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I am a newbe. I recently listed an item with a buy now price in a category (ladies jackets) that has 33324 listing. obviously my items are lost. What is the best strategy for listing my jackets so that they have a chance of being seen and sold. Thanks, Rodger  Posted Via Usenet.com Premium Usenet Newsgroup Services     ** SPEED ** RETENTION ** COMPLETION ** ANONYMITY **                 http://www.usenet.com

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I am a newbe. I recently listed an item with a buy now price in a category (ladies jackets) that has 33324 listing. obviously my items are lost. What is the best strategy for listing my jackets so that they have a chance of being seen and sold. Thanks, Rodger

You can waste your money on "listing upgrades" or you can sell your stuff in the trenches with the rest of us. Otherwise, have a yard sale. Ed

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I am a newbe. I recently listed an item with a buy now price in a category (ladies jackets) that has 33324 listing…

What is a 33324 listing? Craig

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I am a newbe. I recently listed an item with a buy now price in a category (ladies jackets) that has 33324 listing… What is a 33324 listing?

EEEZA, of course. david — http://tinyurl.com/cq76v (ebay sales) http://www.cafepress.com/derbarbier http://shops.half.ebay.com/derbarbier

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I am a newbe. I recently listed an item with a buy now price in a category (ladies jackets) that has 33324 listing… What is a 33324 listing?

I think he means his item is in a category with 33,324 other items and he’s worried his listing won’t be noticed. Ed

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I am a newbe. I recently listed an item with a buy now price in a category (ladies jackets) that has 33324 listing. obviously my items are lost. What is the best strategy for listing my jackets so that they have a chance of being seen and sold. Thanks, Rodger  Posted Via Usenet.com Premium Usenet Newsgroup Services     ** SPEED ** RETENTION ** COMPLETION ** ANONYMITY **                 http://www.usenet.com

What possible point would there be in listing an item that has ANY COMPETITORS WHATSOEVER? http://www.tinaja.com/glib/ebaysell.pdf — Many thanks, Don Lancaster                          voice phone: (928)428-4073 Synergetics   3860 West First Street   Box 809 Thatcher, AZ 85552 Please visit my GURU’s LAIR web site at http://www.tinaja.com

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What possible point would there be in listing an item that has ANY COMPETITORS WHATSOEVER?

uh … selling it? Ed

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I am a newbe. I recently listed an item with a buy now price in a category (ladies jackets) that has 33324 listing. obviously my items are lost. What is the best strategy for listing my jackets so that they have a chance of being seen and sold. Thanks, Rodger  Posted Via Usenet.com Premium Usenet Newsgroup Services     ** SPEED ** RETENTION ** COMPLETION ** ANONYMITY **                 http://www.usenet.com

Put ” FREE SHIPPING" in the Title

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I am a newbe. I recently listed an item with a buy now price in a category (ladies jackets) that has 33324 listing. obviously my items are lost. What is the best strategy for listing my jackets so that they have a chance of being seen and sold. Thanks, Rodger

Don’t worry. Buyers are unlikely to be browsing through a category that large. Most of them will use keyword searches. Make sure your keywords are pertinent and your auctions will be found.  Don’t waste Everything I know, and then some: http://www.auctionmyths.com

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – liberal. I fully admit I’ve been anti Bush (Jr) from the start.  I always considered myself a moderate Republican, but I now question whether I’ve swung to the left or if baby Bush is so far right that the center has moved way to the right. I’m convinced that "GW’s Beneficial Accomplishments" will be a contender for the The World’s Shortest Book – along with THINGS I CANNOT AFFORD by Bill Gates THINGS I WOULD NOT DO FOR MONEY by Dennis Rodman AMERICA’S MOST POPULAR LAWYERS FINDING THE REAL KILLERS by   O. J. Simpson

I probably show have included: ETHICAL COIN DEALERS GREAT MUSIC AS PERFORMED BY KENNY G USEFUL HELP THAT I’VE RECEIVED FROM EBAY

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – the real issue was GW Bush wanted to get back at Hussein for trying to kill GHW Bush when he was in office. What nonsense. If you really believe that, I suppose you’ll believe anything. Neil So true – everyone knows it was all about oil. <GUFFAW! Yes, "everyone knows" that. It’s the other mantra and has been repeated just as often. Hint – there are many other countries with leaders as bad a Saddam, but no one is considering  invasions  to "free"  those people. I agree with you there. There are far worse threats than Saddam ever was, e.g. North Korea. I suppose Iraq was considered "do-able" while N.K. was not. And the idea of giving democracy a start in that part of the Middle East would be good if it were possible to carry out. Bottom line – it’s all the Bush spin that many are finally coming around to see through.  Unfortunately, Bush & company significantly underestimated the  repercussions (as typically of most of his shoot-from-the-hip "leadership". Well, you’re anti-Bush and that strongly colors your perception of these things. I think the war was probably a mistake, but then I think *most* of the wars the U.S. has gotten into over the last 150 years were mistakes, some of them much bigger mistakes than this. Any war is a mistake that lacks sufficient support on the home front, that’s practically automatic. Neil liberal. I fully admit I’ve been anti Bush (Jr) from the start.  I always considered myself a moderate Republican, but I now question whether I’ve swung to the left or if baby Bush is so far right that the center has moved way to the right.

