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I currently accept NoChex, Postal Order, Cheque and cash Should I join eBay’s Billpoint for UK? Is it worth joining? Any problems from you all? Thanks. — – Tony Sutton – http://www.hypertony.co.uk – Visit my website! – http://www.hyperboard.co.uk – Discuss on my message board I modem down, but they growd back.

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I currently accept NoChex, Postal Order, Cheque and cash Should I join eBay’s Billpoint for UK? Is it worth joining? Any problems from you all? Thanks.

Tony, I joined up with billpoint and managed to get a bidder to pay me via billpoint, it went okay for the bidder but for me not so good. The bidder paid up quickly but it was over a week before the money was transfered into my bank account. Apart from that it’s okay to use, it means we can all use our credit cards and it’s a great alt to paypal. I would say YES, join up you don’t have anything to lose. BTW, I accept nochex and paypal. Matt — Outgoing mail is certified clean and safe. Say Bollocks to the euro! we don’t want it! Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).

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I currently accept NoChex, Postal Order, Cheque and cash

I currently accept NoChex, Postal Order, Cheque, cash (US & UK), PayPal, BidPay & Billpoint. Most pay by cheque (or PayPal if abroad) but am getting an increasing amount of users paying by NoChex which is nice (no chance of chargebacks apparently :) Should I join eBay’s Billpoint for UK? Is it worth joining?

I think so, I’ve received 3 payments for things so far, first one was a small item that was less than 4 quid, lost out on a bit of money for the Billpoint fees but I don’t think anyone else bid on the auction so had I not accepted Billpoint I may not have received any money at all. The other two were for

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Got invited by eBay to join. I’ve heard some people don’t like to deal with Power Sellers.  Is this true?

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Got invited by eBay to join. I’ve heard some people don’t like to deal with Power Sellers.  Is this true?

Do it, just don’t tell your customers. Bill Shaw toppsoft

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Got invited by eBay to join. I’ve heard some people don’t like to deal with Power Sellers.  Is this true? Do it, just don’t tell your customers. Bill Shaw toppsoft

Really.  DO NOT put that awful "power seller" logo on your auctions. Do not brag about it.   Just use whatever eBay offers you in the form of special attention. Kris

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"Kris Baker" wrote Really.  DO NOT put that awful "power seller" logo on your auctions.  Do not brag about it.   Just use whatever eBay offers you in the form of special attention.

What do they offer in terms of perks? While we’re at it, does the logo equate to "Dishonest Used Car Salesman of the Year"?

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The logo equates to, "Please factor in this large seller’s massive overhead and inflated shipping costs into your bid, and be prepared to wait while their inattentive staff gets around to processing your order. Don’t expect prompt feedback." While this applies only to certain Power Sellers, it’s impossible to tell which ones are the culprits, so, all else being equal, a wise bidder purchases from a smaller, experienced seller with no Power Seller logo and 500 or fewer generally positive feedbacks. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -While we’re at it, does the logo equate to "Dishonest Used Car Salesman of the Year"?

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The logo equates to, "Please factor in this large seller’s massive overhead and inflated shipping costs into your bid, and be prepared to wait while their inattentive staff gets around to processing your order. Don’t expect prompt feedback." While this applies only to certain Power Sellers, it’s impossible to tell which ones are the culprits, so, all else being equal, a wise bidder purchases from a smaller, experienced seller with no Power Seller logo and 500 or fewer generally positive feedbacks.

<snip I’m not a power seller, but I’ve often wondered how much this was a perception of power sellers held by "wise bidders", versus this being a perception of power sellers held by smaller sellers with 500 or fewer generally positive feedbacks. Think about it logically, with your logic someone who accumulates couple of hundred positive feedback a year is a good buyer to buy from when he’s been selling for a year, but if he’s been selling for three years, he’s suddenly a pariah.  Someone who has two hundred positives and four negatives would be a better choice than someone with a fifteen hundred positives and no negatives. Richard Ward

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The logo equates to, "Please factor in this large seller’s massive overhead and inflated shipping costs into your bid, and be prepared to wait while their inattentive staff gets around to processing your order. Don’t expect prompt feedback."

I always run from power sellers as IMHO P.S. equates to: Carny/Fleamarket Mentality! You Can Trust THIS Power Seller! Really sounds like the integrity of someone’s honesty is in question, to me! Keep your wallet in your front pocket when around people like this.

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While this applies only to certain Power Sellers, it’s impossible to tell which ones are the culprits, so, all else being equal, a wise bidder purchases from a smaller, experienced seller with no Power Seller logo and 500 or fewer generally positive feedbacks.

Why having 500+ positive feedbacks is a bad thing?  Every seller will reach that point eventually if he/she sells on a regular basis.

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There is a default you can set that will prevent your bidder from entering (or ignoring) a s/h/i amount.  So, set the default so they cannot change it – and then do not enter a shipping amount in the checkout details.  This will prevent a customer from sending (via checkout) a lesser amount than total due utnil you provide the rest of the details. -Wherzmypants

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Okay… I finally had my first checkout problem.  I had a person do a BIN today.  He then went thru Checkout and didn’t add the shipping. I emailed him and just asked him to snail mail me the shipping.  Might have to eat it tho because I was on my way out the door to ship items and packed his item up and shipped it without verifying the full amount.  Dummy me.  ugh! What do you all think, would this be okay to add to my auctions? "Checkout:  Please do not use eBay’s Checkout if you plan to pay via eBay online Payments (Billpoint) without notifying me in advance.  I need to add the appropriate shipping charges to the Auction before payment can be made.  If payment is made without including shipping amount, the item will not be shipped.  If you make two payments for a purchase via eBay Online Payments, there will be an extra handling charge of $1.00." Would the above conflict with the no surcharge rule on credit card payments? Vicki Vics-MishMash

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What do you all think, would this be okay to add to my auctions? "Checkout:  Please do not use eBay’s Checkout if you plan to pay via eBay online Payments (Billpoint) without notifying me in advance.  I need to add the appropriate shipping charges to the Auction before

<snip How about something along the lines of "Checkout is a poorly designed and implemented system that will allmost certainly cause you unnecessary work, and possibly shipping delays if you choose to use it.  Please contact me directly for payment and shipping arrangements, and do *not* click on the "Checkout" button if you are the winner of this item!".. Save yourself the hassle of using that bloated POS system all together..  :-) I don’t use it, and don’t make any secret of it in my auctions, either.. — Mark,  Courtice, Ontario, Canada

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Okay… I finally had my first checkout problem.  I had a person do a BIN today.  He then went thru Checkout and didn’t add the shipping. I emailed him and just asked him to snail mail me the shipping.  Might have to eat it tho because I was on my way out the door to ship items and packed his item up and shipped it without verifying the full amount.  Dummy me.  ugh! What do you all think, would this be okay to add to my auctions? "Checkout:  Please do not use eBay’s Checkout if you plan to pay via eBay online Payments (Billpoint) without notifying me in advance.  I need to add the appropriate shipping charges to the Auction before payment can be made.  If payment is made without including shipping amount, the item will not be shipped.  If you make two payments for a purchase via eBay Online Payments, there will be an extra handling charge of $1.00." Would the above conflict with the no surcharge rule on credit card payments? Vicki Vics-MishMash

Vicki, are these items where you have to calculate the shipping costs individually (ie, over five pounds)?   There’s only a few of my auctions where I don’t state shipping up front, and put that figure in the Checkout shipping cost blocks. I think you might have to "eat" this one, as you basically accepted his payment when you shipped it (however unintentionally). I don’t think you’d have *any* luck collecting a $1 service charge from anyone. Kris

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Most are videos which I will ship either media rate or priority mail. I have thought about just using one or the other but with the holidays coming it’s been about 50/50 on what buyers want for shipping.  After Christmas I will probably just go to media rate on all videos and only offer priority if someone asks.   I give everyone a choice in my end of auctions and I’m usually pretty prompt.  But the BIN’s… well I usually wake up to those and the person has promptly paid.  I could stop doing BIN’s but I only do those on videos that haven’t sold in the past.  They are relists and usually sell when I add the BIN. I’m not worried about eating the shipping on this one.  It was totally my fault, just wanted to try to nip anymore in the bud with the Checkout.  Telling people not to use the Checkout in my auction might work, but until this BIN I hadn’t had a problem.  Even if I don’t like it.   Life sure was much easier b4 Checkout.  :::sigh::: Vicki – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Okay… I finally had my first checkout problem.  I had a person do a BIN today.  He then went thru Checkout and didn’t add the shipping. I emailed him and just asked him to snail mail me the shipping.  Might have to eat it tho because I was on my way out the door to ship items and packed his item up and shipped it without verifying the full amount.  Dummy me.  ugh! What do you all think, would this be okay to add to my auctions? "Checkout:  Please do not use eBay’s Checkout if you plan to pay via eBay online Payments (Billpoint) without notifying me in advance.  I need to add the appropriate shipping charges to the Auction before payment can be made.  If payment is made without including shipping amount, the item will not be shipped.  If you make two payments for a purchase via eBay Online Payments, there will be an extra handling charge of $1.00." Would the above conflict with the no surcharge rule on credit card payments? Vicki Vics-MishMash Vicki, are these items where you have to calculate the shipping costs individually (ie, over five pounds)?   There’s only a few of my auctions where I don’t state shipping up front, and put that figure in the Checkout shipping cost blocks. I think you might have to "eat" this one, as you basically accepted his payment when you shipped it (however unintentionally). I don’t think you’d have *any* luck collecting a $1 service charge from anyone. Kris

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Okay… I finally had my first checkout problem.  I had a person do a BIN today.  He then went thru Checkout and didn’t add the shipping.   I emailed him and just asked him to snail mail me the shipping.  Might have to eat it tho because I was on my way out the door to ship items and packed his item up and shipped it without verifying the full amount.  Dummy me.  ugh! What do you all think, would this be okay to add to my auctions? "Checkout:  Please do not use eBay’s Checkout if you plan to pay via eBay online Payments (Billpoint) without notifying me in advance.  I need to add the appropriate shipping charges to the Auction before payment can be made.  If payment is made without including shipping amount, the item will not be shipped.  If you make two payments for a purchase via eBay Online Payments, there will be an extra handling charge of $1.00." Would the above conflict with the no surcharge rule on credit card payments? Vicki Vics-MishMash

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Most are videos which I will ship either media rate or priority mail. I have thought about just using one or the other but with the holidays coming it’s been about 50/50 on what buyers want for shipping.  After Christmas I will probably just go to media rate on all videos and only offer priority if someone asks.

