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Not a registered user, eBay’s term for somebody who has had their account suspended. Richard Ward – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What is NARU’d? Hey there, Deadbeat bidders…. We’ve all had them. Negative feedback is close to worthless. You post a neg, they retaliate. We need something a bit more harsh…. I’m tired of dealing with dumb asses. Let the suggestions begin. You could start by remembering to fill out your Final Value Fee Credit form, 10 days after filing the Non Paying Bidder Alert form. I say this because I don’t think all the sellers realize that the FVF form, and not the NPB form, is the one that actually counts as "strikes" against the deadbeat’s account that may eventually lead to their account getting NARU’d. I know this because I just filled out a FVF form for somebody who had five negative feedbacks (all for non-payment or bounced checks) within the past month. After completing my FVF, I noticed that he was still not NARU’d! That indicates to me that some folks out there are forgetting to fill out the FVF form. Leaving negative feedback is fine, but (as in this case) if they have high feedback, then the quickest way to get them NARU’d is through the FVF. Before you buy.
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Personally, I favor use of the guillotine for non-paying bidders. {g} A lot of sellers probably don’t realize they can file the NPB or the FVF. Ebay doesn’t make a point of advertising it, which I suspect is no accident. If more sellers knew about them, Ebay would have to refund more money. Several times I’ve seen buyers with enough non-paying negs. that they should have been NARUed. The only thing I can come up with is the sellers must not have filed that FVF.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey there, Deadbeat bidders…. We’ve all had them. Negative feedback is close to worthless. You post a neg, they retaliate. We need something a bit more harsh…. I’m tired of dealing with dumb asses. Let the suggestions begin. You could start by remembering to fill out your Final Value Fee Credit form, 10 days after filing the Non Paying Bidder Alert form. I say this because I don’t think all the sellers realize that the FVF form, and not the NPB form, is the one that actually counts as "strikes" against the deadbeat’s account that may eventually lead to their account getting NARU’d. I know this because I just filled out a FVF form for somebody who had five negative feedbacks (all for non-payment or bounced checks) within the past month. After completing my FVF, I noticed that he was still not NARU’d! That indicates to me that some folks out there are forgetting to fill out the FVF form. Leaving negative feedback is fine, but (as in this case) if they have high feedback, then the quickest way to get them NARU’d is through the FVF. Before you buy.
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Actually you are out! You are out a listing fee, you are out a FVF and most of all you are out a sale, most of my auctions start at $.01 so if someone does not pay for an item it means that I COULD have sold that item to the second highest bidder if not for the deadbeat. I use a local legal service who does go after non-paying bidders, I don’t bother with $5 or $10 but anything over $50 goes to collections… and people pay 
Even if they don’t it goes on their credit record and like I said, you get the satisfaction of knowing that they will pay more for a loan etc. — David Saad Muzo Mine Emerald Co. Click here to search our auctions: http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/davesaad/
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Technically, they are breaking a binding contract… Im curious if there are any collection agencies that are willing to persue ebay bids… <hmm business idea tbc video scott True, they are breaking a contract. However, unless the seller ships without payment, there’s nothing due. IOW, there’s no actual loss to the seller (other than eBay fees, most of which can be recovered)(time lost will be hard to pursue). EBay’s remedies are pretty much limited to kicking them off eBay, unless eBay *really* wants to up the game a notch. The costs to eBay for doing this would be immense, and fees would need to be raised as a result. Idea: keep a "black list", without posting it in a public forum. Well, if they do it multiple times, and people bother to file for FVF credit they get kicked off. What more do you want, to have them hung, drawn and quartered? The simple fact of live is that all eBay can really do is kick people off if they don’t pay their bills, and they do that now. The only thing that would really help is for eBay to require some sort of address verification so that the deadbeats would have a harder time signing up again under a new account. Richard Ward Hey there, Deadbeat bidders…. We’ve all had them. Negative feedback is close to worthless. You post a neg, they retaliate. We need something a bit more harsh…. I’m tired of dealing with dumb asses. Let the suggestions begin. Thanks. THIS IS A SIG LINE: And, no, I *can’t* type worth a darm.