Bush II certainly has taken some positions that I don’t regard as confidence-inspiring. He said something to the effect that God told him to invade Iraq (I may not have that exactly right but it’s close), which I found dismaying to say the least. And his reluctance or refusal to seriously attempt to protect our own borders from illegals is puzzling as well as dismaying, as is his promoting some sort of amnesty scheme which he says is "not amnesty." That said, I’m still glad he got him instead of Gore or Kerry. I think it was Bush’s immense good fortune that the Democrats simply could not or would not field a non-repulsive candidate. Most of all, I am glad Bush is the one nominating Supreme Court justices–apart from the Miers debacle, about which the less said the better. The last thing we need is more leftist-liberal activists on SCotUS. And a Democrat wouldn’t have given us the tax cuts either. I’m convinced that "GW’s Beneficial Accomplishments" will be a contender for the The World’s Shortest Book – along with THINGS I CANNOT AFFORD by Bill Gates THINGS I WOULD NOT DO FOR MONEY by Dennis Rodman AMERICA’S MOST POPULAR LAWYERS FINDING THE REAL KILLERS by   O. J. Simpson

<chuckle You may be right there. But there are at least the tax cuts, which I believe have actually boosted revenues and, of course, reversed the slide in the economy. Someone said, "The art of taxation is the art of plucking the goose without killing it." It’s that last part that recent Democrats seem to have trouble getting. Neil

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I agree with you there. There are far worse threats than Saddam ever was, e.g. North Korea. I suppose Iraq was considered "do-able" while N.K. was not. And the idea of giving democracy a start in that part of the Middle East would be good if it were possible to carry out.

Invading Bentonville, Arkansas would have made more sense according to a lot of posts here recently.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – <re; Iraq Bottom line – it’s all the Bush spin that many are finally coming around to see through.  Unfortunately, Bush & company significantly underestimated the  repercussions (as typically of most of his shoot-from-the-hip "leadership". It’s a shame that GW Bush’s people didn’t look at the previous Bush’s plans and intelligence, because GHW Bush’s advisors advised that he (GHW Bush) order a stop at a certain point on the map or insurgencies/civil war/guerrilla warfare would break out. He did stop and it didn’t blow up in his face. GW Bush crossed that line, and every prediction that was made by his daddy’s advisors has come true. So, in retrospect, it’s no wonder that FEMA ignored a complete and comprehensive study about the probable loss of American life…  they were just following their President’s lead. Bill

I had an interesting conversation today, with the wife of a Marine who is stationed in Iraq.   She told me that her husband and the men of his unit are doing their job and are dedicated to doing it well and coming home safe….but to a man, they do NOT support the war itself.   They’re doing a job that they cannot believe they’ve been sent to do.    Meanwhile, she was shipping heavy boxes of goodies to the unit, and holding a small child that needed to go to the doctor (but she couldn’t take him, until she got some sort of military referral to a physician).    So I kinda adopted them Kris

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I had an interesting conversation today, with the wife of a Marine who is stationed in Iraq.   She told me that her husband and the men of his unit are doing their job and are dedicated to doing it well and coming home safe….but to a man, they do NOT support the war itself.   They’re doing a job that they cannot believe they’ve been sent to do.

Replace "Iraq" with "Vietnam" above… it’s like deja vu all over again. <snipped part about shipping care packages and kid needing medical care and waiting for referral So I kinda adopted them

Good on ya, Kris! Loren

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – the real issue was GW Bush wanted to get back at Hussein for trying to kill GHW Bush when he was in office. What nonsense. If you really believe that, I suppose you’ll believe anything. Neil

So true – everyone knows it was all about oil. Hint – there are many other countries with leaders as bad a Saddam, but no one is considering  invasions  to "free"  those people. Bottom line – it’s all the Bush spin that many are finally coming around to see through.  Unfortunately, Bush & company significantly underestimated the  repercussions (as typically of most of his shoot-from-the-hip "leadership".

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – the real issue was GW Bush wanted to get back at Hussein for trying to kill GHW Bush when he was in office. What nonsense. If you really believe that, I suppose you’ll believe anything. Neil So true – everyone knows it was all about oil.

<GUFFAW! Yes, "everyone knows" that. It’s the other mantra and has been repeated just as often. Hint – there are many other countries with leaders as bad a Saddam, but no one is considering  invasions  to "free"  those people.

I agree with you there. There are far worse threats than Saddam ever was, e.g. North Korea. I suppose Iraq was considered "do-able" while N.K. was not. And the idea of giving democracy a start in that part of the Middle East would be good if it were possible to carry out. Bottom line – it’s all the Bush spin that many are finally coming around to see through.  Unfortunately, Bush & company significantly underestimated the  repercussions (as typically of most of his shoot-from-the-hip "leadership".

Well, you’re anti-Bush and that strongly colors your perception of these things. I think the war was probably a mistake, but then I think *most* of the wars the U.S. has gotten into over the last 150 years were mistakes, some of them much bigger mistakes than this. Any war is a mistake that lacks sufficient support on the home front, that’s practically automatic. Neil

