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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – First sentence of the "new" agreement: While using the Site, you will not: a.. post content or items in an inappropriate category or areas on the Site; Wow so this means they are going to finally get rid of people listing shipping tape & supplies in catagories besides business? yeah right! Just like people listing bowling towels in the bowling ball catagory. Wasn’t too long ago it was encouraged to list in different catagories which i do to get that "needle in a haystack" bidder to pay more than normal. Let me get back to see what else they CHANGED! In eBay’s earlier days they would move listings that were in incorrect categories to more appropriate ones. I suppose that became impractical as the number of listings grew into the millions. I wonder if they plan to do something about this problem now? It’s counter-productive for shoppers so I imagine eBay wants to do something about it (as opposed to something that hurts sellers, which eBay couldn’t care less about). I doubt they would cancel offending listings as refunding all those listing fees would impact their income. Maybe if they created a new, hodgepodge category and moved all the off-category stuff there? Then again, maybe they’ll do nothing at all about it, as usual.
I know but all i have been saying is if this is a "real" company their words/writing in the site or sometimes posted here in/there need to be more professional & accurate. It is like they are writing like 4th graders or like we do here. For a billion $ company thats a joke but again its probably the people in foreign places writing that stuff. I cant believe their bosses or dept. heads keep allowing it after all this time. Oh well.
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First sentence of the "new" agreement: While using the Site, you will not: a.. post content or items in an inappropriate category or areas on the Site;
The more I read, the more it looks like this was written by a summer intern. (You will not) "post false, inaccurate, misleading, defamatory, or libelous content (including personal information)… How can my name, address, height, weight, etc., be false, inaccurate, misleading, etc.? "fail to deliver items purchased from you, unless the buyer fails to meet the posted terms" OK, so all of a seller’s TOS is now enforceable? Uh-uh, not if one offers PayPal. eBay and PayPal REALLY need to make their UAs consistent with each other! "take any action that may undermine the feedback or ratings systems (such as displaying, importing or exporting feedback information off of the Site or for using it for purposes unrelated to eBay)" Aside from the appalling grammar of "or for using it for…," how does displaying or exporting feedback info off of the Site or using for purposes unrelated to eBay "undermine" the feedback system? WTF does "undermine" mean? "distribute viruses or any other technologies that may harm eBay, or the interests or property of eBay users" Well, there goes archery equipment; power tools; knives, scissors, and all other things that will putcher eye out; and a whole lot more. Christ, this thing sucks!
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Heres an example for you of 1 of the maybe million items in a catagory they are not suppose to be in according to the rules. It is a shipping tape dispenser gun in the golf catagory # 7200163544 .
Once again, you’re interpreting it based on what you personally are guessing about. I don’t think there’s a mention in any of the TOS about specifics "you can’t sell shipping tape in the golf category". You’re hunting for problems. You’ve got some kind of big chip on your shoulder or stick up your ass and you want eBay to be the fall guy. If eBay is such a ripoff trying to kill you then why not take your whining little childish ass someplace else. Craig
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The more I read, the more it looks like this was written by a summer intern. (You will not) "post false, inaccurate, misleading, defamatory, or libelous content (including personal information)… How can my name, address, height, weight, etc., be false, inaccurate, misleading, etc.?
You post your height and weight on eBay? Of course they don’t want you to post misleading or inaccurate information. They don’t want you to say you’re in Denver when you’re really in Jakarta. Jump off the gang bang wagon. Craig
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The more I read, the more it looks like this was written by a summer intern. (You will not) "post false, inaccurate, misleading, defamatory, or libelous content (including personal information)… How can my name, address, height, weight, etc., be false, inaccurate, misleading, etc.? You post your height and weight on eBay?
Actually, I was thinking of posting that Lumpy is a short, fat little fuck of about 4′ 11" and 320 pounds. Is that false, inaccurate, misleading, defamatory, or libelous? Of course they don’t want you to post misleading or inaccurate information. They don’t want you to say you’re in Denver when you’re really in Jakarta.
So we won’t see any more "item location: Sunny Florida" or "seller location: United States?" It will have to be a city/state? Country alone is not very accurate. Jump off the gang bang wagon.
But I like it up here with your Mom, Craig! 