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I suggested to Ebay that they have an automatic indication added to someone record every time they were reported for nonpayment. This should be listed on the scorecard, the same as bid retractions are. This is a MUCH more serious offense, and there is no way to indicate it other than a negative. Maybe a negative should be given automatically after a month goes by, every time a non payment report is filed, with no way to retaliate after it’s given. I wish Ebay would make payments automatic. They bid, they win, and it comes right out of their credit card, or whatever form of payment Ebay is using to collect payment. If e-Bay doesn’t want to get involved, let them work out something with a third party payment system! Much easier for everyone!!!
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I find that after I post a negative feedback, on the few occasions I have had to do so, I get several emails from other "victims" who have not left any feedback. I always encourage them to leave feedback, if it is a seller, and if it is a deadbeat buyer to file a NPB and FVF. I even put the links in the email to encourage them to help NARU the deadbeat. Like someone else said, people are afraid to even leave feedback, but they become much braver when they feel that they are part of a group.
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The whole NPB and FVF takes time on our part to do.. If it were easier to do or incorporated to the feedback section it would help us more. EX: 1) NPB is automatic when placing a neg. due to none payment. Neg is then stored in memory but not posted for 7 days 2) NPB and neg. (pending) is then sent to the client via email. 3) If by 7 working days the seller does not cancel the neg. it will submited to feedback and a FVF is issued. In other words.. One step for thje seller does it all.. Ebay should also set up a tab in the "myebay" page for neg pendings. Sounds like the way to go… :c) What you all think? Frank
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well, if they do it multiple times, and people bother to file for FVF credit they get kicked off. What more do you want, to have them hung, drawn and quartered? The simple fact of live is that all eBay can really do is kick people off if they don’t pay their bills, and they do that now. The only thing that would really help is for eBay to require some sort of address verification so that the deadbeats would have a harder time signing up again under a new account. Richard Ward Hey there, Deadbeat bidders…. We’ve all had them. Negative feedback is close to worthless. You post a neg, they retaliate. We need something a bit more harsh…. I’m tired of dealing with dumb asses. Let the suggestions begin. Thanks.
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Hey there, Deadbeat bidders…. We’ve all had them. Negative feedback is close to worthless. You post a neg, they retaliate. We need something a bit more harsh…. I’m tired of dealing with dumb asses. Let the suggestions begin. Thanks.
Silvertips. THIS IS A SIG LINE: And, no, I *can’t* type worth a darm.
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Technically, they are breaking a binding contract… Im curious if there are any collection agencies that are willing to persue ebay bids… <hmm business idea tbc video scott
True, they are breaking a contract. However, unless the seller ships without payment, there’s nothing due. IOW, there’s no actual loss to the seller (other than eBay fees, most of which can be recovered)(time lost will be hard to pursue). EBay’s remedies are pretty much limited to kicking them off eBay, unless eBay *really* wants to up the game a notch. The costs to eBay for doing this would be immense, and fees would need to be raised as a result. Idea: keep a "black list", without posting it in a public forum. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well, if they do it multiple times, and people bother to file for FVF credit they get kicked off. What more do you want, to have them hung, drawn and quartered? The simple fact of live is that all eBay can really do is kick people off if they don’t pay their bills, and they do that now. The only thing that would really help is for eBay to require some sort of address verification so that the deadbeats would have a harder time signing up again under a new account. Richard Ward Hey there, Deadbeat bidders…. We’ve all had them. Negative feedback is close to worthless. You post a neg, they retaliate. We need something a bit more harsh…. I’m tired of dealing with dumb asses. Let the suggestions begin. Thanks.