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – the real issue was GW Bush wanted to get back at Hussein for trying to kill GHW Bush when he was in office. What nonsense. If you really believe that, I suppose you’ll believe anything. Neil So true – everyone knows it was all about oil. <GUFFAW! Yes, "everyone knows" that. It’s the other mantra and has been repeated just as often. Hint – there are many other countries with leaders as bad a Saddam, but no one is considering  invasions  to "free"  those people. I agree with you there. There are far worse threats than Saddam ever was, e.g. North Korea. I suppose Iraq was considered "do-able" while N.K. was not. And the idea of giving democracy a start in that part of the Middle East would be good if it were possible to carry out. Bottom line – it’s all the Bush spin that many are finally coming around to see through.  Unfortunately, Bush & company significantly underestimated the  repercussions (as typically of most of his shoot-from-the-hip "leadership". Well, you’re anti-Bush and that strongly colors your perception of these things. I think the war was probably a mistake, but then I think *most* of the wars the U.S. has gotten into over the last 150 years were mistakes, some of them much bigger mistakes than this. Any war is a mistake that lacks sufficient support on the home front, that’s practically automatic. Neil

liberal.   I fully admit I’ve been anti Bush (Jr) from the start.  I always considered myself a moderate Republican, but I now question whether I’ve swung to the left or if baby Bush is so far right that the center has moved way to the right. I’m convinced that "GW’s Beneficial Accomplishments" will be a contender for the The World’s Shortest Book – along with THINGS I CANNOT AFFORD by Bill Gates THINGS I WOULD NOT DO FOR MONEY by Dennis Rodman AMERICA’S MOST POPULAR LAWYERS FINDING THE REAL KILLERS by   O. J. Simpson

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Employee/Employer loyalty is non-existent. More profit even when existing profit is high is all that matters. Our quest for power, wealth and the acquisition of goods has led to millions of deaths in countless wars. Robberies, theft, drug sales, murder, corporate corruption at the expense of leaving employees broke, insurance fraud, the Mafia, identity theft, scams including the thousands on eBay. All because of greed. Good bills are not passed in the govt. because lobbyists promise politicians support and campaign contributions. Rain forests and Alaskan wilderness is being destroyed for lumber and oil so those companies can make more profit. Bans have been lifted on pollution regulations so the companies can produce more at less expense and make more profit and pay more taxes to the govt. When oil prices go up the prices at the pump go up within one day. When oil prices go down. The prices at the pump go down within one to two weeks. eBay and online sales have increased FedEx’s and UPS’s business 1000 fold resulting in millions of dollars in increased profits. As a result, they recently raised their rates. Companies claim "Only $19.99 a month." By the time the consumer pays the taxes, hidden costs and the hundreds of fees. The actual bill is $30. This marketing practice is fraud and should be banned. Only when the acquisition of wealth ceases to be the primary driving force of human existence will we mature and grow beyond that which has been our nature for thousands of years. When you look at history just over the past 50 years, we humans have caused so much destruction on so many levels in the name of greed, it’s despicable.

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<snip unsolicited self-flagellation on behalf of all humanity When you look at history just over the past 50 years, we humans have caused so much destruction on so many levels in the name of greed, it’s despicable.

You’re right. Go kill yourself and save the planet.

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<snip unsolicited self-flagellation on behalf of all humanity When you look at history just over the past 50 years, we humans have caused so much destruction on so many levels in the name of greed, it’s despicable. You’re right. Go kill yourself and save the planet.

aw, come now, was that really necessary? the guy’s just saying what everyone else is thinking.  well, some other people are saying it, too, but mostly in editorials.  the Powers That Be ™ will never take a stand on anything or try to change things so long as they’re making money off the destruction of the planet.  what’s it gonna take for people to open their fucking eyes? david — http://tinyurl.com/cq76v (ebay sales) http://www.cafepress.com/derbarbier http://shops.half.ebay.com/derbarbier

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the guy’s just saying what everyone else is thinking.  well, some other people are saying it, too, but mostly in editorials.  

Until the root problem is solved everything else is just crap. If countries (people) would reduce the population then all the problems the OP mentioned would become trivial and unimportant. I don’t think the OP should kill himself, but if he went home and never left iti again, that’d be a good start.

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choked out these words: the guy’s just saying what everyone else is thinking.  well, some other people are saying it, too, but mostly in editorials.   Until the root problem is solved everything else is just crap. If countries (people) would reduce the population then all the problems the OP mentioned would become trivial and unimportant. I don’t think the OP should kill himself, but if he went home and never left iti again, that’d be a good start.

<smirk

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<snip unsolicited self-flagellation on behalf of all humanity When you look at history just over the past 50 years, we humans have caused so much destruction on so many levels in the name of greed, it’s despicable. You’re right. Go kill yourself and save the planet. aw, come now, was that really necessary?

Yes. I don’t like members of my species who bash my species. If they think humans suck so badly, they owe it to Mother Earth to commit suicide. Besides, you ain’t seen greed until you’ve watch lions eat.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Employee/Employer loyalty is non-existent. More profit even when existing profit is high is all that matters. Our quest for power, wealth and the acquisition of goods has led to millions of deaths in countless wars. Robberies, theft, drug sales, murder, corporate corruption at the expense of leaving employees broke, insurance fraud, the Mafia, identity theft, scams including the thousands on eBay. All because of greed. Good bills are not passed in the govt. because lobbyists promise politicians support and campaign contributions. Rain forests and Alaskan wilderness is being destroyed for lumber and oil so those companies can make more profit. Bans have been lifted on pollution regulations so the companies can produce more at less expense and make more profit and pay more taxes to the govt. When oil prices go up the prices at the pump go up within one day. When oil prices go down. The prices at the pump go down within one to two weeks. eBay and online sales have increased FedEx’s and UPS’s business 1000 fold resulting in millions of dollars in increased profits. As a result, they recently raised their rates. Companies claim "Only $19.99 a month." By the time the consumer pays the taxes, hidden costs and the hundreds of fees. The actual bill is $30. This marketing practice is fraud and should be banned. Only when the acquisition of wealth ceases to be the primary driving force of human existence will we mature and grow beyond that which has been our nature for thousands of years. When you look at history just over the past 50 years, we humans have caused so much destruction on so many levels in the name of greed, it’s despicable.

