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but the rest is going a bit too far as others have stated. Bob This is beginning to resemble performance art. Kris
Na, Arnold as governor of Kali-foh-nia is performance art. In some movie w/ stallone and sandra bullock they made reference to arnold as the president of the US, but only after he was the governor of california… now that’s performance art. hehehe
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but the rest is going a bit too far as others have stated. Bob
This is beginning to resemble performance art. Kris
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Exactly how has he scammed you ?, i could understand if the guy had taken your money and you hadnt recieved the car, however thats not the case He scammed me by refusing to honor his eBay agreement to sell the car in exactly the same way that a buyer would be scamming someone by refusing to pay for an auction.
Ive counted at least 5 ebay rules youve broken in your posts and comments so your no better that the seller by not honouring ebays rules that you agreed to abide by upon signing up with ebay! what exactly makes you different from the seller?
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It’s unfortunate about your deal, but your post-auction actions are just getting you in deeper. First rule of holes: when you find yourself in one, stop digging.
Well …appreciate your opinion but the whole deal seems like a scam to me, Bob. This guy either was trying to sell a vehicle with a blown head gasket or he ended up selling it to someone else at a higher price instead. I just find it incredulous that the head gasket choose to blow 8pm at night while I’m on a bus to see this guy and just three hours after I was assured that the vehicle was in great running condition. Either way this guy is pulling an eBay scam and I feel the need to tell others about his sales practices so they know what they may be getting into as well. I also filed complaints with the local BBB, square trade, ebay and the Internet Consumer Fraud Center. This guy isn’t just a private seller….he’s a car dealer (or so his website claims) … and he’s expected to adhere to certain standards. I also found evidence to indicate that he may be shilling bids in conjunction with another eBay identity of his and filed a complaint on that matter with eBay as well. Both identities use nearly identical ad copy in certain sections and both use the same bogus centered-paragraph style …etc…. Both have email contact addresses for someone named "kevin" One last thing …. on this guys website page at http://www.european-jules.com/customerlounge.html he announces a free give-away of a $225 gift certificate for being their "VIP" customer…..the winner was Julie Young. Julie Young turns out to be his business partner and girlfriend…..what a dope!
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It’s unfortunate about your deal, but your post-auction actions are just getting you in deeper. First rule of holes: when you find yourself in one, stop digging. Well …appreciate your opinion but the whole deal seems like a scam to me, Bob. This guy either was trying to sell a vehicle with a blown head gasket or he ended up selling it to someone else at a higher price instead.
Exactly how has he scammed you ?, i could understand if the guy had taken your money and you hadnt recieved the car, however thats not the case
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… appreciate your opinion but the whole deal seems like a scam to me, Bob.
Could well be, but you’ve taken some actions that can make you the "eBay bad guy". Another tip. If you need to reference a huge narrative in feedback, it may be acceptable to say: "see my About-Me page for details", or perhaps with even less risk, just a "see my About-Me page". And then have the A-M page reference an off-eBay page with the details, and don’t include Private info in the narrative. I haven’t needed to do that yet, so rely more heavily on the experience of those who have. And assume that most readers won’t bother to check the litany, and that letting it go with a simpler FB statement may serve you more effectively. — Regards, PO Box 248 Bob Niland Enterprise which, due to spam, is: 67441-0248 email4rjn AT yahoo DOT com http://www.access-one.com/rjn Unless otherwise specifically stated, expressing personal opinions and NOT speaking for any employer, client or Internet Service Provider.
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Exactly how has he scammed you ?, i could understand if the guy had taken your money and you hadnt recieved the car, however thats not the case
He scammed me by refusing to honor his eBay agreement to sell the car in exactly the same way that a buyer would be scamming someone by refusing to pay for an auction. Now one could believe the sellers ridiculous excuse that the car "broke" just three hours after he informed me that it was in fine shape…. but what are the odds of that really? Personally, I think the seller’s excuse is rather lame. I offered to continue the bus ride to the seller’s location and get the vehicle fixed there and we would make an adjustment to the sale price. Mr. Petrosian refused this offer. The seller seemed to be confused about whether the vehicle had suffered a blown head gasket or a massive radiator leak. Based on the seller’s good faith promise to sell his vehicle and my commitment to purchase it, I spent over $150 to get to his location….and the seller refused to sell! Very bogus 
It’s people like this that, in my opinion, give eBayers bad names
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It’s unfortunate about your deal, but your post-auction actions are just getting you in deeper. First rule of holes: when you find yourself in one, stop digging. Well …appreciate your opinion but the whole deal seems like a scam to me, Bob. This guy either was trying to sell a vehicle with a blown head gasket or he ended up selling it to someone else at a higher price instead. Exactly how has he scammed you ?, i could understand if the guy had taken your money and you hadnt recieved the car, however thats not the case
Not only that, but aren’t eBay Motors and real estate auctions considered "nonbinding" by eBay? Kris
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Could well be, but you’ve taken some actions that can make you the "eBay bad guy". Another tip. If you need to reference a huge narrative in feedback, it may be acceptable to say: "see my About-Me page for details", or perhaps with even less risk, just a "see my About-Me page". And then have the A-M page reference an off-eBay page with the details, and don’t include Private info in the narrative. I haven’t needed to do that yet, so rely more heavily on the experience of those who have. And assume that most readers won’t bother to check the litany, and that letting it go with a simpler FB statement may serve you more effectively.