THIS IS A SIG LINE: And, no, I *can’t* type worth a darm.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The whole NPB and FVF takes time on our part to do.. If it were easier to do or incorporated to the feedback section it would help us more. EX: 1) NPB is automatic when placing a neg. due to none payment. Neg is then stored in memory but not posted for 7 days 2) NPB and neg. (pending) is then sent to the client via email. 3) If by 7 working days the seller does not cancel the neg. it will submited to feedback and a FVF is issued. In other words.. One step for thje seller does it all.. Ebay should also set up a tab in the "myebay" page for neg pendings. Sounds like the way to go… :c) What you all think?
Automating it has one slight problem – what if you received payment during that seven-day grace period, but – for whatever reason – you’re not able to access your ebay account during that period to cancel the process? Ebay has just reimbursed a fee that it shouldn’t have, and the buyer is likely to take the auto-neg very personally and retaliate. Overall, it’s a worthwhile idea (anything to save me time is good…). Maybe the FVF and negative feedback could be semi-automated… in other words, ebay sends you an email that links to a webpage at which point you can just hit a button — but the point is that it couldn’t just take this measures without some authorization from you. Before you buy.
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Deadbeat bidders….
Let’s not forget about the deadbeat or lousy sellers. I’m a seller first, and buy just once in a while. I can’t believe how many sellers do not contact the buyer, do not leave feedback after a quick payment (or ever), ship whenever the hell they want to…. etc. I’ve not been "stiffed" by a seller yet, but I don’t see the tools that are similar to the FVF in the case of a buyer getting ripped off. I give good customer service (127 positive with NO neutrals or negs. (yet), and I expect the same. But more and more, I find it uncomfortable to buy from some of these slacker sellers… and HIGH feedback ratings don’t guarantee anything. Sorry for the slight topic change, but it seemed to fit the conversation. –UB Before you buy.
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There is another option… Small Claims Court. Renee Roberts – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well, if they do it multiple times, and people bother to file for FVF credit they get kicked off. What more do you want, to have them hung, drawn and quartered? The simple fact of live is that all eBay can really do is kick people off if they don’t pay their bills, and they do that now. The only thing that would really help is for eBay to require some sort of address verification so that the deadbeats would have a harder time signing up again under a new account. Richard Ward Hey there, Deadbeat bidders…. We’ve all had them. Negative feedback is close to worthless. You post a neg, they retaliate. We need something a bit more harsh…. I’m tired of dealing with dumb asses. Let the suggestions begin. Thanks.
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Nerdy Accronymns Really Undermind the Dumb (not a registered user)
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What is NARU’d? Hey there, Deadbeat bidders…. We’ve all had them. Negative feedback is close to worthless. You post a neg, they retaliate. We need something a bit more harsh…. I’m tired of dealing with dumb asses. Let the suggestions begin. You could start by remembering to fill out your Final Value Fee Credit form, 10 days after filing the Non Paying Bidder Alert form. I say this because I don’t think all the sellers realize that the FVF form, and not the NPB form, is the one that actually counts as "strikes" against the deadbeat’s account that may eventually lead to their account getting NARU’d. I know this because I just filled out a FVF form for somebody who had five negative feedbacks (all for non-payment or bounced checks) within the past month. After completing my FVF, I noticed that he was still not NARU’d! That indicates to me that some folks out there are forgetting to fill out the FVF form. Leaving negative feedback is fine, but (as in this case) if they have high feedback, then the quickest way to get them NARU’d is through the FVF. Before you buy.
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What is NARU’d?