Sounds like your loyalty to eBay was misplaced. Welcome to the world of global corporations. http://auctions.shopping.yahoo.com/

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – <snip unsolicited self-flagellation on behalf of all humanity When you look at history just over the past 50 years, we humans have caused so much destruction on so many levels in the name of greed, it’s despicable. You’re right. Go kill yourself and save the planet. aw, come now, was that really necessary? Yes. I don’t like members of my species who bash my species.

that’s rich.  especially coming from the likes of you.  thanks for the biggest laugh i’ve had all day! david — http://tinyurl.com/cq76v (ebay sales) http://www.cafepress.com/derbarbier http://shops.half.ebay.com/derbarbier

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Yes. I don’t like members of my species who bash my species. that’s rich.  especially coming from the likes of you.  thanks for the biggest laugh i’ve had all day!

Ah the season is upon us. Peace on earth, all that nonsense. Let’s all relax, have an eggnog and kick each other’s asses! And I hope I put the apostrophe in the right place. Craig

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Yes. I don’t like members of my species who bash my species. that’s rich.  especially coming from the likes of you.  thanks for the biggest laugh i’ve had all day! Ah the season is upon us. Peace on earth, all that nonsense. Let’s all relax, have an eggnog and kick each other’s asses!

LOL! And I hope I put the apostrophe in the right place.

i’m sure someone will let you know if you haven’t! david — http://tinyurl.com/cq76v (ebay sales) http://www.cafepress.com/derbarbier http://shops.half.ebay.com/derbarbier

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Employee/Employer loyalty is non-existent. More profit even when existing profit is high is all that matters. Our quest for power, wealth and the acquisition of goods has led to millions of deaths in countless wars. Robberies, theft, drug sales, murder, corporate corruption at the expense of leaving employees broke, insurance fraud, the Mafia, identity theft, scams including the thousands on eBay. All because of greed. Good bills are not passed in the govt. because lobbyists promise politicians support and campaign contributions. Rain forests and Alaskan wilderness is being destroyed for lumber and oil so those companies can make more profit. Bans have been lifted on pollution regulations so the companies can produce more at less expense and make more profit and pay more taxes to the govt. When oil prices go up the prices at the pump go up within one day. When oil prices go down. The prices at the pump go down within one to two weeks. eBay and online sales have increased FedEx’s and UPS’s business 1000 fold resulting in millions of dollars in increased profits. As a result, they recently raised their rates. Companies claim "Only $19.99 a month." By the time the consumer pays the taxes, hidden costs and the hundreds of fees. The actual bill is $30. This marketing practice is fraud and should be banned. Only when the acquisition of wealth ceases to be the primary driving force of human existence will we mature and grow beyond that which has been our nature for thousands of years. When you look at history just over the past 50 years, we humans have caused so much destruction on so many levels in the name of greed, it’s despicable.

Ok, whats new. The world is going to hell in a hand backet. Heard that all my life. I sure glad everyone isn’t so pessimistic.  I’m sure you are just as "greedy" as everyone else. Please go somewher else and darken somebody else’s day. Lets see, we could be having a world war, or depression. If you think today is crap you haven’t read history. Have a nice day! As the song says "suicide is painless"

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – <snip unsolicited self-flagellation on behalf of all humanity When you look at history just over the past 50 years, we humans have caused so much destruction on so many levels in the name of greed, it’s despicable. You’re right. Go kill yourself and save the planet. aw, come now, was that really necessary? Yes. I don’t like members of my species who bash my species. If they think humans suck so badly, they owe it to Mother Earth to commit suicide.

Not to worry. We already are, just not as quick as some methods. Besides, you ain’t seen greed until you’ve watch lions eat.

I’ll be in Hoduras next week on a shark dive. About 10 to 20, 8 to 10ft gray reef sharks will show up. At first the divemaster feeds them manually. He has chain link gloves. Then at the end, the divemaster throws the remaining chum on the sea floor while we’re sitting right there 70 ft. down. I’m told the frenzy is freakin amazing. I’ve got my camera ready!

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Employee/Employer loyalty is non-existent. More profit even when existing profit is high is all that matters. Our quest for power, wealth and the acquisition of goods has led to millions of deaths in countless wars. Robberies, theft, drug sales, murder, corporate corruption at the expense of leaving employees broke, insurance fraud, the Mafia, identity theft, scams including the thousands on eBay. All because of greed. Good bills are not passed in the govt. because lobbyists promise politicians support and campaign contributions. Rain forests and Alaskan wilderness is being destroyed for lumber and oil so those companies can make more profit. Bans have been lifted on pollution regulations so the companies can produce more at less expense and make more profit and pay more taxes to the govt. When oil prices go up the prices at the pump go up within one day. When oil prices go down. The prices at the pump go down within one to two weeks. eBay and online sales have increased FedEx’s and UPS’s business 1000 fold resulting in millions of dollars in increased profits. As a result, they recently raised their rates. Companies claim "Only $19.99 a month." By the time the consumer pays the taxes, hidden costs and the hundreds of fees. The actual bill is $30. This marketing practice is fraud and should be banned. Only when the acquisition of wealth ceases to be the primary driving force of human existence will we mature and grow beyond that which has been our nature for thousands of years. When you look at history just over the past 50 years, we humans have caused so much destruction on so many levels in the name of greed, it’s despicable. Sounds like your loyalty to eBay was misplaced. Welcome to the world of global corporations.