    You know what I’d try, then?   I’d give the buyer a     choice of shipping (flat amount for media mail, and a     flat amount for Priority) — and then let *them* fill in     the shipping amount block.    I’ve been thinking of     using that method, myself.     I wouldn’t worry about shipping for the holidays, until     December 10th.   Even if you filled in Media Mail and     didn’t give them a choice, they’d still buy your video. Kris – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I give everyone a choice in my end of auctions and I’m usually pretty prompt.  But the BIN’s… well I usually wake up to those and the person has promptly paid.  I could stop doing BIN’s but I only do those on videos that haven’t sold in the past.  They are relists and usually sell when I add the BIN. I’m not worried about eating the shipping on this one.  It was totally my fault, just wanted to try to nip anymore in the bud with the Checkout.  Telling people not to use the Checkout in my auction might work, but until this BIN I hadn’t had a problem.  Even if I don’t like it. Life sure was much easier b4 Checkout.  :::sigh::: Vicki Okay… I finally had my first checkout problem.  I had a person do a BIN today.  He then went thru Checkout and didn’t add the shipping. I emailed him and just asked him to snail mail me the shipping.  Might have to eat it tho because I was on my way out the door to ship items and packed his item up and shipped it without verifying the full amount.  Dummy me.  ugh! What do you all think, would this be okay to add to my auctions? "Checkout:  Please do not use eBay’s Checkout if you plan to pay via eBay online Payments (Billpoint) without notifying me in advance.  I need to add the appropriate shipping charges to the Auction before payment can be made.  If payment is made without including shipping amount, the item will not be shipped.  If you make two payments for a purchase via eBay Online Payments, there will be an extra handling charge of $1.00." Would the above conflict with the no surcharge rule on credit card payments? Vicki Vics-MishMash Vicki, are these items where you have to calculate the shipping costs individually (ie, over five pounds)?   There’s only a few of my auctions where I don’t state shipping up front, and put that figure in the Checkout shipping cost blocks. I think you might have to "eat" this one, as you basically accepted his payment when you shipped it (however unintentionally). I don’t think you’d have *any* luck collecting a $1 service charge from anyone. Kris

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So THATS what I just deleted….and here I was , thinking it was just plain ‘ol spam……

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I got an email just a minute ago saying Ebay had a new payment system with no fees!  I rushed to look, and guess what: " eBay Online Payments makes transactions safe and easy. A breakthrough for both buyers and sellers, eBay Online Payments gives everyone a safe, quick, and easy way to make and accept payments. With no fees! " They gave a link. Its a damnable lie. I’m sticking with Paypal

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I think what they meant to say was no fees for the buyer.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I got an email just a minute ago saying Ebay had a new payment system with no fees!  I rushed to look, and guess what: " eBay Online Payments makes transactions safe and easy. A breakthrough for both buyers and sellers, eBay Online Payments gives everyone a safe, quick, and easy way to make and accept payments. With no fees! " They gave a link. Its a damnable lie. I’m sticking with Paypal

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I got an email just a minute ago saying Ebay had a new payment system with no fees!  I rushed to look, and guess what: " eBay Online Payments makes transactions safe and easy. A breakthrough for both buyers and sellers, eBay Online Payments gives everyone a safe, quick, and easy way to make and accept payments. With no fees! " They gave a link. Its a damnable lie. I’m sticking with Paypal

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I just did the same thing!  :-)

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I got an email just a minute ago saying Ebay had a new payment system with no fees!  I rushed to look, and guess what: " eBay Online Payments makes transactions safe and easy. A breakthrough for both buyers and sellers, eBay Online Payments gives everyone a safe, quick, and easy way to make and accept payments. With no fees! " They gave a link. Its a damnable lie. I’m sticking with Paypal

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Howdy, I was wondering if anyone noticed when eBay started including the following passage in its end of auction notices: "Here’s what to do next: *PAY NOW WITH EBAY ONLINE PAYMENTS BY BILLPOINT! Go to: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1232415782&ed=… 38 and click the "Pay Now!" button for the fastest, most convenient way to pay for your item!" This is an excerpt from an auction that ended on April 28th.  This passage is included right after where eBay puts my, and the buyers e-mail info.  I offered Billpoint as one of several payment options on this auction.  The way eBay presents this, IMO, would make a bidder think that eBay is requiring them to pay using Billpoint. The whole reason Microsoft was brought to court by the Justice Department was because they used their market dominance (in OS) to unfairly promote its other products and services, namely including its browser software with the OS, and putting the logo prominently on the desktop.  This action by eBay is so similar to Microsoft’s tactics that it’s basically thumbing its nose at the DoJ, and at Billpoint’s competitors. I don’t recall having seen this discussed in this forum before, and am wondering if anyone has any comments on this.  I have noticed an increase in the use of Billpoint over the past several weeks, and am wondering is this why? Peter

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It’s called marketing.  They own Billpoint, they can put it in there if they want.  They can sell the space if they want. I recently got an end of auction notification from a seller and it went on and on about how PayPal was the prefered method of payment.  I don’t like PayPal, I used Billpoint, as that was an option also.  At the very end it said that the seller was using PayPal as a notification service, hence the push.

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I’ve often wondered about that.  But I guess they (e-Bay) are "partnering" with Billpoint. Face it, if its embedded in the darn auction listing, as Bill Point is and PayPal clearly is not, what can you expect? On the other hand, if e-Bay is, as it is so quick to tout when things go wrong, merely a "conduit" between the buyer and the seller, shouldn’t we buyers and sellers be given a little more control over OUR auctions and transactions? I can see where an unsophisticated buyer might arrive at that conclusion. But doesn’t the appearance of this Billpoint link on an e-Bay notice open up another can of worms regarding e-Bay’s implied liability in the event the transaction goes bad on the Billpoint end?  I wonder if anyone’s tried that tack yet? Z

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says… <snip But doesn’t the appearance of this Billpoint link on an e-Bay notice open up another can of worms regarding e-Bay’s implied liability in the event the transaction goes bad on the Billpoint end?  I wonder if anyone’s tried that tack yet? Z

They’re "only a venue", Z. :-| —        Mac (ebay: doogle) Doogle Digital – www.doogle.com

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This action by eBay is so similar to Microsoft’s tactics that it’s basically thumbing its nose at the DoJ, and at Billpoint’s competitors.

Were you napping when they announced Microflaccid bought ebay? — This is Usenet. The Real World is down the hall and a sharp left past your ego. — Dave Ratcliffe, on 7/4/00 in news.admin.net-abuse.usenet

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Thanks for not responding to any points.   Not too good at essay questions? Perhaps your comprehension of my post was similar to how you perceive the typical Canadian’s comprehension of your auction rules to be. I have no problem selling to Americans.  Even the dumb ones. Ian – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I don’t buy from Canada either, you don’t have to worry about me buying from you. I agree it could be made easier…but I’ll bet the politicians would never let it happen. The North American Free Trade Business was not for us little guys, it was for the big guys. Indeed, those are the two problems I have with Canadians: They don’t read the instructions and follow them. Very nice.  Can that be said about Americans, too?  Now that you’ve brought it up, I’ll add my opinion. *Some* Americans that I have dealt with: 1) always assume that *they* are correct 2) insist that shipping across a border could not possibly be that much for an item that weighs 10 kilograms (22 pounds for those of you who are stuck with the outdated imperial system) 3) sometimes ‘forget’ to add the *full* postage costs to cheques/money orders/cash that they send me 4) sometimes respond after an auction finishes and they are notified that they won. 5) always assume that *they* are correct And yes, I know that 1) and 5) are the same.  That’s how insistant some Americans can be. Why do I still sell to Americans?  Well, obviously the eBay market is mainly in the US.  These idiot buyers are few and far between, but they do exist. Some, yes.  All, no. I find it very hard to believe that *no* Canadians can read or follow instructions.  Some, yes.  All, no. Blanket statements are poor debating material.  Sharpen it up, quietone. Time for me to bid on some US only auctions like the rest of my fellow dumb Canadians.  Maybe I can bid on some of yours.  <sarcasm Ian Postage costs are almost impossible to figure out until you physically take the package down to the post office (I’m talking about larger items, which is what I mostly sell). So I decided to fix the problem and put in my auctions no Canadian bidders and what happens??????? They don’t read the auction instructions or either they intentionally bid. I’m going to start with the negatives before long and treat the ones who’ve been on Ebay as if they were NPB’s. Ian, Not wishing to raise your blood pressure any further, I will answer you once more by repeating the sentiments of another folks here, and it is this… eBay, online, newsgroup, etc., transactions are already frought with a certain amount of distrust on both ends, and probably rightfully so. As a seller who has an excellent rep with good feedback, I always detect that note of "fear" in the buyer when attempting to finalize a transaction. No matter what I instruct them to do, they are suspicious every step of the way. Forget about selling in Canada….how many times have we specifically stated NO CHECKS, and a buyer will send a check right here in the USA? How many times to you tell them, US Postal money orders, and they send you one from the local Fred’s Market Official money order? My reason for starting this post was because my auction SPECIFICALLY stated, US shipping only, and a CANADIAN did not take the time to read the auction…. Now, many of these same CANADIANS, good people, with good intentions, just like the folks here in the US, CANNOT FOLLOW INSTRUCTIONS!!! You tell them to send an internation money order in US funds, and they send you a check.  Or, they send you a Canadian money order, or worse. At least here in the US, these mistakes are a bit easier and FASTER to overcome.  When dealing with Canada , they are not, and it takes FOREVER to rectify… Not to mention the confusion over properly estimating shipping costs, customs, etc…. For the majority of US sellers, it is simply JUST not worth the hassle.  There are MORE then enough Americans willing, ready and able to buy….If that leaves Canadians in the cold (no pun intended! ) for eBay activity, etc., then you have my sympathy.  Seems to me that two countries, so close, and so friendly, could go alot farther to make doing business easier. Dan

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I don’t buy from Canada either, you don’t have to worry about me buying from you.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I agree it could be made easier…but I’ll bet the politicians would never let it happen. The North American Free Trade Business was not for us little guys, it was for the big guys. Indeed, those are the two problems I have with Canadians: They don’t read the instructions and follow them. Very nice.  Can that be said about Americans, too?  Now that you’ve brought it up, I’ll add my opinion. *Some* Americans that I have dealt with: 1) always assume that *they* are correct 2) insist that shipping across a border could not possibly be that much for an item that weighs 10 kilograms (22 pounds for those of you who are stuck with the outdated imperial system) 3) sometimes ‘forget’ to add the *full* postage costs to cheques/money orders/cash that they send me 4) sometimes respond after an auction finishes and they are notified that they won. 5) always assume that *they* are correct And yes, I know that 1) and 5) are the same.  That’s how insistant some Americans can be. Why do I still sell to Americans?  Well, obviously the eBay market is mainly in the US.  These idiot buyers are few and far between, but they do exist. Some, yes.  All, no. I find it very hard to believe that *no* Canadians can read or follow instructions.  Some, yes.  All, no. Blanket statements are poor debating material.  Sharpen it up, quietone. Time for me to bid on some US only auctions like the rest of my fellow dumb Canadians.  Maybe I can bid on some of yours.  <sarcasm Ian Postage costs are almost impossible to figure out until you physically take the package down to the post office (I’m talking about larger items, which is what I mostly sell). So I decided to fix the problem and put in my auctions no Canadian bidders and what happens??????? They don’t read the auction instructions or either they intentionally bid. I’m going to start with the negatives before long and treat the ones who’ve been on Ebay as if they were NPB’s. Ian, Not wishing to raise your blood pressure any further, I will answer you once more by repeating the sentiments of another folks here, and it is this… eBay, online, newsgroup, etc., transactions are already frought with a certain amount of distrust on both ends, and probably rightfully so. As a seller who has an excellent rep with good feedback, I always detect that note of "fear" in the buyer when attempting to finalize a transaction. No matter what I instruct them to do, they are suspicious every step of the way. Forget about selling in Canada….how many times have we specifically stated NO CHECKS, and a buyer will send a check right here in the USA? How many times to you tell them, US Postal money orders, and they send you one from the local Fred’s Market Official money order? My reason for starting this post was because my auction SPECIFICALLY stated, US shipping only, and a CANADIAN did not take the time to read the auction…. Now, many of these same CANADIANS, good people, with good intentions, just like the folks here in the US, CANNOT FOLLOW INSTRUCTIONS!!! You tell them to send an internation money order in US funds, and they send you a check.  Or, they send you a Canadian money order, or worse. At least here in the US, these mistakes are a bit easier and FASTER to overcome.  When dealing with Canada , they are not, and it takes FOREVER to rectify… Not to mention the confusion over properly estimating shipping costs, customs, etc…. For the majority of US sellers, it is simply JUST not worth the hassle.  There are MORE then enough Americans willing, ready and able to buy….If that leaves Canadians in the cold (no pun intended! ) for eBay activity, etc., then you have my sympathy.  Seems to me that two countries, so close, and so friendly, could go alot farther to make doing business easier. Dan

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I agree it could be made easier…but I’ll bet the politicians would never let it happen. The North American Free Trade Business was not for us little guys, it was for the big guys. Indeed, those are the two problems I have with Canadians: They don’t read the instructions and follow them.