Bob, these are all good tips I believe and I will remember them in the future. . FWIW I did not reveal any of the info that I obtained from eBay but rather gathered the info from a reverse search on Mr. Petrosian’s domain www.european-jules.com
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Not only that, but aren’t eBay Motors and real estate auctions considered "nonbinding" by eBay?
Nope. eBay considers them as "binding" as any of it’s other auctions, Kris
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<snipped the entire stupidity This does sound like a scam, but the way you go about telling everyone breaks a bunch of rules and puts your head on the chopping block if the seller found out. If you only lost the $$ for the travel expenses, and over time that’s all you loose without being taken to court, consider yourself lucky and learn your lesson. If its too good to be true, it probably is. You get what you pay for, so move on and just hope that you don’t get in trouble for breaking the rules.
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This does sound like a scam, but the way you go about telling everyone breaks a bunch of rules and puts your head on the chopping block if the seller found out
We’ll have to agree to disagree about my breaking any rules. People need to be aware of bad business people and bad eBayers. Mr. Petrosian hides behind the name of Julie Young, alledgedly his girlfriend, for all his eBay contact info. Whydo you think that is? In any case my guess is that Mr. Petrosian will soon need another lady’s name to front his bad eBay business because I think there’s a good chance his user account will be closed. Time will tell 
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What are the odds that Kevin Petrosian and Julie Young sold the vehicle to someone else who paid more instead? BTW Kevin’s story alternated between a blown head gasket and a severe radiator leak …. and he just emailed me saying that he had sold the vehicle to someone else…guess they didn’t mind the "blown head gasket"?.
Diane, A bad radiator leak, such as a blown hose, and a blown head gasket can show very similar intial symptoms (massive loss of cooltant). A mechanic could have purchased the vehicle to repair and resell it. I think you certainly have a right to be suspicious, but really don’t have the hard facts to back up those suspicions. If you had waited a few more days, he may have sent you the reimbursement once he sold the vehicle. Absolutely nothing wrong with leaving neg FB, but the rest is going a bit too far as others have stated. Bob
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FWIW I did not reveal any of the info that I obtained from eBay but rather gathered the info from a reverse search on <snip’s domain …
I noticed that, but here’s What It’s Worth: if a lot of a.m.o.e. readers thought you had revealed PI, then the seller will likely assume so also, and will certainly construe it that way in any complaint. Auction# and/or UserID (both non-private per eBay) is more than we need here for purposes of discussion. Individuals who feel that they need more info can find it easily enough. For example… Another eBay’er who recently popped up here thinks they’re anonymous, but because they merely mentioned two terms describing the problem auction, it was trivially easy to find it, and them, and the other party. When you provide real names, you take the fun out of it — Regards, PO Box 248 Bob Niland Enterprise which, due to spam, is: 67441-0248 email4rjn AT yahoo DOT com http://www.access-one.com/rjn Unless otherwise specifically stated, expressing personal opinions and NOT speaking for any employer, client or Internet Service Provider.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This does sound like a scam, but the way you go about telling everyone breaks a bunch of rules and puts your head on the chopping block if the seller found out We’ll have to agree to disagree about my breaking any rules. People need to be aware of bad business people and bad eBayers. Mr. Petrosian hides behind the name of Julie Young, alledgedly his girlfriend, for all his eBay contact info. Whydo you think that is? In any case my guess is that Mr. Petrosian will soon need another lady’s name to front his bad eBay business because I think there’s a good chance his user account will be closed. Time will tell
But you see you had the upper hand until you posted all that stuff. I mean think of it this way, if someone posted all your contact info on the web or in a newsgroup, valid or not, you’d be pissed. So if you did sue this guy for fraud, just hope he never gets wind of this otherwise it could make things a lot harder. I agree that it sounds and most likely is a scam, but if you hadn’t paid him yet for the vehicle, be thankful. Yeah that’s a deal for that price, but maybe that was higher powers saying no don’t buy this car, there’s a better deal with something more reliable out there closer to you. ::shrugs:: AND, with his "glowing" feedback, I’m sure he’ll have a difficult time selling in the future as well. I sure wouldn’t buy from a guy with feedback like that, new seller or not. So if anything just realize you’ve probably already put a significant dent in his selling or scamming capabilities with that account.