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Actually, I was thinking of posting that Lumpy is a short, fat little fuck of about 4′ 11" and 320 pounds. Is that false, inaccurate, misleading, defamatory, or libelous?
Not sure. I’ve never seen a place on eBay where anything like that would be posted. Do you think that eBay should make their terms read "It is acceptable to post information that is false, inaccurate [etc]"? I was under the original impression that you wanted to entertain an intelligent arguement. I’ll switch to "I’m fucking your dead mother mode" if you prefer. Craig
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – First sentence of the "new" agreement: While using the Site, you will not: a.. post content or items in an inappropriate category or areas on the Site; Wow so this means they are going to finally get rid of people listing shipping tape & supplies in catagories besides business? yeah right! Just like people listing bowling towels in the bowling ball catagory. Wasn’t too long ago it was encouraged to list in different catagories which i do to get that "needle in a haystack" bidder to pay more than normal. Let me get back to see what else they CHANGED! In eBay’s earlier days they would move listings that were in incorrect categories to more appropriate ones. I suppose that became impractical as the number of listings grew into the millions. I wonder if they plan to do something about this problem now? It’s counter-productive for shoppers so I imagine eBay wants to do something about it (as opposed to something that hurts sellers, which eBay couldn’t care less about). I doubt they would cancel offending listings as refunding all those listing fees would impact their income. Maybe if they created a new, hodgepodge category and moved all the off-category stuff there? Then again, maybe they’ll do nothing at all about it, as usual.
That’s the method I prefer, actually. a
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I was under the original impression that you wanted to entertain an intelligent arguement. I’ll switch to "I’m fucking your dead mother mode" if you prefer.
Hey, I didn’t start with "the gang bang wagon!" Do you think that eBay should make their terms read "It is acceptable to post information that is false, inaccurate [etc]"?
No, I think eBay’s legal counsel should hit the Return key and type, "You may not publish another member’s personal information anywhere on the Site under any circumstances, or off the Site without the member’s expressed permission." But the moron just slipped "including personal information" parenthetically into a line where it doesn’t belong. Summer intern, non-English speaker, whatever… it’s sloppy shit like this that gets a lot of people in trouble. Now the UA LOOKS nice and short, but the real mangled meat of it is buried in all those linked policy files. Those are still fucked up.
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so if you think i have issues….then why does Ebay even have "policies"? In the beginning of the late 90’s as the site got big, rules were rules and all of the things that people found to beat the system on started to get hammered down. Now days with all of the complaints from Paypal to even Ebay raising the fees their policy is like buried under the BS. Why even have 1 then? If they can’t enforce them or properly display them then what good are they? This is suppose to be a BILLION $ company regardless of how much i make or sell or list. A very good percentage of the problems between the buyers & sellers results directly back to Ebay & the policy and lack there of. Rules are rules & if Ebay enforced them more like laws it would be better for all but it will never happen for the site makes BIG$$ off scammers & lack of policy enforcement. When they do enforce something many times errors are made against the seller for lack of knowledge or skills. Since your such an expert explain to us why they don’t & can’t do anything about it at this point? huh?
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Now the UA LOOKS nice and short, but the real mangled meat of it is buried in all those linked policy files. Those are still fucked up.
I haven’t even looked at yet. Did anybody / everybody get an email announcing it had changed? I thought I had opted for that. Another board noticed that it now claims eBay has the right to scoop deadbeat seller fees from a PayPal account. A
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – so if you think i have issues….then why does Ebay even have "policies"? In the beginning of the late 90’s as the site got big, rules were rules and all of the things that people found to beat the system on started to get hammered down. Now days with all of the complaints from Paypal to even Ebay raising the fees their policy is like buried under the BS. Why even have 1 then? If they can’t enforce them or properly display them then what good are they? This is suppose to be a BILLION $ company regardless of how much i make or sell or list. A very good percentage of the problems between the buyers & sellers results directly back to Ebay & the policy and lack there of. Rules are rules & if Ebay enforced them more like laws it would be better for all but it will never happen for the site makes BIG$$ off scammers & lack of policy enforcement. When they do enforce something many times errors are made against the seller for lack of knowledge or skills. Since your such an expert explain to us why they don’t & can’t do anything about it at this point? huh?