Very nice.  Can that be said about Americans, too?  Now that you’ve brought it up, I’ll add my opinion. *Some* Americans that I have dealt with: 1) always assume that *they* are correct 2) insist that shipping across a border could not possibly be that much for an item that weighs 10 kilograms (22 pounds for those of you who are stuck with the outdated imperial system) 3) sometimes ‘forget’ to add the *full* postage costs to cheques/money orders/cash that they send me 4) sometimes respond after an auction finishes and they are notified that they won. 5) always assume that *they* are correct And yes, I know that 1) and 5) are the same.  That’s how insistant some Americans can be. Why do I still sell to Americans?  Well, obviously the eBay market is mainly in the US.  These idiot buyers are few and far between, but they do exist. Some, yes.  All, no. I find it very hard to believe that *no* Canadians can read or follow instructions.  Some, yes.  All, no. Blanket statements are poor debating material.  Sharpen it up, quietone. Time for me to bid on some US only auctions like the rest of my fellow dumb Canadians.  Maybe I can bid on some of yours.  <sarcasm Ian – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Postage costs are almost impossible to figure out until you physically take the package down to the post office (I’m talking about larger items, which is what I mostly sell). So I decided to fix the problem and put in my auctions no Canadian bidders and what happens??????? They don’t read the auction instructions or either they intentionally bid. I’m going to start with the negatives before long and treat the ones who’ve been on Ebay as if they were NPB’s. Ian, Not wishing to raise your blood pressure any further, I will answer you once more by repeating the sentiments of another folks here, and it is this… eBay, online, newsgroup, etc., transactions are already frought with a certain amount of distrust on both ends, and probably rightfully so. As a seller who has an excellent rep with good feedback, I always detect that note of "fear" in the buyer when attempting to finalize a transaction. No matter what I instruct them to do, they are suspicious every step of the way. Forget about selling in Canada….how many times have we specifically stated NO CHECKS, and a buyer will send a check right here in the USA? How many times to you tell them, US Postal money orders, and they send you one from the local Fred’s Market Official money order? My reason for starting this post was because my auction SPECIFICALLY stated, US shipping only, and a CANADIAN did not take the time to read the auction…. Now, many of these same CANADIANS, good people, with good intentions, just like the folks here in the US, CANNOT FOLLOW INSTRUCTIONS!!! You tell them to send an internation money order in US funds, and they send you a check.  Or, they send you a Canadian money order, or worse. At least here in the US, these mistakes are a bit easier and FASTER to overcome.  When dealing with Canada , they are not, and it takes FOREVER to rectify… Not to mention the confusion over properly estimating shipping costs, customs, etc…. For the majority of US sellers, it is simply JUST not worth the hassle.  There are MORE then enough Americans willing, ready and able to buy….If that leaves Canadians in the cold (no pun intended! ) for eBay activity, etc., then you have my sympathy.  Seems to me that two countries, so close, and so friendly, could go alot farther to make doing business easier. Dan

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At least here in the US, these mistakes are a bit easier and FASTER to overcome.  When dealing with Canada , they are not, and it takes FOREVER to rectify…

Yes, and probably the best reason you have given for not dealing with anyone outside the US. Not to mention the confusion over properly estimating shipping costs, customs, etc….

Customs are *never* your problem.  Only the receivers. For the majority of US sellers, it is simply JUST not worth the hassle.  There are MORE then enough Americans willing, ready and able to buy….If that leaves Canadians in the cold (no pun intended! ) for eBay activity, etc., then you have my sympathy.

Hehe.  My igloo has central heating. Seems to me that two countries, so close, and so friendly, could go alot farther to make doing business easier.

So when are you guys going start using Canadian money?  I see that as the easiest solution. Later, Ian

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Kris, I like your attitude!  I always thought eBay was a global marketplace, nice to see someone in the US who agrees. Ian

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Dan, wouldn’t things be simpler with fewer rules and restrictions?   Fewer rules to read, fewer rules broken. I’ve taken cash, checks, VISA, MC, BillPoint, PayPal, BidPay, C2it, money orders from Hugo’s supermarket in East Grand Forks ND, USPO money orders, cashier’s checks, 7-11 money orders. I’ve shipped to Canada, every state in the US, Australia, Japan, Singapore, and other places I can’t even remember. I pretty much draw the line at dead chickens and used husbands (have one of each – in different locations). Out of almost 2,000 online transactions (not all of mine are online auctions), I’ve had TWO checks bounce.  Two. And both were quickly made good (including my bank’s $2.50 "bounced check" fee). I guess I just don’t understand all this distrust. Kris Ian, Not wishing to raise your blood pressure any further, I will answer you once more by repeating the sentiments of another folks here, and it is this… eBay, online, newsgroup, etc., transactions are already frought with a certain amount of distrust on both ends, and probably rightfully so. As a seller who has an excellent rep with good feedback, I always detect that note of "fear" in the buyer when attempting to finalize a transaction. No matter what I instruct them to do, they are suspicious every step of the way. Forget about selling in Canada….how many times have we specifically stated NO CHECKS, and a buyer will send a check right here in the USA? How many times to you tell them, US Postal money orders, and they send you one from the local Fred’s Market Official money order? My reason for starting this post was because my auction SPECIFICALLY stated, US shipping only, and a CANADIAN did not take the time to read the auction…. Now, many of these same CANADIANS, good people, with good intentions, just like the folks here in the US, CANNOT FOLLOW INSTRUCTIONS!!! You tell them to send an internation money order in US funds, and they send you a check.  Or, they send you a Canadian money order, or worse. At least here in the US, these mistakes are a bit easier and FASTER to overcome.  When dealing with Canada , they are not, and it takes FOREVER to rectify… Not to mention the confusion over properly estimating shipping costs, customs, etc…. For the majority of US sellers, it is simply JUST not worth the hassle.  There are MORE then enough Americans willing, ready and able to buy….If that leaves Canadians in the cold (no pun intended! ) for eBay activity, etc., then you have my sympathy.  Seems to me that two countries, so close, and so friendly, could go alot farther to make doing business easier. Dan

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1)  Payment is easy.  Canadian Postal Money Orders payable in US Funds. Your US Post Office will take them, and they’re easy for Canadians to get. Maybe so

So.  <grin 2)  Our postal system is no better, or worse, than the USPS.   (Perhaps you can’t be bothered to fill out a small Customs form?) Really didn’t want to start a "flame war" with our beloved northern neighbors, but I heartily disgree with the above statement.  Your postal system WITHIN Canada may be fine, I cannot comment on that. However, from the US to Canada and Vice Versa it’s like the mail hits a SOLID wall of delay at the border.  It is a horror.  And yes, I really cannot be othered to deal with customs forms. Again, my right not to do so, OK?

Yes … but money is money no matter where it comes from.  If you are selling small items, then maybe it’s not worth it to you, but I know that I am more than willing to cover the postage *plus* if it’s a small item I always offer an extra buck or two to cover the ‘handling’ time spent filling out a customs form.   But that’s just me. 3)  UPS, I agree. Ahh, we agree

<grin I think you’d find the only difference between selling to Canada and selling to the US is the fact that your payment will take a couple of days longer to reach you. A COUPLE of days?  The last time I did a Canadian deal it took a MONTH!  That was what caused my position here and now.

I find that difficult to fathom.  Did you check the postmark on the envelope containing the payment?  Did it really take amonth to send, or did the buyer send it long after they said they did?  The longest it has taken for one of my payments to the US to arrive is 9 days – and that’s 50+ buys.   I frequently receive packages from the US 5 or 6 days after the seller sent them to me … the longest it has taken for me to receive a package from time of mailing is 13 days.   (If you want to talk about efficiency of postal systems, please consider that I receive weekly packages from England 4 or 5 days after they are mailed.  This tilts the balance of postal efficiency towards the Canadians.) I always email a seller before I bid to ask if it’s ok, and I’ve never had one disagree.  I realize that not all buyers extend this courtesy to a seller, though. Lively discussion is good for raising my low blood pressure.  Thanks.  : ) Ian

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Yes, calculate it on that USPS website, and when I take the item to the Post office, 9 times out of ten the numbers are different.

How do you calculate US rates then? Secondly, my bank charges for all forms of payment from Canada.  Have you ever tried to get Canadians that they HAVE to send you a postal money order in US dollars. (one that I can cash at my post office)

I am in Canada, and I always send Canadian Postal money order’s in US Funds. Not hard. I’ve been bitched at so many times on that one its not funny.  At least 50% of Canadians don’t believe you and don’t follow directions on that one, that’s my experience.

That is a blanket statement that can also be applied to 50% of the people in the US that I sell to. I’m not going to eat my banks $15.00 charge for Canadian checks in US dollars.

Agreed. Canadians don’t get it that our banks (at least mine) don’t like foreign money or foreign banks, wherever they might be.  I’m in the Southern US, for sellers closer to the border its probably not as bad, but for me, it doesn’t work selling Canadian.

We’re shunned by most of Upper-Mexico.  <grin  (That was a joke, just to be clear.) Read my other replies in this thread for more of my thoughts on this subject. Ian

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Ian, Not wishing to raise your blood pressure any further, I will answer you once more by repeating the sentiments of another folks here, and it is this… eBay, online, newsgroup, etc., transactions are already frought with a certain amount of distrust on both ends, and probably rightfully so. As a seller who has an excellent rep with good feedback, I always detect that note of "fear" in the buyer when attempting to finalize a transaction. No matter what I instruct them to do, they are suspicious every step of the way. Forget about selling in Canada….how many times have we specifically stated NO CHECKS, and a buyer will send a check right here in the USA? How many times to you tell them, US Postal money orders, and they send you one from the local Fred’s Market Official money order? My reason for starting this post was because my auction SPECIFICALLY stated, US shipping only, and a CANADIAN did not take the time to read the auction…. Now, many of these same CANADIANS, good people, with good intentions, just like the folks here in the US, CANNOT FOLLOW INSTRUCTIONS!!! You tell them to send an internation money order in US funds, and they send you a check.  Or, they send you a Canadian money order, or worse. At least here in the US, these mistakes are a bit easier and FASTER to overcome.  When dealing with Canada , they are not, and it takes FOREVER to rectify… Not to mention the confusion over properly estimating shipping costs, customs, etc…. For the majority of US sellers, it is simply JUST not worth the hassle.  There are MORE then enough Americans willing, ready and able to buy….If that leaves Canadians in the cold (no pun intended! ) for eBay activity, etc., then you have my sympathy.  Seems to me that two countries, so close, and so friendly, could go alot farther to make doing business easier. Dan

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I agree it could be made easier…but I’ll bet the politicians would never let it happen. The North American Free Trade Business was not for us little guys, it was for the big guys. Indeed, those are the two problems I have with Canadians: They don’t read the instructions and follow them. Postage costs are almost impossible to figure out until you physically take the package down to the post office (I’m talking about larger items, which is what I mostly sell). So I decided to fix the problem and put in my auctions no Canadian bidders and what happens??????? They don’t read the auction instructions or either they intentionally bid. I’m going to start with the negatives before long and treat the ones who’ve been on Ebay as if they were NPB’s. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ian, Not wishing to raise your blood pressure any further, I will answer you once more by repeating the sentiments of another folks here, and it is this… eBay, online, newsgroup, etc., transactions are already frought with a certain amount of distrust on both ends, and probably rightfully so. As a seller who has an excellent rep with good feedback, I always detect that note of "fear" in the buyer when attempting to finalize a transaction. No matter what I instruct them to do, they are suspicious every step of the way. Forget about selling in Canada….how many times have we specifically stated NO CHECKS, and a buyer will send a check right here in the USA? How many times to you tell them, US Postal money orders, and they send you one from the local Fred’s Market Official money order? My reason for starting this post was because my auction SPECIFICALLY stated, US shipping only, and a CANADIAN did not take the time to read the auction…. Now, many of these same CANADIANS, good people, with good intentions, just like the folks here in the US, CANNOT FOLLOW INSTRUCTIONS!!! You tell them to send an internation money order in US funds, and they send you a check.  Or, they send you a Canadian money order, or worse. At least here in the US, these mistakes are a bit easier and FASTER to overcome.  When dealing with Canada , they are not, and it takes FOREVER to rectify… Not to mention the confusion over properly estimating shipping costs, customs, etc…. For the majority of US sellers, it is simply JUST not worth the hassle.  There are MORE then enough Americans willing, ready and able to buy….If that leaves Canadians in the cold (no pun intended! ) for eBay activity, etc., then you have my sympathy.  Seems to me that two countries, so close, and so friendly, could go alot farther to make doing business easier. Dan