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Bad eBayers are everywhere aren’t they? Here is my experience with <snip
You have just put your eBay account at risk of being suspended for breaking the rules. Revealing contact info about another person is a SURE FIRE way to get booted from eBay! If this person complains (and they WILL find out about it!) – SAY BYE-BYE to eBay!
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Bad eBayers are everywhere aren’t they? Here is my experience with www.european-jules.com which is the first bad eBay experience i have had in three years…. guess I’m lucky Monday October 6 2003 12:30 am Yeah! Won an eBay auction for a 1988 Plymouth Voyager for only $760. High miles but a great deal none the less – couldn’t be happier, right? Read on……
Stop right there. Snipped the rest of the long story (and posting of someone’s private information) about how Diane Alexander GOT LUCKY by not buying this car. Kris
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…who you are? Suppose eBay wanted to get after me for this message–how would they go about doing it? And this isn’t even very anonymous. I could use MixMaster or something.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Bad eBayers are everywhere aren’t they? Here is my experience with <snip You have just put your eBay account at risk of being suspended for breaking the rules. Revealing contact info about another person is a SURE FIRE way to get booted from eBay! If this person complains (and they WILL find out about it!) – SAY BYE-BYE to eBay!
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Suppose eBay wanted to get after me for this message– how would they go about doing it? Here is my experience with <snip
Anyone can figure it out. Do an Advanced-Search-by-Bidder on <snip, check each auction, see which one was selling the item mentioned in the netnews article, and you have the PIPP (Private Information Publishing Perpetrator), aka "soon to be NARU’d eBay’er". If you’re gonna bitch about an eBay trader: a. Don’t go beyond the UserID and/or auc# b. Stick to facts. c. Have some purpose in mind, other than just bitching. d. Assume that <snip will find out. Publishing Private Info instantly converts you from aggrieved injured victim into guilty-as- charged policy violator. Don’t do it. — Regards, PO Box 248 Bob Niland Enterprise which, due to spam, is: 67441-0248 email4rjn AT yahoo DOT com http://www.access-one.com/rjn Unless otherwise specifically stated, expressing personal opinions and NOT speaking for any employer, client or Internet Service Provider.
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1988 Plymouth Voyager for only $760. The vehicle had 180,000 miles on it…
That’s 60,000 miles beyond design lifetime. My ‘89 Turbo Voyager got to 220,000 before I needed to replace the engine. A combination of Mobil 1 synthetic oil and luck. A new engine, with warranty, dealer-installed, will run you between $2500 and $4000. There’s general principle in buying used cars: that you can’t spend less than $2000. If you try, you’ll end up spending that much very soon anyway. It’s unfortunate about your deal, but your post-auction actions are just getting you in deeper. First rule of holes: when you find yourself in one, stop digging. — Regards, PO Box 248 Bob Niland Enterprise which, due to spam, is: 67441-0248 email4rjn AT yahoo DOT com http://www.access-one.com/rjn Unless otherwise specifically stated, expressing personal opinions and NOT speaking for any employer, client or Internet Service Provider.
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I was wondering about that. Also seems like seller does have some ammo for legal action if he chooses to proceed. Guess buyer would have been happier if he sold her the vehicle and the head gasket blew half way home. I think she got off really well, only out $150.00.
The vehicle had 180,000 miles on it…… it was 14 years old …..and the head gasket chose to blow only 3 hours after I got on a bus to see this guy? What are the odds? What are the odds that Kevin Petrosian and Julie Young sold the vehicle to someone else who paid more instead? BTW Kevin’s story alternated between a blown head gasket and a severe radiator leak …. and he just emailed me saying that he had sold the vehicle to someone else…guess they didn’t mind the "blown head gasket"?. Bad eBayer….no doughnut Full account has been copied here: http://www.geocities.com/europeanjulesscam/
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…who you are? Suppose eBay wanted to get after me for this message–how would they go about doing it?
This message? There’s nothing in it. The message referring to eBay auction #2435087375, however, is a very different story. And this isn’t even very anonymous. I could use MixMaster or something.