I’m loyal to no commercial enterprise. Used to be when I was a kid. You know, ideals and shit. That quickly died when I experienced my first layoff.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Employee/Employer loyalty is non-existent. More profit even when existing profit is high is all that matters. Our quest for power, wealth and the acquisition of goods has led to millions of deaths in countless wars. Robberies, theft, drug sales, murder, corporate corruption at the expense of leaving employees broke, insurance fraud, the Mafia, identity theft, scams including the thousands on eBay. All because of greed. Good bills are not passed in the govt. because lobbyists promise politicians support and campaign contributions. Rain forests and Alaskan wilderness is being destroyed for lumber and oil so those companies can make more profit. Bans have been lifted on pollution regulations so the companies can produce more at less expense and make more profit and pay more taxes to the govt. When oil prices go up the prices at the pump go up within one day. When oil prices go down. The prices at the pump go down within one to two weeks. eBay and online sales have increased FedEx’s and UPS’s business 1000 fold resulting in millions of dollars in increased profits. As a result, they recently raised their rates. Companies claim "Only $19.99 a month." By the time the consumer pays the taxes, hidden costs and the hundreds of fees. The actual bill is $30. This marketing practice is fraud and should be banned. Only when the acquisition of wealth ceases to be the primary driving force of human existence will we mature and grow beyond that which has been our nature for thousands of years. When you look at history just over the past 50 years, we humans have caused so much destruction on so many levels in the name of greed, it’s despicable. Ok, whats new. The world is going to hell in a hand backet. Heard that all my life. I sure glad everyone isn’t so pessimistic.  I’m sure you are just as "greedy" as everyone else. Please go somewher else and darken somebody else’s day. Lets see, we could be having a world war, or depression. If you think today is crap you haven’t read history. Have a nice day! As the song says "suicide is painless"

The world is fallen for sure. But definitely not going to hell. For every bad thing I cited, there are probably 100 good things that we never hear about. How one ‘feels’ about facts, pessimistic or optimistic doesn’t change those facts nor their continuation. I am greedy. I don’t recall saying I wasn’t. But probably like you, I have a line I won’t cross. My subject line inferred a negative topic. Do avoid your dark day, you didn’t have to click on it.  You said "We could have a world war or depression."  For every country that is in war or genocide, ‘their’ world is at war. If you think there are no depressions, you haven’t read the recent poverty statistics. To head off the inevitable "Then why don’t you do something about it, jerk" response I’m sure to receive next. I have protested Bush’s immoral war based on his lies and the 17,000 deaths it’s caused to over 2000 US soldiers, X number of soldiers from other countries and the 14,000 Non-US innocent civilians. I was in a branch of law for several years. I am a member of the Sierra Club and PETA and participate in activities with them. Finally, your suicide reference is interesting. To date, over 45 US soldiers in Iraq have committed suicide. One just recently who had been back from Iraq for a year. I doubt what they were feeling was painless. And by the military’s own admission, they didn’t allocate enough funds for mental health for the soldiers. Once again, they put money over their own people.

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[ . . . ] To head off the inevitable "Then why don’t you do something about it, jerk" response I’m sure to receive next. I have protested Bush’s immoral war based on his lies

Really, don’t you get a little tired of reciting that puerile bullshit about Bush’s "lies"? It seems to be a sort of mantra with people on your side of the political street, but at some level you must be aware that what you’re saying is itself a lie. The intelligence about WMDs may (or may not) have been faulty. In any case it was accepted at face value not only by the Bush administration but also by the entire Congress, who voted to authorize the war–the Democrats’ current flip-flops and vacillations notwithstanding. It was also accepted by (and to some degree originated with) the British, and various European intelligence services. It was reinforced by Saddam’s own actions in refusing to let the inspectors do their jobs, and so on. You almost certainly KNOW all this. Why then pretend "Bush lied"? Don’t you understand that’s like proudly waving a placard describing yourself as a liar? Whom do you expect to persuade? and the 17,000 deaths it’s caused to over 2000 US soldiers, X number of soldiers from other countries and the 14,000 Non-US innocent civilians.

By about this point in World War II we had lost 300,000 troops dead, and thousands more wounded. Millions more died in that war. It’s what happens in war. The difference is that then, the news media did not focus so one-sidedly on the bad news. I was in a branch of law for several years.

"in a branch of law" . . . ?? I am a member of the Sierra Club and PETA and participate in activities with them.

Ah, that explains a lot. Finally, your suicide reference is interesting. To date, over 45 US soldiers in Iraq have committed suicide.

That’s a suicide rate much lower than Belgium’s (40.1 per 100,000 per year) for example, and Belgium is not at war or contributing in any way to this one. A lot of people commit suicide. In Japan the rate is 50.6 per 100,000 per year; they’re a prosperous and orderly country and not at war either. And still other western countries would love to have a suicide rate as low as that of our troops in Iraq. The chief problem here is that our left-leaning news media constantly focuses on every bad thing that happens in the war, and ignores or glosses over our accomplishments. Ever think how World War II would have turned out if we’d had the same sort of news media then, undermining our morale and war effort in every possible way? Neil

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – [ . . . ] To head off the inevitable "Then why don’t you do something about it, jerk" response I’m sure to receive next. I have protested Bush’s immoral war based on his lies Really, don’t you get a little tired of reciting that puerile bullshit about Bush’s "lies"? It seems to be a sort of mantra with people on your side of the political street, but at some level you must be aware that what you’re saying is itself a lie. it’s not as far from the truth than the one about Iraq having WMDs. The intelligence about WMDs may (or may not) have been faulty. no WMDs were found.  i’d say the intelligence was faulty. In any case it was accepted at face value not only by the Bush administration but also by the entire Congress, who voted to authorize the war yeah, because of the faulty intelligence. i was never for the war in the first place, faulty intelligence or no.