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Dan, wouldn’t things be simpler with fewer rules and restrictions?   Fewer rules to read, fewer rules broken. I’ve taken cash, checks, VISA, MC, BillPoint, PayPal, BidPay, C2it, money orders from Hugo’s supermarket in East Grand Forks ND, USPO money orders, cashier’s checks, 7-11 money orders. I’ve shipped to Canada, every state in the US, Australia, Japan, Singapore, and other places I can’t even remember. I pretty much draw the line at dead chickens and used husbands (have one of each – in different locations). Out of almost 2,000 online transactions (not all of mine are online auctions), I’ve had TWO checks bounce.  Two. And both were quickly made good (including my bank’s $2.50 "bounced check" fee). I guess I just don’t understand all this distrust. Kris

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Ian, Not wishing to raise your blood pressure any further, I will answer you once more by repeating the sentiments of another folks here, and it is this… eBay, online, newsgroup, etc., transactions are already frought with a certain amount of distrust on both ends, and probably rightfully so. As a seller who has an excellent rep with good feedback, I always detect that note of "fear" in the buyer when attempting to finalize a transaction. No matter what I instruct them to do, they are suspicious every step of the way. Forget about selling in Canada….how many times have we specifically stated NO CHECKS, and a buyer will send a check right here in the USA? How many times to you tell them, US Postal money orders, and they send you one from the local Fred’s Market Official money order? My reason for starting this post was because my auction SPECIFICALLY stated, US shipping only, and a CANADIAN did not take the time to read the auction…. Now, many of these same CANADIANS, good people, with good intentions, just like the folks here in the US, CANNOT FOLLOW INSTRUCTIONS!!! You tell them to send an internation money order in US funds, and they send you a check.  Or, they send you a Canadian money order, or worse. At least here in the US, these mistakes are a bit easier and FASTER to overcome.  When dealing with Canada , they are not, and it takes FOREVER to rectify… Not to mention the confusion over properly estimating shipping costs, customs, etc…. For the majority of US sellers, it is simply JUST not worth the hassle.  There are MORE then enough Americans willing, ready and able to buy….If that leaves Canadians in the cold (no pun intended! ) for eBay activity, etc., then you have my sympathy.  Seems to me that two countries, so close, and so friendly, could go alot farther to make doing business easier. Dan

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Thanks for the input. I believe the party is a "she" and I do not believe a negative is required in this case. What is an FVF? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I’ve got the same problem-it happens a lot. You could just give him a negative and move on. Definitely file for the FVF, refuse to sell to him.

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  What do you sell?   Do you have trouble with ANY of   your US customers?   I’ve met only nice Canadians.   But….are you sure you’d be shipping to Canada?  I’ve   had many Canadians have me ship to US addresses.

Usually radio and electronic / photo equipment… Both payment and shipping activities or more of a hassle with Canada. Nothing against Canadians, great folks, but their postal service is a horror show.  I do not use UPS, another horror show. It is my right to refrain from shipping outside US, and it was plainly stated in the auction. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -He’s new.  If you absolutely refuse to sell to him (and it’s your right, since you stated that in your auction), write him a nice email saying:   "I’m sorry, but my auction specifically stated that I would    ship only to United States addresses.  Unless you have    made arrangements for a US shipping address, I cannot    sell this item and ship it to you in Canada.    I will be filing to recovery my eBay selling fees, under    the "buyer/seller jointly agreed" clause.   I’m sorry    your early experience on eBay did not work out; in    the future, please read the auction descriptions more    carefully." Kris

Kris, Thanks alot for the help, I will use your suggestion. Dan

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Oh, I forgot.  Leave him NO feedback or only a neutral saying "did not notice I do not ship to Canada" — this is absolutely NOT worth a negative (which I reserve for cheats and liars).   This guy merely forgot to pay attention. Kris

I agree.  I do not believe negative feedback is warranted here. I may just go with none… Dan

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I think there are more than a few Canadians out there who just bid, knowing you’re stuck between a rock and a hard place once they’ve bid on  it from you.  If I get a sense that they’re doing it on purpose (are obvious regulars on Eaby), to me, they will get the negative and deserve one just as much as an NPB because if you don’t want to jump through all the hoops of selling Canadian, then thats your right, and if they foul up your auctions on purpose, they deserve that neg just as much as the NPB does. And I just agreed to let a nice Canadian who wanted to bid on one of my auctions do so after going through the litany of contingencies I place on these sales.  He requested to do so ahead of time. This is a problem the politicians need to fix, there are just too many hurdles to jump through selling Canadian. I think the Canadian government wants Canadian money to stay in Canada and thats why there are so many problems (and at least in my experience, probably why many  Canadian buyers seem to have an "attitude" when you give them all your contingencies on selling to them.  )

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Conti) What are my eBay rights in this situation, and what is the BEST way to deal with this matter? I do not wish to ship to Canada! Tell the guy you will not ship, file for the NPB Alert after 7 days, say you have "mutually decided not to conclude" which will end it immediately. Unless you want to give him a negative … in which case he will probably give you one!

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Thanks for the input. I believe the party is a "she" and I do not believe a negative is required in this case. What is an FVF?

That’s the Final Value Fee (ebay’s percentage "take" from your final auction price). You should fill out this form to request that ebay return the fee anytime the transaction is not completed. Here’s the link: http://cgi3.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?CreditRequest Of course, this can only be submitted ten days after you submit the NPB (Non Paying Bidder) alert form: http://cgi3.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?NPBComplaintForm

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Both payment and shipping activities or more of a hassle with Canada. Nothing against Canadians, great folks, but their postal service is a horror show.  I do not use UPS, another horror show.

1)  Payment is easy.  Canadian Postal Money Orders payable in US Funds. Your US Post Office will take them, and they’re easy for Canadians to get. 2)  Our postal system is no better, or worse, than the USPS.   (Perhaps you can’t be bothered to fill out a small Customs form?) 3)  UPS, I agree. It is my right to refrain from shipping outside US, and it was plainly stated in the auction.

I think you’d find the only difference between selling to Canada and selling to the US is the fact that your payment will take a couple of days longer to reach you. It *is* your right not to ship to Canada, but unless you can give me more precise problems you’ve had, I’ll have to take your subjective reasoning as flawed. Ian

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se. What is an FVF? That’s the Final Value Fee (ebay’s percentage "take" from your final auction price). You should fill out this form to request that ebay return the fee anytime the transaction is not completed. Here’s the link: http://cgi3.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?CreditRequest Of course, this can only be submitted ten days after you submit the NPB (Non Paying Bidder) alert form: http://cgi3.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?NPBComplaintForm

Thank you very much

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1)  Payment is easy.  Canadian Postal Money Orders payable in US Funds. Your US Post Office will take them, and they’re easy for Canadians to get.

Maybe so 2)  Our postal system is no better, or worse, than the USPS.   (Perhaps you can’t be bothered to fill out a small Customs form?)

Really didn’t want to start a "flame war" with our beloved northern neighbors, but I heartily disgree with the above statement.  Your postal system WITHIN Canada may be fine, I cannot comment on that. However, from the US to Canada and Vice Versa it’s like the mail hits a SOLID wall of delay at the border.  It is a horror.  And yes, I really cannot be othered to deal with customs forms. Again, my right not to do so, OK? 3)  UPS, I agree.

Ahh, we agree ‘ It is my right to refrain from shipping outside US, and it was plainly stated in the auction. I think you’d find the only difference between selling to Canada and selling to the US is the fact that your payment will take a couple of days longer to reach you.

A COUPLE of days?  The last time I did a Canadian deal it took a MONTH!  That was what caused my position here and now. It *is* your right not to ship to Canada, but unless you can give me more precise problems you’ve had, I’ll have to take your subjective reasoning as flawed. Ian

Well, in your mind it may be, but I do not have to give you or anyone else a reason why I set up my auction the way I do.  As long as it is legal, and I follow eBay rules, thats it, PERIOD. Dan

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I think there are more than a few Canadians out there who just bid, knowing you’re stuck between a rock and a hard place once they’ve bid on  it from you.  If I get a sense that they’re doing it on purpose (are obvious regulars on Eaby), to me, they will get the negative and deserve one just as much as an NPB because if you don’t want to jump through all the hoops of selling Canadian, then thats your right, and if they foul up your auctions on purpose, they deserve that neg just as much as the NPB does.

What the heck are you talking about here?  What are these hoops you have to jump through? And I just agreed to let a nice Canadian who wanted to bid on one of my auctions do so after going through the litany of contingencies I place on these sales.  He requested to do so ahead of time.

What is the ‘litany of contingencies’ that you put him through? This is a problem the politicians need to fix, there are just too many hurdles to jump through selling Canadian. I think the Canadian government wants Canadian money to stay in Canada and thats why there are so many problems (and at least in my experience, probably why many  Canadian buyers seem to have an "attitude" when you give them all your contingencies on selling to them.  )

What is the Canadian government doing to stop us sending you money?   The only different thing you have to do to send something to someone in Canada is fill out a small customs form.  You can calculate postage to Canada on the USPS website.  We Canadians can send you a Money Order in US funds that can be cashed at a US Post Office. I just don’t get it.  Please explain. Tin-foil hat, anyone? Ian

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Yes, calculate it on that USPS website, and when I take the item to the Post office, 9 times out of ten the numbers are different.  Secondly, my bank charges for all forms of payment from Canada.  Have you ever tried to get Canadians that they HAVE to send you a postal money order in US dollars. (one that I can cash at my post office) I’ve been bitched at so many times on that one its not funny.  At least 50% of Canadians don’t believe you and don’t follow directions on that one, that’s my experience. I’m not going to eat my banks $15.00 charge for Canadian checks in US dollars. Canadians don’t get it that our banks (at least mine) don’t like foreign money or foreign banks, wherever they might be.  I’m in the Southern US, for sellers closer to the border its probably not as bad, but for me, it doesn’t work selling Canadian.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I think there are more than a few Canadians out there who just bid, knowing you’re stuck between a rock and a hard place once they’ve bid on  it from you.  If I get a sense that they’re doing it on purpose (are obvious regulars on Eaby), to me, they will get the negative and deserve one just as much as an NPB because if you don’t want to jump through all the hoops of selling Canadian, then thats your right, and if they foul up your auctions on purpose, they deserve that neg just as much as the NPB does. What the heck are you talking about here?  What are these hoops you have to jump through? And I just agreed to let a nice Canadian who wanted to bid on one of my auctions do so after going through the litany of contingencies I place on these sales.  He requested to do so ahead of time. What is the ‘litany of contingencies’ that you put him through? This is a problem the politicians need to fix, there are just too many hurdles to jump through selling Canadian. I think the Canadian government wants Canadian money to stay in Canada and thats why there are so many problems (and at least in my experience, probably why many  Canadian buyers seem to have an "attitude" when you give them all your contingencies on selling to them.  ) What is the Canadian government doing to stop us sending you money?   The only different thing you have to do to send something to someone in Canada is fill out a small customs form.  You can calculate postage to Canada on the USPS website.  We Canadians can send you a Money Order in US funds that can be cashed at a US Post Office. I just don’t get it.  Please explain. Tin-foil hat, anyone? Ian

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What are my eBay rights in this situation, and what is the BEST way to deal with this matter?   I do not wish to ship to Canada!

Tell the guy you will not ship, file for the NPB Alert after 7 days, say you have "mutually decided not to conclude" which will end it immediately. Unless you want to give him a negative … in which case he will probably give you one!

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Oh, I forgot.  Leave him NO feedback or only a neutral saying "did not notice I do not ship to Canada" — this is absolutely NOT worth a negative (which I reserve for cheats and liars).   This guy merely forgot to pay attention. Kris

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I recently ran an auction for an item where the auction specifically stated "Will ship to USA only" I do not wish to do business outside the US.  I had hassles in the past with Canadian customers, and it was just not worth the hassle. I thought that having this stated in the bid would solve that problem. In this case, the winning bidder is new to eBay, and apparently did not read the auction requirements before bidding. The bid has closed, and I cannot cancel it outright at this point. What are my eBay rights in this situation, and what is the BEST way to deal with this matter? I do not wish to ship to Canada! Dan

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I’ve got the same problem-it happens a lot. You could just give him a negative and move on. Definitely file for the FVF, refuse to sell to him. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I recently ran an auction for an item where the auction specifically stated "Will ship to USA only" I do not wish to do business outside the US.  I had hassles in the past with Canadian customers, and it was just not worth the hassle. I thought that having this stated in the bid would solve that problem. In this case, the winning bidder is new to eBay, and apparently did not read the auction requirements before bidding. The bid has closed, and I cannot cancel it outright at this point. What are my eBay rights in this situation, and what is the BEST way to deal with this matter? I do not wish to ship to Canada! Dan

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I recently ran an auction for an item where the auction specifically stated "Will ship to USA only" I do not wish to do business outside the US.  I had hassles in the past with Canadian customers, and it was just not worth the hassle.