Anyone who believes an anonymizer will protect your anonymity when faced with a formal complaint, has a lot to learn. Kris
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The buyer of the car has left a negative for the seller, but one which breaks a cardinal eBay rule and will certainly be removed. Kris
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The buyer of the car has left a negative for the seller, but one which breaks a cardinal eBay rule and will certainly be removed. Kris
I was wondering about that. Also seems like seller does have some ammo for legal action if he chooses to proceed. Guess buyer would have been happier if he sold her the vehicle and the head gasket blew half way home. I think she got off really well, only out $150.00. –Bob
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Bad eBayers are everywhere aren’t they? Here is my experience with www.european-jules.com which is the first bad eBay experience i have had in three years…. guess I’m lucky Monday October 6 2003 12:30 am Yeah! Won an eBay auction for a 1988 Plymouth Voyager for only $760. High miles but a great deal none the less – couldn’t be happier, right? Read on…… Monday October 6 2003 10:00 am I was dealing with someone named Julie Young? Wassup? So I call…Kevin explains that "Julie" is his girlfriend. He only accepts Money orders or cashier’s checks…. Hmmmm….. I arrange to Greyhound over to Corning from Las Vegas on the 8th and give him full payment then. Kevin says the vehicle is in great condition. So far…. so good…. Tuesday October 7 2003 Purchase one-way Greyhound ticket – $100 bucks ouch! Still a good deal though….. Wednesday October 8 2003 3:00 pm Call Kevin and tell him that I will be on the bus at 5pm and that I will arrive at 9:30 am on the 10th. Ask about the condition of the car again and Kevin confirms the car is running swell and he’ll meet me at the bus station. Wednesday October 8 2003 5:00 pm Get on Da Bus….. Wednesday October 8 2003 8:00 pm Ring- a -Ding! It’s Kevin again on my cell phone. Bad news he says – the vehicle suddenly broke and he can’t sell it to me. WTF !!! ??? I’m already on the bus I tell him… I just talked to you! I’m out $100 plus $30 cab fare to the bus station….. Kevin acts really sorry and agrees to refund my bus ticket by Paypal….. OK…no harm no foul…stuff happens right??? Though I wonder if he just found a higher paying person to sell it to….. I get off at the next stop Thursday October 9 2003 12:30 pm A $50 return trip ticket and $30 more cab fare later I arrive at home. Thursday October 9 2003 Noon Talk to Kevin and send him an email – the Paypal is coming he says….. Thursday October 9 2003 8pm No Paypal….call Kevin again …"check’s still in the mail"… Hmmmmm…… Friday October 10 2003 9am Leave Kevin a voice message, asking about that paypal….no reply back…..not holding my breath…… Friday October 10 2003 5pm Leave Kevin an email saying "Look…you reneged on our deal and if you don’t make it good as you say then I’ll complain to eBay the BBB…yadda…yadda….." October 10 2003 8pm Kevin writes back….says he’s gonna sue me if I complain….guess that Paypal ain’t comming either….. Here’s what he writes – it’s from a Hotmail account. I am no longer surprised. Received: from hotmail.com ([64.4.23.102]) by lakemtai10.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Received: from 208.15.35.53 by lw15fd.law15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; X-Originating-IP: [208.15.35.53] Bcc: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed FILETIME=[04A61940:01C38FB6] Diane: I had planned to send the $ 150.00 to you via PayPal and this even after I out of my good will and concern for your time had incurred $ 109.00 in DMV fee’s which I am out of because the vehicle is indeed not in a condition in which to sell to a private party intent on using it for a daily driving vehicle and certainly not in the condition for the specific use you had intended. I had offered to cover your expenses for travel not out of binding agreement but out of kindness. Due to your threats of action you outlined in your email I certainly WILL NOT provide said assistance and furthermore should you carry out these malicious threats of contacting my customers my trading partners and defimation of my personal and companies business practices in the Internet and traditional business communities, I have full intent of taking civil proceedings against you in the highest amount of $ 5,000.00 allowed at this judicial level to be filed and judicated in Tehema County post haste where your precence will be mandatory or you will immediately forfiet. After informing my attorney and after his review of your email two things will be taking place at the beginning of the week. One you will be informed by my concil of our intent to pursue a liable case against you personaly and Two a No Contact Order (Restraining Order)will be filed with Tehama County, your present home County and Santa Cruz County because frankly I am concerned about your mental stablity and am afraid for myself and the Safety for Julie Young whom you addressed your email. From this point forward I am asking you to NOT contact either myself or Julie Young and our affiliates by Internet, telephone, cellular communications, email, mail through the U.S. Postal Service or any other known means of communication. Should you ignore this request law enforcement officials will be notified and a harrassment report will be taken and filed and used against you should we need to pursue civil proceedings. Kevin Petrossian Here’s Mr. Petrosian’s info for the www.european-jules.com domain from a reverse lookup (thank you Geek Tools!) Registration Date…. 2003-08-25 Organisation Name…. Kevin Petrossian Organisation Address. PO Box 5524 Organisation Address. Organisation Address. Corning Organisation Address. 96021 Organisation Address. CA Organisation Address. UNITED STATES A Po Box …and the phone number listed is disconnected. Some business eh? Moral of the Story: When Travelling the Information Highway – Don’t Take Greyhound! Oh yeah – And DON’T do business with www.european-jules.com either.
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