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey there, Deadbeat bidders…. We’ve all had them. Negative feedback is close to worthless. You post a neg, they retaliate. We need something a bit more harsh…. I’m tired of dealing with dumb asses. Let the suggestions begin. You could start by remembering to fill out your Final Value Fee Credit form, 10 days after filing the Non Paying Bidder Alert form. I say this because I don’t think all the sellers realize that the FVF form, and not the NPB form, is the one that actually counts as "strikes" against the deadbeat’s account that may eventually lead to their account getting NARU’d. I know this because I just filled out a FVF form for somebody who had five negative feedbacks (all for non-payment or bounced checks) within the past month. After completing my FVF, I noticed that he was still not NARU’d! That indicates to me that some folks out there are forgetting to fill out the FVF form. Leaving negative feedback is fine, but (as in this case) if they have high feedback, then the quickest way to get them NARU’d is through the FVF. Before you buy.
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I have a collections agency go after my deadbeat bidders, most still don’t pay but at least you know when they go for that next car loan they will pay an increased rate because they never sent you your payment….. feels good — David Saad Muzo Mine Emerald Co. Click here to search our auctions: http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/davesaad/
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey there, Deadbeat bidders…. We’ve all had them. Negative feedback is close to worthless. You post a neg, they retaliate. We need something a bit more harsh…. I’m tired of dealing with dumb asses. Let the suggestions begin. Thanks. Cousin Vinnie and His Baseball Bat might do. — friend, I am: Howard Lute eBay Rating: 740 He: Electronics Instructor, Terrible Mechanic, Worse Plumber! She: Patient LPFM Site: http://pw1.netcom.com/~optcamel/fmradio.htm Try this site BEFORE you buy –http://www.epinions.com
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The problem with Ebay is that they make you jump through so many hoops to get the refund you rightfully deserve that most sellers who get stiffed don’t do it. This particular monkey belongs on Ebays back. Requiring credit card verification, as every other auction service does, would stop the abuse.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well, if they do it multiple times, and people bother to file for FVF credit they get kicked off. What more do you want, to have them hung, drawn and quartered? The simple fact of live is that all eBay can really do is kick people off if they don’t pay their bills, and they do that now. The only thing that would really help is for eBay to require some sort of address verification so that the deadbeats would have a harder time signing up again under a new account. Richard Ward Hey there, Deadbeat bidders…. We’ve all had them. Negative feedback is close to worthless. You post a neg, they retaliate. We need something a bit more harsh…. I’m tired of dealing with dumb asses. Let the suggestions begin. Thanks.
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I think you are right about that. Once, I had a NPB, this person never responded to emails, phone contact resulted in a dead number, etc… eBay did not have the NPB form and FVF then (or I didn’t know about them) so I felt my only recourse was to leave a negative. Which I did. Shortly after that, I had another seller contact me and ask me if she thought she should leave a negative as she’d been stiffed by this bidder as well. I said yes, because it was the only way to let people know. So then she did. Shortly thereafter, this bidder had 4 negatives (looked like two other sellers followed our lead) and no positive feedback and was NARU’d. I think the other sellers out there wanted to, but were afraid until they’d seen someone else step up and DO it. Then they followed suit. So yeah, group action is a good thing. No retaliation feedbacks either. It was probably some kid. Cynthia
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I just watched my reply (intended to be public) zip into your mailbox. My apologies. I’ve given a few negs, but I’ve used a method that (so far) prevents retaliation: I find out if others are having the same problem! All but one of my deadbeats has done the same thing to others. All I say in my initial email is something like "I see that so-and-so recently won one of your auctions. Have you had any problems contacting them? I’m hoping that you’re having better luck than I am." So….then what? When I get the replies (and it’s almost 100% who are unhappy), I just tell them that they might consider filing an NPB (and the subsequent FVF if nothing happens). I find that a lot of people are very hesitant to file NPBs, FVFs and negatives — but if they feel that they’re part of a group of some sort, they do it. I’ve seen several NARUs result from this. And not one retaliation. I’m very careful to make it plain that I’m NOT trying to cause trouble for a bidder, that someone may have happened, etc, etc. In the ONE case where no one else had been "stiffed", I filed the NPB, eBay sent the email, and I got an apologetic email AND payment within three days. Kris Hey there, Deadbeat bidders…. We’ve all had them. Negative feedback is close to worthless. You post a neg, they retaliate. We need something a bit more harsh…. I’m tired of dealing with dumb asses. Let the suggestions begin. Thanks.