   What do you sell?   Do you have trouble with ANY of    your US customers?   I’ve met only nice Canadians.    But….are you sure you’d be shipping to Canada?  I’ve    had many Canadians have me ship to US addresses. I thought that having this stated in the bid would solve that problem. In this case, the winning bidder is new to eBay, and apparently did not read the auction requirements before bidding. The bid has closed, and I cannot cancel it outright at this point. What are my eBay rights in this situation, and what is the BEST way to deal with this matter? I do not wish to ship to Canada! Dan

He’s new.  If you absolutely refuse to sell to him (and it’s your right, since you stated that in your auction), write him a nice email saying:    "I’m sorry, but my auction specifically stated that I would     ship only to United States addresses.  Unless you have     made arrangements for a US shipping address, I cannot     sell this item and ship it to you in Canada.     I will be filing to recovery my eBay selling fees, under     the "buyer/seller jointly agreed" clause.   I’m sorry     your early experience on eBay did not work out; in     the future, please read the auction descriptions more     carefully." Kris

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I recently ran an auction for an item where the auction specifically stated "Will ship to USA only" I do not wish to do business outside the US.  I had hassles in the past with Canadian customers, and it was just not worth the hassle. I thought that having this stated in the bid would solve that problem. In this case, the winning bidder is new to eBay, and apparently did not read the auction requirements before bidding. The bid has closed, and I cannot cancel it outright at this point. What are my eBay rights in this situation, and what is the BEST way to deal with this matter?   I do not wish to ship to Canada! Dan

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I saw someone post a charter link that said it’s OK to advertise, as long as it’s an Ebay auction. But I keep hearing different. The charter said it was an unmoderated group, but there are some here trying to do just that. What’s the deal? 5000C

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I saw someone post a charter link that said it’s OK to advertise, as long as it’s an Ebay auction. But I keep hearing different.

From the charter at: ftp://ftp.isc.org/usenet/control/alt/alt.marketing.online.ebay.Z This group is for the discussion of any and all subject matter related to the Ebay Online Auctions. Topics may range in all areas that relate to the Ebay auctions. Off Topic posts may be made if they are related to the shows subject matter. Advertising is only to be posted if it is Ebay merchandise. This news group is not moderated. No Binaries are allowed in this news group. <<< The charter said it was an unmoderated group, but there are some here trying to do just that.

No one’s trying to moderate the group; however a newsgroup is a community. When someone comes in and disrupts that community, they should expect the residents to react. What’s the deal?

While the original charter does allow ads for eBay auctions, it is generally regarded that this has been superseded by the discussion only. This is obviously apparent to anyone who lurked here for half a day. And even if it wasn’t apparent, all they’d have to do is ask. -Bob

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From the charter at: ftp://ftp.isc.org/usenet/control/alt/alt.marketing.online.ebay.Z to the shows subject matter. Advertising is only to be posted if it is Ebay merchandise. This news group is not moderated. No Binaries are allowed in this news group. While the original charter does allow ads for eBay auctions, it is generally regarded that this has been superseded by the discussion only. This is obviously apparent to anyone who lurked here for half a day. And even if it wasn’t apparent, all they’d have to do

Does it?  I read it to be "EBAY MERCHANDISE" as in, something with the logo.. (just to split hairs) is an auction ebay mechandise? no- but an ebay agogo pager or clock, or sweatshirt or cap or copies of the old magazine- yes,.,.

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I think it’s "Ameche".  It was either Don Ameche, or Alexander Graham Bell. They look so much alike. –Jericho "You’ll shoot yer eye out, kid!  Ho, Ho, Ho!"

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "Things change." I think that was Don Amiche(SP?) (in "Things Change".

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Ok, I have to bite what is a "killfile"  TIA

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The charter states that E-Bay advertisements are allowed, so to report people to their ISP is a waste of time.  Most ISP’s couldn’t care less anyway unless you’re making threats, racial remarks, etc.  People just don’t seem to get it.  Most trolls (Doris) simply attempt to incite responses. Just ignore them and they’ll go away.  Or better yet, use your KillFile. no, it permits advertising of ‘ebay merchandise’ I say- the definition of which, is arguable.. (in the NG favor)

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Accounts are cheap (litterally; they are often free). Losing one is really no big deal.

A news account yes. But an ISP would be sort of a thorn in the side at minimum. To DorisArthur, it probably wouldn’t be the first loss of an account. Such people really don’t just do this on only one occasion; it’s a pattern over a period of time. We obviously aren’t the first to be graced with his/her antics. A quick check of Deja shows that.

Which antics? The weird sense of humor or the spontaneous combustion. From the posts I saw, this is the only place she’s "gone off" so far (although I didn’t actually go through all of those MJ posts). 5000C

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One of the problems that newsgroups face is the ignorance of newbies. If they would lurk for a while, instead of just subscribe and then start posting immediately, they would get a feel for what’s allowed, and what isn’t. Sort of like a freshman at a party walking up to a group of professors who are involved in a conversation, and just joining right in, without even knowing what they are talking about. Does it justify yanking an account? Accounts are cheap (litterally; they are often free). Losing one is really no big deal. It *should* be a lesson, but it often isn’t. <snip To DorisArthur, it probably wouldn’t be the first loss of an account. Such people really don’t just do this on only one occasion; it’s a pattern over a period of time. We obviously aren’t the first to be graced with his/her antics. A quick check of Deja shows that.

There is one exception to replacing one ISP with another, if Doris had a high speed connection.  BellSouth is the only affordable provider of such for a large part of their area, so if she had one & lost it, it would be back to the dial-ups for a long, long time. I don’t know if she did or not, but would find it very hard to blame anyone but Doris for her trouble. I managed to join this newsgroup a short time ago without my aol account bursting into flames, although some people might claim that that doesn’t really qualify as a good thing. Still, one way or another, our ol’pal Doris seems to be gone. Susan

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We’ve just replaced Bill Funk’s post to alt.marketing.online.ebay with new Folger’s Crystals. Let’s see if anyone notices: Anyway if I read it correctly it’s proposing a new group with a much more restrictive charter than here. Why can’t the rules just be changed for this group? To the best of my knowledge, the charter can’t be changed once adopted.

Sure it can. Write a new one, and send out the control message. I’m sure if you’re "supposed to" add the word BOOSTER to the new control message or not. Regardless, once the control message is sent, it is archived at the site mentioned elsewhere in this thread and can be seen by all.  Kate: "Why didn’t you just say no?"  Drew: "They would have found some other way to screw me. They always find a    way to screw me. I’m the System’s bitch."   —The Drew Carey Show

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Now tell us about Cynthia. 5000C

Ah yes, Cynthia…well, it was way back in the Spring of 1922….. — Paul Melzer      P. O. Box 1143    ~or~     12 E. Vine St. Redlands, California 92373   U. S. A.  (909) 792-7299 Member: Antiquarian Booksellers’ Association of America; International League of Antiquarian Booksellers; Manuscript Society

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To the best of my knowledge, the charter can’t be changed once adopted. Well that explains it. To adress the original question: It seems to be understood that the present newsgroup has changed from the original charter Ok I’m confused again.

"Things change." I think that was Don Amiche(SP?) (in "Things Change". It happens. The charter says one thing, but the newsgroup, as it is today, says another. Since the newsgroup is actually made up of the participants, and not the charter, the newsgroup takes on the ‘personality’ of the participants. Given that, why would someone want to draw that static by placing an ad where it was understood to be not wanted? Maybe they didn’t understand that? Does that justify trying to yank their account?

One of the problems that newsgroups face is the ignorance of newbies. If they would lurk for a while, instead of just subscribe and then start posting immediately, they would get a feel for what’s allowed, and what isn’t. Sort of like a freshman at a party walking up to a group of professors who are involved in a conversation, and just joining right in, without even knowing what they are talking about. Does it justify yanking an account? Accounts are cheap (litterally; they are often free). Losing one is really no big deal. It *should* be a lesson, but it often isn’t. Just see the comments here about how a suspension by Ebay doesn’t deter those who want to rip off others. To a conscientious seller, a suspension can be downright traumatic. To the ripoff artist, it’s almost a badge of honor. To DorisArthur, it probably wouldn’t be the first loss of an account. Such people really don’t just do this on only one occasion; it’s a pattern over a period of time. We obviously aren’t the first to be graced with his/her antics. A quick check of Deja shows that. 5000C

Bill Funk bfunk1 on Ebay

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To the best of my knowledge, the charter can’t be changed once adopted.

Well that explains it. To adress the original question: It seems to be understood that the present newsgroup has changed from the original charter

Ok I’m confused again. Given that, why would someone want to draw that static by placing an ad where it was understood to be not wanted?

Maybe they didn’t understand that? Does that justify trying to yank their account? 5000C

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I meant to say Doris, not Cynthia. Sorry.

No problem. I wasn’t specifically referring to Doris. Now tell us about Cynthia. 5000C

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I think you mean Doris/Arthur, not Cynthia. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Why then don’t you change the charter? At least then when you try to yank someone’s ISP, you’ve got a legitimate basis for it. 5000C The "seller" was trying to hack her/his wares (chocolates, ebay magazines and, for an extra five bucks, *grits*) directly to the folks here in this discussion news group–not even posting a link to an auction. I can’t see how this should be defended, it has nothing to do with the charter (except that it was in violation of it). And what she/he (I say "he/she" because I believe Cynthia was a black woman about as much as I believe I live on top Mount Everest.) was doing was pretty much akin to spam, anyway. I think Cynthia felt persecuted because she was scolded (nicely at first) about hawking to this newsgroup. Speaking for myself, I didn’t think she was being sensible about it. She just reacted with vitriol, and if at this point she’s left, so be it. PM — Paul Melzer      P. O. Box 1143    ~or~     12 E. Vine St. Redlands, California 92373   U. S. A.  (909) 792-7299 Member: Antiquarian Booksellers’ Association of America; International League of Antiquarian Booksellers; Manuscript Society

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I meant to say Doris, not Cynthia. Sorry. PM – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Why then don’t you change the charter? At least then when you try to yank someone’s ISP, you’ve got a legitimate basis for it. 5000C The "seller" was trying to hack her/his wares (chocolates, ebay magazines and, for an extra five bucks, *grits*) directly to the folks here in this discussion news group–not even posting a link to an auction. I can’t see how this should be defended, it has nothing to do with the charter (except that it was in violation of it). And what she/he (I say "he/she" because I believe Cynthia was a black woman about as much as I believe I live on top Mount Everest.) was doing was pretty much akin to spam, anyway. I think Cynthia felt persecuted because she was scolded (nicely at first) about hawking to this newsgroup. Speaking for myself, I didn’t think she was being sensible about it. She just reacted with vitriol, and if at this point she’s left, so be it. PM — Paul Melzer      P. O. Box 1143    ~or~     12 E. Vine St. Redlands, California 92373   U. S. A.  (909) 792-7299 Member: Antiquarian Booksellers’ Association of America; International League of Antiquarian Booksellers; Manuscript Society

– Paul Melzer      P. O. Box 1143    ~or~     12 E. Vine St. Member: Antiquarian Booksellers’ Association of America; International League of Antiquarian Booksellers; Manuscript Society

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Why then don’t you change the charter? At least then when you try to yank someone’s ISP, you’ve got a legitimate basis for it. 5000C

The "seller" was trying to hack her/his wares (chocolates, ebay magazines and, for an extra five bucks, *grits*) directly to the folks here in this discussion news group–not even posting a link to an auction. I can’t see how this should be defended, it has nothing to do with the charter (except that it was in violation of it). And what she/he (I say "he/she" because I believe Cynthia was a black woman about as much as I believe I live on top Mount Everest.) was doing was pretty much akin to spam, anyway. I think Cynthia felt persecuted because she was scolded (nicely at first) about hawking to this newsgroup. Speaking for myself, I didn’t think she was being sensible about it. She just reacted with vitriol, and if at this point she’s left, so be it. PM — Paul Melzer      P. O. Box 1143    ~or~     12 E. Vine St. Redlands, California 92373   U. S. A.  (909) 792-7299 Member: Antiquarian Booksellers’ Association of America; International League of Antiquarian Booksellers; Manuscript Society

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Also, more people get the Big 8 groups than alt.* and we wanted to make it easier for everyone to read the group…

  Given the fact that many ISPs now outsource news to giganews, supernews, and other news providers — providers who get every newsgroup, even the annoying spamhaus free.* heirarchy — I can’t see this being a very valid reason.  There’s some other things I could mention as well, but I have a feeling that Jay Denebeim has brought them up already.    Stacia  *  The Avocado Avenger  *  Life is a tale told by an idiot;      http://www.io.com/~stacia/    *      Full of sound and fury,    There is no guacamole anywhere. *        Signifying nothing.