Why did you attribute that paragraph to me? I didn’t write it. I think you should hire some high school kids at min wage to proofread your posts. Craig
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – First sentence of the "new" agreement: While using the Site, you will not: a.. post content or items in an inappropriate category or areas on the Site; Wow so this means they are going to finally get rid of people listing shipping tape & supplies in catagories besides business? You are confusing what the UA says with what eBay will do This is already against the current UA, isn’t it? yes but the wording is different and as an update is substantial in placing it first sentence and using the words they did. Look at the security section where it says: " Therefore, although we work very hard to protect your privacy, we do not promise, and you should not expect, that your personal information or private communications will always remain private. What a great choice of words. I dont remember seeing words like this before.
Translation: The fact that we didn’t fuck you up the ass yesterday by accident or otherwise does not mean that we won’t fuck you over tomorrow either by accident or on purpose. As our customer we own your ass you stupid dipshit. We have the power. Our lawyers are bigger than your lawyers. The fact that you may not like this new TOS clause and close your account will not in any way protect your privacy with respect to any of the private information about you already in our files. Live with it. ron
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First sentence of the "new" agreement: While using the Site, you will not: a.. post content or items in an inappropriate category or areas on the Site; Wow so this means they are going to finally get rid of people listing shipping tape & supplies in catagories besides business? yeah right! Just like people listing bowling towels in the bowling ball catagory. Wasn’t too long ago it was encouraged to list in different catagories which i do to get that "needle in a haystack" bidder to pay more than normal. Let me get back to see what else they CHANGED!
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First sentence of the "new" agreement: While using the Site, you will not: a.. post content or items in an inappropriate category or areas on the Site; Wow so this means they are going to finally get rid of people listing shipping tape & supplies in catagories besides business?
You are confusing what the UA says with what eBay will do This is already against the current UA, isn’t it?
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First sentence of the "new" agreement: While using the Site, you will not: a.. post content or items in an inappropriate category or areas on the Site; Wow so this means they are going to finally get rid of people listing shipping tape & supplies in catagories besides business? yeah right!
Not sure how you’re getting anything about shipping tape out of that. I think a big, expensive class action suit is what you need. You’ll feel better after you get your 72 cents, six years from now. Craig
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First sentence of the "new" agreement: While using the Site, you will not: a.. post content or items in an inappropriate category or areas on the Site; Wow so this means they are going to finally get rid of people listing shipping tape & supplies in catagories besides business? You are confusing what the UA says with what eBay will do This is already against the current UA, isn’t it?
yes but the wording is different and as an update is substantial in placing it first sentence and using the words they did. Look at the security section where it says: " Therefore, although we work very hard to protect your privacy, we do not promise, and you should not expect, that your personal information or private communications will always remain private. What a great choice of words. I dont remember seeing words like this before.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – First sentence of the "new" agreement: While using the Site, you will not: a.. post content or items in an inappropriate category or areas on the Site; Wow so this means they are going to finally get rid of people listing shipping tape & supplies in catagories besides business? yeah right! Not sure how you’re getting anything about shipping tape out of that. I think a big, expensive class action suit is what you need. You’ll feel better after you get your 72 cents, six years from now.
Heres an example for you of 1 of the maybe million items in a catagory they are not suppose to be in according to the rules. It is a shipping tape dispenser gun in the golf catagory # 7200163544 .
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First sentence of the "new" agreement: While using the Site, you will not: a.. post content or items in an inappropriate category or areas on the Site; Wow so this means they are going to finally get rid of people listing shipping tape & supplies in catagories besides business? yeah right! Just like people listing bowling towels in the bowling ball catagory. Wasn’t too long ago it was encouraged to list in different catagories which i do to get that "needle in a haystack" bidder to pay more than normal. Let me get back to see what else they CHANGED!
In eBay’s earlier days they would move listings that were in incorrect categories to more appropriate ones. I suppose that became impractical as the number of listings grew into the millions. I wonder if they plan to do something about this problem now? It’s counter-productive for shoppers so I imagine eBay wants to do something about it (as opposed to something that hurts sellers, which eBay couldn’t care less about). I doubt they would cancel offending listings as refunding all those listing fees would impact their income. Maybe if they created a new, hodgepodge category and moved all the off-category stuff there? Then again, maybe they’ll do nothing at all about it, as usual. Ed
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