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Sure that would do.. No auctomatic would work as long as it was simple to submit or to change it if need be, right? Frank
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The whole NPB and FVF takes time on our part to do.. If it were easier to do or incorporated to the feedback section it would help us more. EX: 1) NPB is automatic when placing a neg. due to none payment. Neg is then stored in memory but not posted for 7 days 2) NPB and neg. (pending) is then sent to the client via email. 3) If by 7 working days the seller does not cancel the neg. it will submited to feedback and a FVF is issued. In other words.. One step for thje seller does it all.. Ebay should also set up a tab in the "myebay" page for neg pendings. Sounds like the way to go… :c) What you all think? Automating it has one slight problem – what if you received payment during that seven-day grace period, but – for whatever reason – you’re not able to access your ebay account during that period to cancel the process? Ebay has just reimbursed a fee that it shouldn’t have, and the buyer is likely to take the auto-neg very personally and retaliate. Overall, it’s a worthwhile idea (anything to save me time is good…). Maybe the FVF and negative feedback could be semi-automated… in other words, ebay sends you an email that links to a webpage at which point you can just hit a button — but the point is that it couldn’t just take this measures without some authorization from you. Before you buy.
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I just watched my reply (intended to be public) zip into your mailbox. My apologies. I’ve given a few negs, but I’ve used a method that (so far) prevents retaliation: I find out if others are having the same problem! All but one of my deadbeats has done the same thing to others. All I say in my initial email is something like "I see that so-and-so recently won one of your auctions. Have you had any problems contacting them? I’m hoping that you’re having better luck than I am." So….then what? When I get the replies (and it’s almost 100% who are unhappy), I just tell them that they might consider filing an NPB (and the subsequent FVF if nothing happens). I find that a lot of people are very hesitant to file NPBs, FVFs and negatives — but if they feel that they’re part of a group of some sort, they do it. I’ve seen several NARUs result from this. And not one retaliation. I’m very careful to make it plain that I’m NOT trying to cause trouble for a bidder, that someone may have happened, etc, etc. In the ONE case where no one else had been "stiffed", I filed the NPB, eBay sent the email, and I got an apologetic email AND payment within three days. Kris
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Hey there, Deadbeat bidders…. We’ve all had them. Negative feedback is close to worthless. You post a neg, they retaliate. We need something a bit more harsh…. I’m tired of dealing with dumb asses. Let the suggestions begin. Thanks.
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It’s going to have to be pretty damn small claims. You have your item, you can get your FVF fee relisted, unless the item dropped in price substantially between the first sale and when you subsequently relisted it (you will often have a duty to mitigate damages by reselling the item), your damages are going to be minimal, just the listing fee and any claim you can make for the time value of the money. Ever tried going to small claims court for $1.50 owed? Add on the fact that the buyer will probably be out of state, and out of the jurisdiction of the small claims court? Small claims court may be an option, but it isn’t one that would be likely to give you too much satisfaction. Richard Ward – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There is another option… Small Claims Court. Renee Roberts Well, if they do it multiple times, and people bother to file for FVF credit they get kicked off. What more do you want, to have them hung, drawn and quartered? The simple fact of live is that all eBay can really do is kick people off if they don’t pay their bills, and they do that now. The only thing that would really help is for eBay to require some sort of address verification so that the deadbeats would have a harder time signing up again under a new account. Richard Ward Hey there, Deadbeat bidders…. We’ve all had them. Negative feedback is close to worthless. You post a neg, they retaliate. We need something a bit more harsh…. I’m tired of dealing with dumb asses. Let the suggestions begin. Thanks.