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No one’s trying to moderate the group; however a newsgroup is a community. When someone comes in and disrupts that community, they should expect the residents to react. Sounds like attempted moderation to me.

  Sounds like people being allowed to speak their minds to me.   A truly well-moderated group would have allowed almost all recent posts through, anyways.  A moderator should do little except weed out spam, blatantly abusive posts (very handy in support and abuse groups), and make sure that posts are getting to the group. Why then don’t you change the charter? At least then when you try to yank someone’s ISP, you’ve got a legitimate basis for it.

  Anyone can complain to someone’s ISP, regardless of Usenet charters.  I doubt that there’s more than 2 sysadmins in the world who even know what a Usenet charter *is*, let alone care.   An ISP will determine if someone’s account should be yanked based on whether the user violated the ISPs Terms of Service (TOS) or not.  Some ISPs carry a TOS policy which includes certain Usenet rules, but I have yet to see someone get yanked just for violating a charter.  A spammer, or someone posting huge binaries to non-binary groups, maybe, but not someone who once just maybe violated the charter of a Usenet newsgroup.    Stacia  *  The Avocado Avenger  *  Life is a tale told by an idiot;      http://www.io.com/~stacia/    *      Full of sound and fury,    There is no guacamole anywhere. *        Signifying nothing.

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Why can’t the rules just be changed for this group?

As a practical matter, it is not really possible to change a charter for an alt.* group. The charter is sent along with the first control message, and remains for (essentially) all eternity. There is no mechanism to put forth any change. -Bob

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Take a look at the post in news.announce.newgroups referred to in the sig line at the bottom of this post. That was a bit tricky to find since it shows up in Deja under news.groups. Anyway if I read it correctly it’s proposing a new group with a much more restrictive charter than here. Why can’t the rules just be changed for this group? 5000C

To the best of my knowledge, the charter can’t be changed once adopted. To adress the original question: It seems to be understood that the present newsgroup has changed from the original charter (not the least because of the existance of alt.marketplace.online.ebay), and adds here draw a lot of static. Given that, why would someone want to draw that static by placing an ad where it was understood to be not wanted? Bill Funk bfunk1 on Ebay

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The charter states that E-Bay advertisements are allowed, so to report people to their ISP is a waste of time.  Most ISP’s couldn’t care less anyway unless you’re making threats, racial remarks, etc.  People just don’t seem to get it.  Most trolls (Doris) simply attempt to incite responses. Just ignore them and they’ll go away.  Or better yet, use your KillFile.

no, it permits advertising of ‘ebay merchandise’ I say- the definition of which, is arguable.. (in the NG favor)

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Isn’t there an Ebay marketplace newsgroup where people can post things for sale on Ebay?  Why get all worked up when a few people confuse us with them.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Take a look at the post in news.announce.newgroups referred to in the sig line at the bottom of this post. <snip Why then don’t you change the charter? At least then when you try to yank someone’s ISP, you’ve got a legitimate basis for it. 5000C <snip — If you’re interested in voting on the possible creation of a new online auction newsgroup, please see the article entitled "CFV: misc. business.online-auctions.discuss", posted in news.announce.newgroups, for official instructions. Thank you!

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Take a look at the post in news.announce.newgroups referred to in the sig line at the bottom of this post.

That was a bit tricky to find since it shows up in Deja under news.groups. Anyway if I read it correctly it’s proposing a new group with a much more restrictive charter than here. Why can’t the rules just be changed for this group? 5000C

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The charter states that E-Bay advertisements are allowed, so to report people to their ISP is a waste of time.  Most ISP’s couldn’t care less anyway unless you’re making threats, racial remarks, etc.  People just don’t seem to get it.  Most trolls (Doris) simply attempt to incite responses. Just ignore them and they’ll go away.  Or better yet, use your KillFile. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – No one’s trying to moderate the group; however a newsgroup is a community. When someone comes in and disrupts that community, they should expect the residents to react. Sounds like attempted moderation to me. While the original charter does allow ads for eBay auctions, it is generally regarded that this has been superseded by the discussion only. This is obviously apparent to anyone who lurked here for half a day. And even if it wasn’t apparent, all they’d have to do is ask. Why then don’t you change the charter? At least then when you try to yank someone’s ISP, you’ve got a legitimate basis for it. 5000C

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No one’s trying to moderate the group; however a newsgroup is a community. When someone comes in and disrupts that community, they should expect the residents to react.

Sounds like attempted moderation to me. While the original charter does allow ads for eBay auctions, it is generally regarded that this has been superseded by the discussion only. This is obviously apparent to anyone who lurked here for half a day. And even if it wasn’t apparent, all they’d have to do is ask.

Why then don’t you change the charter? At least then when you try to yank someone’s ISP, you’ve got a legitimate basis for it. 5000C

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Take a look at the post in news.announce.newgroups referred to in the sig line at the bottom of this post. <snip Why then don’t you change the charter? At least then when you try to yank someone’s ISP, you’ve got a legitimate basis for it. 5000C <snip

– If you’re interested in voting on the possible creation of a new online auction newsgroup, please see the article entitled "CFV: misc. business.online-auctions.discuss", posted in news.announce.newgroups, for official instructions. Thank you!

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does anyone know of a die cast model of an early (79) 635csi that is being manufactured? Any links would be appreciated. — Pete Moonan http://www.pmoonan.demon.co.uk/

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does anyone know of a die cast model of an early (79) 635csi that is being manufactured? Any links would be appreciated.

BMW do a model of the touring car and a dark blue pre-87 road car. Fujimi and Tamiya(?) made plastic kits which I have been unable to get a hold of yet :-( — Who needs a life when you’ve got Unix? :-)   Scotland Web  : http://www.unixnerd.demon.co.uk – The Ultimate BMW Homepage!

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I know Minichamps made this model, road and track.

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does anyone know of a die cast model of an early (79) 635csi that is being manufactured? Any links would be appreciated. — Pete Moonan http://www.pmoonan.demon.co.uk/

Go to ebay online auction and do a search on "BMW" There are usually hundreds of very rare BMW models for sale. The last time I looked there were several sixer’s listed — The Candyman dogma’s a bitch

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Hello, I am looking into slide projectors, and I would like some input on what to look for. My budget is slight, and I am not looking for the top of the line. My needs are simple, and I just want the basics, so what should I look for? Thanks, Mike

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Autofocus, available supplies, etc. I would recommend a used Kodak for these reasons.

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Just few ideas about slide projectors… good to know before purchase! 1) Slide projectors use round trays (primarily Kodak), or straight trays (most German made projectors: Leica, Braun, Reflecta.. also non-german Vivitar.). The rotary trays usually holds 80 thick slides or 140 thin slides. The straight trays can hold between 36 and 100 slides depending on the system selected, and on the thickness of slide frames. The most popular "straight" tray systems are "standard" – holds 36 or 50 thick slides, Leica’s LKM system, hold 60 or 80 slides, Agfa’s CS systems (Reflecta) up to 100 slides, Paximat, etc. 2) It is good to know that most straight tray projectors can run rotary trays either directly, or with an adapter. I am not aware that Kodak projectors will run straight trays (somebody correct me if I am wrong) 3) Some slide projectors can run on both 110 and 220 V (Reflecta?) 4) Autofocus? Most newer models have it, including AF override. 5) Monitor? Some Reflecta and Braun models have built-in large monitors (screen up to 9"x9") that is folded down during normal projectrions (on the big screen). The monitor can be unfolded, and the slides viewed directly on the monitor. 6) Remote? either wired or IR is available. Some include a light pointer. 7) Kodak slide projectors often cost more than German projectors, however, in the US there are many more Kodak’s, so you can get used one easily. I have seen Kodak 4400 with a zoom lens to be sold on eBay under $100. (New 4400 with a normal lens runs for~ $300) 8) Replacement bulb for Kodak projectors cost about $15, for Leica it is only $7. 9) Lenses for slide projectors could be bought separatelly, as needed, however, most people end up with one lens somewhere between 70 and 125 mm. 10) Checkthe  web sites ofr projector manufacturers (I remember for Reflecta only: www.bogenphoto.com) but you will have no problem to locate Leica or Vivitar. 11) Check the mail order companies Adorama and B&H and theri web sites. Igor

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Beware of plastic bulb holders.  My Leitz Pradovit 250IR was fitted with one and due to poor contact with the sliding contacts carrying the 10+ amps to the 24v 250watt bulb, surprise, surprise it melted – jamming the 2-bulb rotating bulb holder in one position.  This happened after about 60 hours light amateur use.  Other faults at the same time were a broken slide change mechanism. Make sure that you can over-ride any AF mechanism.  The 250IR doesn’t have this feature.  The AF on the above is fine when it works but I’ve had serious problems with plastic mounted Kodachrome slides taking up a rippled rather than a smooth curved shape.  The ripples cause total confusion with the AF and it hunts and hunts until you hit the manual focus button. Annoyingly, the ripples may only appear after a few seconds of projection lulling one into a false sense of security. M S          UK. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Autofocus, available supplies, etc. I would recommend a used Kodak for these reasons.

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I am looking into slide projectors, and I would like some input on what to look for. My budget is slight, and I am not looking for the top of the line. My needs are simple, and I just want the basics, so what should I look for?

Kodak Carousels are the most popular (in this part of the world), and have a proven design and a decent reliability record, so it should be easy to find a good used one for a decent price if you look around.  Try looking at EBay online auctions (http://www.ebay.com), or post an ad on rec.photo.marketplace telling what you’re looking for, and also look at garage sales in your area.   In my opinion, autofocus is overkill unless you’re giving a professional presentation or something, but remote control (including remote focusing if possible) would be very nice to have.  Replacement projector lamps are hard to find and kind of expensive, so to keep them working for as long as possible, let them cool down by themselves, without running the fan, unless you absolutely have to move the projector soon after you’re finished using it.  And try not to touch them with your fingers and get oil from your skin on them when you’re putting a new one in, because that may cause them to break when they get hot. And get a flat-field lens instead of a curved-field one, unless all your slides are in the old-fashioned cardboard mounts that let the film "bow out" in just the right way.  Several companies make lenses for Kodak projectors, and from the research I’ve done, most of the other companies’ lenses are better than Kodak lenses.  If you’re not sure how large a room you’re going to be projecting in, or plan on using it in several different places, then a zoom lens may be handy; otherwise just get something around 100mm f2.8.   Most people say you should have a projection screen, but I’ve had decent results projecting on a white wall or door.  You’ll really be amazed how nice the colors look, just like you’re actually "there" or even better. Being able to look at a bunch of old slides this way is the next best thing to having a time machine, I think. — Brandon Wayne Campbell http://people.unt.edu/~brandonc/

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Slide projectors?  In the United States, the corporate standard is essentially the Kodak Carousel.  As previously posted, they have a 80 or a 140 slide tray,–those are commonly available EVERYWHERE.  (The 140s are just TOO many slides in 360 degrees of tray).  The Kodak’s direct exhaust air over the slides that are about to be projected, a sort of ‘prewarming’ that is supposed to reduce the ‘pop’ effect that is manifested in some other projectors as a cold slide gets warmed up suddenly when it’s being projected (the point where you DON’T want it to change its focus point). Other manufacturers’ products in the States include the Sawyer and other odd makes,–they all take the 100 slide circular trays and/or a stack loader.  I personally like the 100 slide trays of these non-Kodak projectors.  With the Kodaks,–the 80s are too few,–the 140s too many.  I run into some trouble at times finding trays so that is a problem. Go with the Kodaks.  Try eBay or other sources for used ones,–there are so many you should be able to get a good unit for a decent price and they’re easy on your slides!