Neither was I, as a matter of fact. I thought then that it was very likely to be a mistake and now I believe that it was. But that’s a long way from repeating the rubbish that "Bush lied." the real issue was GW Bush wanted to get back at Hussein for trying to kill GHW Bush when he was in office.

What nonsense. If you really believe that, I suppose you’ll believe anything. Neil

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[ . . . ] To head off the inevitable "Then why don’t you do something about it, jerk" response I’m sure to receive next. I have protested Bush’s immoral war based on his lies Really, don’t you get a little tired of reciting that puerile bullshit about Bush’s "lies"? It seems to be a sort of mantra with people on your side of the political street, but at some level you must be aware that what you’re saying is itself a lie.

it’s not as far from the truth than the one about Iraq having WMDs. The intelligence about WMDs may (or may not) have been faulty.

no WMDs were found.  i’d say the intelligence was faulty. In any case it was accepted at face value not only by the Bush administration but also by the entire Congress, who voted to authorize the war

yeah, because of the faulty intelligence. i was never for the war in the first place, faulty intelligence or no.  the real issue was GW Bush wanted to get back at Hussein for trying to kill GHW Bush when he was in office.  but he couldn’t have gone to Congress with that sort of excuse.  "i have a vendetta against Saddam Hussein, give me money."  yeah, that just wouldn’t'a worked. david — http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amoephoto/

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – says… Such a friendly seller/ 4422624029 If you are too lazy to give us a clickable link, I am too lazy to look it up. So shut up already then. A No.   How else will the OP know he alienates a good percentage of his audience? What makes you think he’s doing that?

Because people are busy.  They will click on a provided link, but don’t want the extra hassle of "looking something up" to (usually) be disappointed in what someone else thinks is clever/worthy of attention.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – says… Such a friendly seller/ 4422624029 If you are too lazy to give us a clickable link, I am too lazy to look it up. So shut up already then. A No.   How else will the OP know he alienates a good percentage of his audience?

You’re not a good portion of his audience. A

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – says… says… Such a friendly seller/ 4422624029 If you are too lazy to give us a clickable link, I am too lazy to look it up. So shut up already then. A No. How else will the OP know he alienates a good percentage of his audience? What makes you think he’s doing that? Because people are busy.  They will click on a provided link, but don’t want the extra hassle of "looking something up" to (usually) be disappointed in what someone else thinks is clever/worthy of attention.

I’d rather paste in a number, than try to click on one of the bloated, split URLs that’s usually posted. Kris

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…people are busy.  They will click on a provided link, but don’t want the extra hassle of "looking something up"…

Name eleven people that don’t want the extra hassle of "looking something up". Craig

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…people are busy.  They will click on a provided link, but don’t want the extra hassle of "looking something up"… Name eleven people that don’t want the extra hassle of "looking something up". Craig

The Osmond Family

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – says… Such a friendly seller/ 4422624029 If you are too lazy to give us a clickable link, I am too lazy to look it up. So shut up already then. A No.   How else will the OP know he alienates a good percentage of his audience? What makes you think he’s doing that? Because people are busy.  They will click on a provided link, but don’t want the extra hassle of "looking something up" to (usually) be disappointed in what someone else thinks is clever/worthy of attention.

I can handle the three clicks needed to look up an auction item. — Ty Who is mostly just a slightly skewed Donna Reed Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.          ~~ William Pitt, 18 Nov 1783

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…people are busy.  They will click on a provided link, but don’t want the extra hassle of "looking something up"… Name eleven people that don’t want the extra hassle of "looking something up". Craig The Osmond Family

bzzzzzzzt!   Wrong answer, but thank you for playing.  The Osmond Family is not known to be readers of amoe. — Ty Who is mostly just a slightly skewed Donna Reed Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.          ~~ William Pitt, 18 Nov 1783

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – …people are busy.  They will click on a provided link, but don’t want the extra hassle of "looking something up"… Name eleven people that don’t want the extra hassle of "looking something up". Craig The Osmond Family bzzzzzzzt!   Wrong answer, but thank you for playing.  The Osmond Family is not known to be readers of amoe.

They lurk.

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Name eleven people that don’t want the extra hassle of "looking something up". I’m one…. send me the link and I’ll take a look. Send me the item number, I’ll just wonder what the point of the post was. (It’s really a stupid argument as posting a link is an extremely easy task… maybe even easier than typing (or cut/pasting) the item number)

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – 1. Click on link provided in the post by the person who is asking you to look at something. or…. 1. Highlight the eBay item number in post. 2. Right-click mouse. 3. "Copy" highlighted text. 4. Open new browser window. 5. Go to eBay website. 6. Paste item number on search window. I see what you mean.  They are exactly the same thing (not). For me they are, as I use a text-only newsreader. -Bertha

You and 0.0001% of Usenet readers.

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For me they are, as I use a text-only newsreader. -Bertha You and 0.0001% of Usenet readers.