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You know, I’ve been as frustrated as anyone by deadbeat bidders. It’s especially frustrating when the auction ends and you’re all excited because of the price you got on your item, you’re ready for that money, ready to ship the goods… A real letdown when you then hear *nothing* from the bidder. Have to file NPB 7 days after you hear nothing. Then wait another 10 before you can file the FVF. But at least they can get kicked off of ebay as a penalty for FVFs, if sellers remember to file them. AND you still have your goods and can re-sell (though it’s a hassle, no disputing that.) My big problem is with sellers you send a money order to, then twiddle your thumbs for a month, waiting for the item and never receive it. Yes, you can leave negative feedback, but there’s *nothing* else you can do. They don’t get kicked off. That’s who we need a worse penalty for, imo. While deadbeat bidders are a huge hassle and extremely irritating, other than the listing fee, nobody’s out money. You still have your item. It’s the deadbeat sellers who are the real scammers. Jodie
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Hey there, Deadbeat bidders…. We’ve all had them. Negative feedback is close to worthless. You post a neg, they retaliate. We need something a bit more harsh…. I’m tired of dealing with dumb asses. Let the suggestions begin. Thanks.
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Well, if they do it multiple times, and people bother to file for FVF credit they get kicked off. What more do you want, to have them hung, drawn and quartered? The simple fact of live is that all eBay can really do is kick people off if they don’t pay their bills, and they do that now. The only thing that would really help is for eBay to require some sort of address verification so that the deadbeats would have a harder time signing up again under a new account. Richard Ward – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey there, Deadbeat bidders…. We’ve all had them. Negative feedback is close to worthless. You post a neg, they retaliate. We need something a bit more harsh…. I’m tired of dealing with dumb asses. Let the suggestions begin. Thanks.
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Hey there, Deadbeat bidders…. We’ve all had them. Negative feedback is close to worthless. You post a neg, they retaliate. We need something a bit more harsh…. I’m tired of dealing with dumb asses. Let the suggestions begin.
You could start by remembering to fill out your Final Value Fee Credit form, 10 days after filing the Non Paying Bidder Alert form. I say this because I don’t think all the sellers realize that the FVF form, and not the NPB form, is the one that actually counts as "strikes" against the deadbeat’s account that may eventually lead to their account getting NARU’d. I know this because I just filled out a FVF form for somebody who had five negative feedbacks (all for non-payment or bounced checks) within the past month. After completing my FVF, I noticed that he was still not NARU’d! That indicates to me that some folks out there are forgetting to fill out the FVF form. Leaving negative feedback is fine, but (as in this case) if they have high feedback, then the quickest way to get them NARU’d is through the FVF. Before you buy.
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Hey there, Deadbeat bidders…. We’ve all had them. Negative feedback is close to worthless. You post a neg, they retaliate. We need something a bit more harsh…. I’m tired of dealing with dumb asses. Let the suggestions begin. Thanks.
Cousin Vinnie and His Baseball Bat might do. — friend, I am: Howard Lute eBay Rating: 740 He: Electronics Instructor, Terrible Mechanic, Worse Plumber! She: Patient LPFM Site: http://pw1.netcom.com/~optcamel/fmradio.htm Try this site BEFORE you buy –http://www.epinions.com
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Technically, they are breaking a binding contract… Im curious if there are any collection agencies that are willing to persue ebay bids… <hmm business idea tbc video scott
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well, if they do it multiple times, and people bother to file for FVF credit they get kicked off. What more do you want, to have them hung, drawn and quartered? The simple fact of live is that all eBay can really do is kick people off if they don’t pay their bills, and they do that now. The only thing that would really help is for eBay to require some sort of address verification so that the deadbeats would have a harder time signing up again under a new account. Richard Ward Hey there, Deadbeat bidders…. We’ve all had them. Negative feedback is close to worthless. You post a neg, they retaliate. We need something a bit more harsh…. I’m tired of dealing with dumb asses. Let the suggestions begin. Thanks.
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