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Most universities have departments dedicated to the redistribution and liquidation of surplus equipment. You might want to see about what they have there, and how you could go about buying one. If they don’t have any, ask what surplus equipment dealer they sell to.

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I am loking for a used slide projector. Now I have 3 ads in front of me. One is Kodak 4400, asking $250 canadian; one is Kodak 4600, asking $100 canadian; and another is Ektographic AF2, asking $250 canadian again. Which one is good deal? Advice needed. Thank you!

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I am loking for a used slide projector. Now I have 3 ads in front of me. One is Kodak 4400, asking $250 canadian; one is Kodak 4600, asking $100 canadian; and another is Ektographic AF2, asking $250 canadian again. Which one is good deal? Advice needed. Thank you!

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And for a third option: Wait and get a used Kodak Ektagraphic III, I have nine of them. Just get somebody else’s lenses. You find them regularly at r.p.m. and eBay. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am loking for a used slide projector. Now I have 3 ads in front of me. One is Kodak 4400, asking $250 canadian; one is Kodak 4600, asking $100 canadian; and another is Ektographic AF2, asking $250 canadian again. Which one is good deal? Advice needed. Thank you!

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Is it just me or does ebay(online auction place) really suck.  The way I understand they work is that if your selling something you can set a minimum $$$ that you will sell X for and then people bid for a # of days.  The strange thing is if your minimum limit is not met you don’t have to sell X !?!?! Well call me STUPID but this seems really great for the seller who might get more than he was going to sell X for anyway and really shitty for the buyer! I thought the whole point of buying auction item was getting the BELOW  the usual used price! The only time you might happen to find a good deal is if someone just really wants to get rid of something I guess? Why would anyone use Ebay? Chris

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Chris, If you have ever seen an auction of an expensive item on television you will occaisionally hear the word ‘reserve’ floating around.  The ‘reserve’ is the absolute minimum price that the seller will accept for the item. The purpose of this is to protect the seller who has the right to obtain a good price for their item.  If I want to sell a $3000 drumkit via auction, I may want to ensure that I receive at least $750 for it… anything over and above that is bonus.  Most reserves are low and there are only rare occaisions when you will find that you have not exceeded the reserve. In many auction houses the reserve price is not published – if bidding exceeds the reserve the item is sold, if the bidding closes below the reserve then the item is witheld by the seller… the bidders will not know the reserve, they will only be told if they have not reached the reserve price at the end of bidding. I hope that helps, Rich – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Is it just me or does ebay(online auction place) really suck.  The way I understand they work is that if your selling something you can set a minimum $$$ that you will sell X for and then people bid for a # of days.  The strange thing is if your minimum limit is not met you don’t have to sell X !?!?! Well call me STUPID but this seems really great for the seller who might get more than he was going to sell X for anyway and really shitty for the buyer! I thought the whole point of buying auction item was getting the BELOW  the usual used price! The only time you might happen to find a good deal is if someone just really wants to get rid of something I guess? Why would anyone use Ebay? Chris

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<snipped! Well call me STUPID

Stupid! Why would anyone use Ebay?

The question should be, Why would someone pay $100 for a $10 item? That would make two stupid people! MRL

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Is it just me or does ebay(online auction place) really suck.  The way I understand they work is that if your selling something you can set a minimum $$$ that you will sell X for and then people bid for a # of days.  The strange thing is if your minimum limit is not met you don’t have to sell X !?!?!

Ummm…it is an AUCTION! That’s how they WORK! You, the buyer, get to say "I’ll pay more than that clown," OR, "That clown is paying too much, hardee  har har!". The seller gets the best price. If * you were* the seller isn’t that what you would want? AND if you were the seller, and you couldn’t get a minimum price for your object, wouldn’t you decide to hold on to it? Are you suggesting that a seller at auction should be REQUIRED to let go of his item at a low low price JUST BECAUSE it was OFFERED at the auction? Dan

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Is it just me or does ebay(online auction place) really suck.

It’s just you. I thought the whole point of buying auction item was getting the BELOW  the usual used price!

No, that’s what you HOPE will happen as a buyer.  Some people are aware of the going prices so that if the bidding gets to high they can back out and let one of the suckers buy it. Why would anyone use Ebay?

I’ve never used it as a seller, but I’ve purchased items thru it a bunch of times.  In each case I check the history and watch the going prices for a while so I know what to expect.  Then I start watching specific auctions until I find one that stays below what I consider to be fair market value.  To do well at ebay, you must have done your homework, be willing to walk if the bidding gets to high, and be willing to wait for the good deal. —                                                 Brett Carver                                                 (707) 577-4344

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The purpose of this is to protect the seller who has the right to obtain a good price for their item.  If I want to sell a $3000 drumkit via auction, I may want to ensure that I receive at least $750 for it… anything over and above that is bonus.  Most reserves are low and there are only rare occaisions when you will find that you have not exceeded the reserve.

I don’t think anyone with a drum set worth $3000 is going to have a reserve that low, on any of these online auctions… Outt.. Jeff.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Is it just me or does ebay(online auction place) really suck.  The way I understand they work is that if your selling something you can set a minimum $$$ that you will sell X for and then people bid for a # of days.  The strange thing is if your minimum limit is not met you don’t have to sell X !?!?! Well call me STUPID but this seems really great for the seller who might get more than he was going to sell X for anyway and really shitty for the buyer! I thought the whole point of buying auction item was getting the BELOW  the usual used price! The only time you might happen to find a good deal is if someone just really wants to get rid of something I guess? Why would anyone use Ebay? Chris

I had the same problem with the Rogue music auction a while back.. I bid on a set of Ludwig drums and each time I bid I would get a screen saying "Congratulations you’re the high bidder". The only problem was that the minimum bid was was way more than I could have bought the set around here for, and about twice as much as I was willing to bid anyway.  I asked the guy from from Rogue after he told me I didn’t bid enough, why were you congratulating me if I hadn’t bid enough to actually get the set? He didn’t really have a answer for that…  When I told him they should start the bidding at the lowest price (They started this set at $100 I think..) they would take for the item,  He said that would mess up the whole idea of an auction… I also bid on two Tama cymbal stands at the same time, and I won that one, and I then got an e-mail from the seller trying to get what I bid for each stand, rather than what I bid for both stands… I told him to forget it. Hopefully Rogue has changed the way they do things in their auctions by now… Outt.. Jeff.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Is it just me or does ebay(online auction place) really suck.  The way I understand they work is that if your selling something you can set a minimum $$$ that you will sell X for and then people bid for a # of days.  The strange thing is if your minimum limit is not met you don’t have to sell X !?!?! Ummm…it is an AUCTION! That’s how they WORK! You, the buyer, get to say "I’ll pay more than that clown," OR, "That clown is paying too much, hardee  har har!". The seller gets the best price. If * you were* the seller isn’t that what you would want? AND if you were the seller, and you couldn’t get a minimum price for your object, wouldn’t you decide to hold on to it? Are you suggesting that a seller at auction should be REQUIRED to let go of his item at a low low price JUST BECAUSE it was OFFERED at the auction?

If the reserve on a item is $800 they shouldn’t start the auction off at $100 or lower… Any auction I have ever been to,  the auctioneer starts the bidding at something he thinks is a fair price and only goes lower if nobody bids at his starting price.   At least they should tell you when you bid that you haven’t bid high enough to get the item at that time and not wait until it’s over to tell you.. (Auctioneers do that too…) Outt.. Jeff

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At least they should tell you when you bid that you haven’t bid high enough to get the item at that time and not wait until it’s over to tell you..

They (ebay) already do that.  It’s VERY clear what the starting bid is, what the current bid is, if there is a reserve price (they don’t tell you what the reserve is) and if it has been met. And I do understand WHY people set a low starting price plus a higher reserve (although I don’t personally like it).  People are MUCH more likely to start bidding with a low start and perhaps make it to and past the reserve.  If the starting price is higher, many people will just pass on it (even if they’d have bid that high anyway).  Just part of the fun of dealing with human nature. —                                                 Brett Carver                                                 (707) 577-4344

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So don’t buy anything.  I’ve bought a few things there, and feel I got some good deals.   Sometimes the sellers will accept less than their reserve bid amount.    Dave

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Ummm…it is an AUCTION! That’s how they WORK! You, the buyer, get to say "I’ll pay more than that clown," OR, "That clown is paying too much, hardee  har har!". The seller gets the best price. If * you were* the seller isn’t that what you would want? AND if you were the seller, and you couldn’t get a minimum price for your object, wouldn’t you decide to hold on to it? Are you suggesting that a seller at auction should be REQUIRED to let go of his item at a low low price JUST BECAUSE it was OFFERED at the auction? If the reserve on a item is $800 they shouldn’t start the auction off at $100 or lower…

They have a much better chance of meeting or exceding their reserve if the auction starts obscenely low.  That gets people interested and involved.  I can certainly understand this from the sellers point of view. Any auction I have ever been to,  the auctioneer starts the bidding at something he thinks is a fair price and only goes lower if nobody bids at his starting price.  

Totally different type of auction.  Sounds like a typical estate sell were everything must go no matter how close the price is to actual value.  You can find some killer deals at these at times. At least they should tell you when you bid that you haven’t bid high enough to get the item at that time and not wait until it’s over to tell you.. (Auctioneers do that too…)

At ebay you’re told if you’ve met the reserve or not, so you know through the entire auction if the reserve has been met. Ross

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If the reserve on a item is $800 they shouldn’t start the auction off at $100 or lower… Any auction I have ever been to,  the auctioneer starts the bidding at something he thinks is a fair price and only goes lower if nobody bids at his starting price.   At least they should tell you when you bid that you haven’t bid high enough to get the item at that time and not wait until it’s over to tell you.. (Auctioneers do that too…)

eBay tells you when you have not met the reserve price.  You may have the high bid, but that doesn’t mean you’ve met the reserve.  If you look at the item, right next to the "Current High Bid" it will either say "Reserve Met" or "Reserve Not Met". I, personally think a better way is to start the bidding at the seller’s lowest price, and some people do that, but the reserve seems to be a much more popular way to sell things on eBay. Charles Thomas D-18226

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Buying on E-bay requires you to know what something is worth. Place a bid for the maximum that you would pay for the item, if you win you get a deal, if you don’t win don’t worry it wasn’t a good deal anyway.         Max Newman         "The white zone is for loading and unloading only" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Is it just me or does ebay(online auction place) really suck.  The way I understand they work is that if your selling something you can set a minimum $$$ that you will sell X for and then people bid for a # of days.  The strange thing is if your minimum limit is not met you don’t have to sell X !?!?! Well call me STUPID but this seems really great for the seller who might get more than he was going to sell X for anyway and really shitty for the buyer! I thought the whole point of buying auction item was getting the BELOW the usual used price! The only time you might happen to find a good deal is if someone just really wants to get rid of something I guess? Why would anyone use Ebay? Chris

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Is it just me or does ebay(online auction place) really suck.  The way I understand they work is that if your selling something you can set a minimum $$$ that you will sell X for and then people bid for a # of days.  The strange thing is if your minimum limit is not met you don’t have to sell X !?!?! Well call me STUPID but this seems really great for the seller who might get more than he was going to sell X for anyway and really shitty for the buyer! I thought the whole point of buying auction item was getting the BELOW  the usual used price! The only time you might happen to find a good deal is if someone just really wants to get rid of something I guess? Why would anyone use Ebay? Chris

 To get rid of stuff you can’t sell locally and to find stuff at reasonable prices.  I live in a relatively small town.  I could never have sold a blown Jensen P12R locally but got $20 on Ebay.  I also bought a really nice Gibson Gospel for a fair price.  I will concede that high demand items sometimes go for above market value but you are only going to pay what you’re willing to spend. I think Ebay is great. Lee — Indiana’s best equipped hack guitar player.

