, prevent you from advertising it | elsewhere. | | | |
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If you agree to it (and you do when you sign up with eBay) they can. This isn’t eBay enacting laws, this is two parties entering into an agreement. If you read the user agreement when you signed up, you know you agreed to all sorts of terms and conditions on your sales, and you also agreed to eBay being able to change their rules on thirty days notice. The particular rule you’re talking about came into being around Christmas sometime. As for your business relationship with eBay being over, if that’s true, you have no problem. Of course if you want to sell anything else on eBay then your business realtionship isn’t really over. This isn’t about being able to sell the item elsewhere, it’s about using the contacts generated by the eBay auction to sell the item elsewhere without paying the eBay fee. Richard Ward – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Suppose you put it on another "free" auction site, advise the other guy to go there and find it, and sell it to him that way? Whats wrong with that? I don’t think Ebay can, once you’ve listed an item, paid their fee, and no longer have a business relationship with them, prevent you from advertising it elsewhere. | | It’s nice to be certain, but sometimes it’s nicer to be right. If you | go to this URL: | <snip | | You’re right, I take my comment back. They appear to have covered the | issue the original poster was asking about. Taken at face value, this | prohibition: | | "Using member contact information obtained from eBay or using any eBay | feature to offer to sell an item outside of eBay to any of your bidders | in a Reserve Not Met listing." | | … would appear to rule out selling your item to the high bidder at the | original reserve price (or any price, for that matter) after an auction | ends with the reserve unmet. | | This is new. Originally, eBay’s policy was that the seller and buyer | were not _obligated_ to complete a transaction in which the reserve was | not met. Now, such a transaction appears to be _forbidden_. | | I hope eBay’s business model doesn’t depend too heavily on people | actually obeying their increasingly-silly rules. If so, they’re headed | for pets.com territory. | | — jm | | http://www.qsl.net/ke5fx | Note: My E-mail address has been altered to avoid spam
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