You are wrong. The report in front of me says that 192,612,413 Usenet readers use text only. 68.31732%

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these words: For me they are, as I use a text-only newsreader.

i use Agent: a text-only newsreader. david — http://tinyurl.com/cq76v (ebay sales) http://www.cafepress.com/derbarbier http://shops.half.ebay.com/derbarbier

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For me they are, as I use a text-only newsreader. -Bertha You and 0.0001% of Usenet readers. You are wrong. The report in front of me says that 192,612,413 Usenet readers use text only. 68.31732%

Make that 192,512,414.  They didn’t count me. Kris

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – For me they are, as I use a text-only newsreader. -Bertha You and 0.0001% of Usenet readers. You are wrong. The report in front of me says that 192,612,413 Usenet readers use text only. 68.31732%

192,612,412 of which are sock puppets. — Many thanks, Don Lancaster                          voice phone: (928)428-4073 Synergetics   3860 West First Street   Box 809 Thatcher, AZ 85552 Please visit my GURU’s LAIR web site at http://www.tinaja.com

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these words: For me they are, as I use a text-only newsreader. i use Agent: a text-only newsreader.

So do I. — Ty Who is mostly just a slightly skewed Donna Reed Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.          ~~ William Pitt, 18 Nov 1783

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Such a friendly seller/ 4422624029 If you are too lazy to give us a clickable link, I am too lazy to look it up.

So shut up already then. A

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says… Such a friendly seller/ 4422624029 If you are too lazy to give us a clickable link, I am too lazy to look it up. So shut up already then. A

No.   How else will the OP know he alienates a good percentage of his audience?

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choked out these words: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – says… Such a friendly seller/ 4422624029 If you are too lazy to give us a clickable link, I am too lazy to look it up. So shut up already then. A No.   How else will the OP know he alienates a good percentage of his audience?

you (all by yourself) are not a good percentage of his audience. david

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – says… Such a friendly seller/ 4422624029 If you are too lazy to give us a clickable link, I am too lazy to look it up. So shut up already then. A No.   How else will the OP know he alienates a good percentage of his audience?

What makes you think he’s doing that? — Ty Who is mostly just a slightly skewed Donna Reed Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.          ~~ William Pitt, 18 Nov 1783

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Such a friendly seller/ 4422624029

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Such a friendly seller/ 4422624029

Nice fee avoidance too. ef

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Such a friendly seller/ 4422624029

If you are too lazy to give us a clickable link, I am too lazy to look it up. Sorry if this doesn’t seem "Friedly".

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choked out these words: Such a friendly seller/ 4422624029 If you are too lazy to give us a clickable link, I am too lazy to look it up. Sorry if this doesn’t seem "Friedly".

yes, cos it’s so hard to plug the number into the ebay search box. "it’s so hard to keep your ears clean.  why bother?" -bette midler david — http://tinyurl.com/cq76v (ebay sales) http://www.cafepress.com/derbarbier http://shops.half.ebay.com/derbarbier

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says… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – choked out these words: Such a friendly seller/ 4422624029 If you are too lazy to give us a clickable link, I am too lazy to look it up. Sorry if this doesn’t seem "Friedly". yes, cos it’s so hard to plug the number into the ebay search box. david

Hard?  No.  Inconvenient and rude to expect 1,000 people to do as you suggest above?  Yes. Choice: 1. Click on link provided in the post by the person who is asking you to look at something. or…. 1. Highlight the eBay item number in post. 2. Right-click mouse. 3. "Copy" highlighted text. 4. Open new browser window. 5. Go to eBay website. 6. Paste item number on search window. I see what you mean.  They are exactly the same thing (not).

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1. Click on link provided in the post by the person who is asking you to look at something. or…. 1. Highlight the eBay item number in post. 2. Right-click mouse. 3. "Copy" highlighted text. 4. Open new browser window. 5. Go to eBay website. 6. Paste item number on search window. I see what you mean.  They are exactly the same thing (not).

For me they are, as I use a text-only newsreader. -Bertha — "I’m not normally a praying man, but if you’re up there, please save me, Superman!"      – Homer Simpson

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muttered something like:  I figure anyone I care enough about to be giving them a present, is someone who wouldn’t want to get one if it meant I’d have to undergo financial or emotional difficulty to get it. Huh. I’ll have to try that one on my kid this year.

This is what grandparents are for, silly. -Bertha — Pi R Squared? No. Pie R round, Cornbread R square!

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something like: I sorry, I meant within your immediate family. My Brother says he doesn’t want to swap gifts within the immediate family.  I find it depressing, but he’s a jerk so whats new?  He says he’s too old to go XMas shopping.

If he doesn’t wanna, he doesn’t wanna.  Better no gift than one given grudgingly, or feeling obligated because everyone else is giving them. You guys do what feels right to you, and let him do what’s right for him.   If we’re only giving gifts because we want to receive them, we’re giving them for the wrong reasons anyway. -Bertha — "I understand.  Let us celebrate our agreement with the adding of chocolate to milk."             — Homer Simpson

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That’s not to say I don’t give gifts … I just don’t wait for one day out of the year anymore.  My friends know who they are and if I find something with their name on it and I have money, they’re getting it … it doesn’t matter when it is or when the last time was that I bought something for them. Ditto.  I love giving a gift that is perfect for the person at any time of the year, for no reason at all.  But I hate the commercialism of giftmas and refuse to participate in it anymore.