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An econ major call tell you about the "winner’s curse" of auctions, which basically means that by definition anyone that wins by making the highest bid is paying more than the market value of the item, since nobody else was willing to pay that much.  Auctions are a great way to maximize price for the seller, and aren’t a very good place to buy unless you are bidding against people that don’t know the value of the item– say on some esoteric thing with collector’s value.  I don’t necessarily beleive the economist’s take on this, since I go to a lot of farm/estate auctions and have bought lots of things for less than $10 and sold them later for hundreds.  But on Ebay you’ll generally find that– as is the case with most auctions with hundreds of potential bidders –most items actually go for more than their "true" value, whatever that means, because bidders get caught up in the competition.  I’ve seen stuff on Ebay go for higher than new prices, only because a couple of idiots don’t know current prices and think they are getting a deal. It’s also annoying as hell to read a FS ad and find only on the last line that it’s Ebay bullshit. -drl — Derek R. Larson           Indiana University       Department of History   "Eastward I go by force, but Westward I go free!"  -H. D. Thoreau

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If the reserve on a item is $800 they shouldn’t start the auction off at $100 or lower… Any auction I have ever been to,  the auctioneer starts the bidding at something he thinks is a fair price and only goes lower if nobody bids at his starting price.   At least they should tell you when you bid that you haven’t bid high enough to get the item at that time and not wait until it’s over to tell you.. (Auctioneers do that too…) eBay tells you when you have not met the reserve price.  You may have the high bid, but that doesn’t mean you’ve met the reserve.  If you look at the item, right next to the "Current High Bid" it will either say "Reserve Met" or "Reserve Not Met". I, personally think a better way is to start the bidding at the seller’s lowest price, and some people do that, but the reserve seems to be a much more popular way to sell things on eBay.

This doesn’t work. The psychology and dynamic of an auction demands that people feel they are getting a deal. If bidders KNOW that they are paying more than the minimum the seller will accept before the bidding even starts, bidding is instantly inhibited. Dan

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An econ major call tell you about the "winner’s curse" of auctions, which basically means that by definition anyone that wins by making the highest bid is paying more than the market value of the item, since nobody else was willing to pay that much.  

Whoa! Big overgeneralization here. Anyone that wins by making the highest bid? I don’t think so. The winning bidder was willing to pay more than anyone who happened to be paying attention to that particular auction. There are tons of auctions that significantly undercut market value. I would imagine that the "winner’s curse" as you put it, happens infrequently.   Auctions are a great way to maximize price for the seller, and aren’t a very good place to buy unless you are bidding against people that don’t know the value of the item– say on some esoteric thing with collector’s value.  I don’t necessarily beleive the economist’s take on this, since I go to a lot of farm/estate auctions and have bought lots of things for less than $10 and sold them later for hundreds.  But on Ebay you’ll generally find that– as is the case with most auctions with hundreds of potential bidders –most items actually go for more than their "true" value, whatever that means, because bidders get caught up in the competition.  I’ve seen stuff on Ebay go for higher than new prices, only because a couple of idiots don’t know current prices and think they are getting a deal.

Again, you speak of the minority. I give people more credit than you do. Love, Chris

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An econ major call tell you about the "winner’s curse" of auctions, which basically means that by definition anyone that wins by making the highest bid is paying more than the market value of the item, since nobody else was willing to pay that much.

I understand the point you’re making that "in the strictest definition"… blah, blah.  It also assumes that everyone in the market has access to the auction which is NEVER the case. For example, I recently bought a $150 name-brand tent for $50 on eBay.  It had never been used.  I could never buy a tent for that little in a store, so I feel I got a good deal.  Plus I love that I can, in effect, look for deals from the entire US’s classifieds at eBay, rather just from the Madison, WI classifieds. Charles Thomas Guitarist: "Hotter Than Karl" Madison, WI

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An econ major call tell you about the "winner’s curse" of auctions, which basically means that by definition anyone that wins by making the highest bid is paying more than the market value of the item, since nobody else was willing to pay that much.  

I don’t think that a single sale is enough of a sample to generalize about any market. I would think the econ major would be somewhat concerned that the sample size was large enough to have some validity. {snip…} … I go to a lot of farm/estate auctions and have bought lots of things for less than $10 and sold them later for hundreds.  

That is a different kind of auction in that a wide variety of items (ranging from farm implements to cookware and back again) is offered to the same group of buyers (whoever showed up), many of whom didn’t show up to bid on the items that might interest you… so you end up with a real small set of potential buyers for a lot of items…. unless the price is way low where people with only a casual interest might be willing to bid. Auctions like eBay appeal to a large set of potential buyers (because we don’t have to wait through the sale of the flatware and the ox-drawn cultivator). That’s why the prices are high: a large body of bidders. But on Ebay you’ll generally find that– as is the case with most auctions with hundreds of potential bidders –most items actually go for more than their "true" value, whatever that means, because bidders get caught up in the competition.  I’ve seen stuff on Ebay go for higher than new prices, only because a couple of idiots don’t know current prices and think they are getting a deal.

Ain’t mobs fun? It’s also annoying as hell to read a FS ad and find only on the last line that it’s Ebay bullshit.

I don’t mind an ad that points me to the auction, but I would never respond to one of those "Only 2 days, 3 hours and 17 min. until its gone" followed by "Just 2 days, 3 hours and 16 min. before this baby sells" ads. Posters really aught to get the clue that if they are obnoxious with their ads they will alieniate people and that is probably a bad thing for a seller to do. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – -drl — Derek R. Larson           Indiana University       Department of History   "Eastward I go by force, but Westward I go free!"  -H. D. Thoreau

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Is it just me or does ebay(online auction place) really suck.  The way I understand they work is that if your selling something you can set a minimum $$$ that you will sell X for and then people bid for a # of days.  The strange thing is if your minimum limit is not met you don’t have to sell X !?!?! Well call me STUPID but this seems really great for the seller who might get more than he was going to sell X for anyway and really shitty for the buyer! I thought the whole point of buying auction item was getting the BELOW  the usual used price! The only time you might happen to find a good deal is if someone just really wants to get rid of something I guess? Why would anyone use Ebay? Chris I thought Ebay was great until I started getting bill after bill sent to me

to pay them even though I had actually paid them months before.  I told them over and over they had been paid by me and finally received a letter about 6 months later letting me know that they had received my payment.  Then about a month later I was sent another bill via my E-mail saying I owed them money again.  I, for obvious reasons, haven’t gone back to Ebay since I received the second payment notice.  I feel like they are just trying to make another buck. SCAM!  Has anyone else had to deal with this problem?

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An econ major call tell you about the "winner’s curse" of auctions, which basically means that by definition anyone that wins by making the highest bid is paying more than the market value of the item, since nobody else was willing to pay that much.

    I’m afraid smart econ majors wouldn’t phrase it that way. Auctions have nothing to do with market value. The amount for which an item is sold depends on individuals’ willingness to pay some price X. I’m willing to pay $10 and you’re willing to pay $15. We bid against each other and I quit at $10. You bid $10.01, winning the bid. I don’t get the goods, but assuming the seller is willing to hand the item over for $10.01, a fair transaction between buyer and seller.    However, there are similarities to the model "free market" situation. The seller is a "price taker," in that buyers, through bidding, determine the selling price. Because there is a person whose reservation price is higher than others, that person gets the goods and everyone else doesn’t. There is no consumer surplus, as a result, so the auction situation isn’t the kind of "socially beneficial" situation that a free market CAN be. Also, the seller doesn’t have to do any research on the "value" of the item. Instead, the information cost is put entirely on the buyer. In these aspects auctions are a way of redistributing "social surplus" (benefits) from the buyer to the seller. Auctions are a great way to maximize price for the seller, and aren’t a very good place to buy unless you are bidding against people that don’t know the value of the item– say on some esoteric thing with collector’s value.  I don’t necessarily beleive the economist’s take on this, since I go to a lot of farm/estate auctions and have bought lots of things for less than $10 and sold them later for hundreds.  But on Ebay you’ll generally find that– as is the case with most auctions with hundreds of potential bidders –most items actually go for more than their "true" value, whatever that means, because bidders get caught up in the competition.  I’ve seen stuff on Ebay go for higher than new prices, only because a couple of idiots don’t know current prices and think they are getting a deal.

    The big problem with this argument is that "value" is impossible to pin down. Are you talking about the Marxist "use value," market value (for some specific place at a moment in time), or some notion of value inscribed on stone tablets handed down from the gods? The way you talk about your own transactions, it sounds like you talk about the "value added" idea that something is worth what someone is willing to pay for it. In that case, you’re being blatantly hypocritical.    Yeah, some people end up spending huge amounts of money on stuff I think is worthless, but that’s a testament to the subjectivity of value, and I can’t rightfully complain that I was cheated out of a deal because someone else bid higher than I did. Colin odden

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Hear, Hear!!!!!! Chris – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – An econ major call tell you about the "winner’s curse" of auctions, which basically means that by definition anyone that wins by making the highest bid is paying more than the market value of the item, since nobody else was willing to pay that much.  Auctions are a great way to maximize price for the seller, and aren’t a very good place to buy unless you are bidding against people that don’t know the value of the item– say on some esoteric thing with collector’s value.  I don’t necessarily beleive the economist’s take on this, since I go to a lot of farm/estate auctions and have bought lots of things for less than $10 and sold them later for hundreds.  But on Ebay you’ll generally find that– as is the case with most auctions with hundreds of potential bidders –most items actually go for more than their "true" value, whatever that means, because bidders get caught up in the competition.  I’ve seen stuff on Ebay go for higher than new prices, only because a couple of idiots don’t know current prices and think they are getting a deal. It’s also annoying as hell to read a FS ad and find only on the last line that it’s Ebay bullshit. -drl — Derek R. Larson           Indiana University       Department of History  "Eastward I go by force, but Westward I go free!"  -H. D. Thoreau

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – An econ major call tell you about the "winner’s curse" of auctions, which basically means that by definition anyone that wins by making the highest bid is paying more than the market value of the item, since nobody else was willing to pay that much.     I’m afraid smart econ majors wouldn’t phrase it that way. Auctions have nothing to do with market value. The amount for which an item is sold depends on individuals’ willingness to pay some price X. I’m willing to pay $10 and you’re willing to pay $15. We bid against each other and I quit at $10. You bid $10.01, winning the bid. I don’t get the goods, but assuming the seller is willing to hand the item over for $10.01, a fair transaction between buyer and seller.    However, there are similarities to the model "free market" situation. The seller is a "price taker," in that buyers, through bidding, determine the selling price. Because there is a person whose reservation price is higher than others, that person gets the goods and everyone else doesn’t. There is no consumer surplus, as a result, so the auction situation isn’t the kind of "socially beneficial" situation that a free market CAN be. Also, the seller doesn’t have to do any research on the "value" of the item. Instead, the information cost is put entirely on the buyer. In these aspects auctions are a way of redistributing "social surplus" (benefits) from the buyer to the seller. Auctions are a great way to maximize price for the seller, and aren’t a very good place to buy unless you are bidding against people that don’t know the value of the item– say on some esoteric thing with collector’s value.  I don’t necessarily beleive the economist’s take on this, since I go to a lot of farm/estate auctions and have bought lots of things for less than $10 and sold them later for hundreds.  But on Ebay you’ll generally find that– as is the case with most auctions with hundreds of potential bidders –most items actually go for more than their "true" value, whatever that means, because bidders get caught up in the competition.  I’ve seen stuff on Ebay go for higher than new prices, only because a couple of idiots don’t know current prices and think they are getting a deal.     The big problem with this argument is that "value" is impossible to pin down. Are you talking about the Marxist "use value," market value (for some specific place at a moment in time), or some notion of value inscribed on stone tablets handed down from the gods? The way you talk about your own transactions, it sounds like you talk about the "value added" idea that something is worth what someone is willing to pay for it. In that case, you’re being blatantly hypocritical.    Yeah, some people end up spending huge amounts of money on stuff I think is worthless, but that’s a testament to the subjectivity of value, and I can’t rightfully complain that I was cheated out of a deal because someone else bid higher than I did. Colin odden

Please, explain the social benefits of creating surplus goods if you will.

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Please, explain the social benefits of creating surplus goods if you will.

Stuff costs less and more people have jobs so they can make a living. Later, Andrew Mullhaupt

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You got it! Good for the seller, bad for the buyer.

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