I hate it too, but I have two kids who still believe in Santa (or at least pretend to) so I’m in. A

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Do you all still swap gifts at XMas? Do you mean within the group? I don’t think we ever did. A I sorry, I meant within your immediate family. My Brother says he doesn’t want to swap gifts within the immediate family.  I find it depressing, but he’s a jerk so whats new?  He says he’s too old to go XMas shopping.

I could live without swapping gifts, especially with my parents. They buy crappy presents, and I never, ever know what to get them.  I’d much rather subscribe to the Walter/jcdill school. I don’t have any brothers or sisters, so I don’t know how I would feel about that.  We exchange gifts with my husband’s siblings, but most of what we get them is obligatory, not inspired. I do feel bad for you – if you were here I’d bake you some cookies. A

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-Bertha — Old MacDonald had a computer with EIA I/O.

Errr EISA I/O….. but if you really meant ‘Old Macdonald’ then it might really have been ISA I/O or perhaps MCA or…. DNA

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I hate it too, but I have two kids who still believe in Santa (or at least pretend to) so I’m in.

Who taught them to believe in Santa?  How old are they?

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I hate it too, but I have two kids who still believe in Santa (or at least pretend to) so I’m in. Who taught them to believe in Santa?  How old are they?

36 and 44

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Do you all still swap gifts at XMas? Do you mean within the group? I don’t think we ever did. A I sorry, I meant within your immediate family. My Brother says he doesn’t want to swap gifts within the immediate family.  I find it depressing, but he’s a jerk so whats new?  He says he’s too old to go XMas shopping. Well, fuck ‘im, then. Give to whomever you wish and let Bro suck eggs.

I was kinda bummed about it at first, but now I feel relieved that I don’t have to spend alot of $$$ on XMas now.  I might send out more XMas cards instead.

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I hate it too, but I have two kids who still believe in Santa (or at least pretend to) so I’m in. Who taught them to believe in Santa?  How old are they? 36 and 44

You believe in Santa Claus? I believe he’s a Titanium PowerSeller with a spotless feedback record. The only problem is…..he only delivers his stuff once a year.  But shipping is free.

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muttered something like: Old MacDonald had a computer with EIA I/O. Errr EISA I/O….. but if you really meant ‘Old Macdonald’ then it might really have been ISA I/O or perhaps MCA or….

Hmm… been so long since I swiped that tagline (FIDOnet, anyone?) I don’t know WHAT the original author might have meant.  But ISA or MCA keeps the meter better. -Bertha — I wanted a perfect ending…. Now I’ve learned, the hard way, that some poems don’t rhyme, and some stories don’t have a clear beginning, middle and end.  Life is about not knowing, having to change, taking the moment and making the best of it, without knowing what’s going to happen next.                                       — Gilda Radner

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Do you all still swap gifts at XMas?

No … I gave it up more than 20 years ago.  I now laugh at all the people who fight the crowds in stores this time of year looking for that "perfect" gift. That’s not to say I don’t give gifts … I just don’t wait for one day out of the year anymore.  My friends know who they are and if I find something with their name on it and I have money, they’re getting it … it doesn’t matter when it is or when the last time was that I bought something for them.

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That’s not to say I don’t give gifts … I just don’t wait for one day out of the year anymore.  My friends know who they are and if I find something with their name on it and I have money, they’re getting it … it doesn’t matter when it is or when the last time was that I bought something for them.

Ditto.  I love giving a gift that is perfect for the person at any time of the year, for no reason at all.  But I hate the commercialism of giftmas and refuse to participate in it anymore. jc

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muttered something like: That’s not to say I don’t give gifts … I just don’t wait for one day out of the year anymore.  My friends know who they are and if I find something with their name on it and I have money, they’re getting it … it doesn’t matter when it is or when the last time was that I bought something for them. Ditto.  I love giving a gift that is perfect for the person at any time of the year, for no reason at all.  But I hate the commercialism of giftmas and refuse to participate in it anymore.

I admit it, I still give people presents at Christmas.  But I don’t get all stressed and hyper about it, and I avoid the retail stores in December as much as possible.  I figure anyone I care enough about to be giving them a present, is someone who wouldn’t want to get one if it meant I’d have to undergo financial or emotional difficulty to get it. -Bertha — Old MacDonald had a computer with EIA I/O.

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Do you all still swap gifts at XMas? Do you mean within the group? I don’t think we ever did. A

I sorry, I meant within your immediate family. My Brother says he doesn’t want to swap gifts within the immediate family.  I find it depressing, but he’s a jerk so whats new?  He says he’s too old to go XMas shopping.

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Do you all still swap gifts at XMas? Do you mean within the group? I don’t think we ever did. A I sorry, I meant within your immediate family. My Brother says he doesn’t want to swap gifts within the immediate family.  I find it depressing, but he’s a jerk so whats new?  He says he’s too old to go XMas shopping.

So tell him it’s fine if he doesn’t send/bring gifts, and do as your heart tells you in response. For some folks the necessary output of time, energy, thought, and money are over-whelming; for others, the holiday just isn’t enough of a big deal to balance the energy/time/though/money loss.  Let him handle it however he wants, and you [and the rest of the family] can do what suits you.   My immediate family’s pretty small these days.  On my side, there’s only my sister and her husband and my son and his girlfriend.  We buy gifts for folks all year long, but Christmas (even for me, a non-Christian) is a special time for us, and we enjoy the getting-together, the little suspense moments of rattling and shaking parcels, and the surprises found within the boxes.  Sometimes finding the right gift *is* stressful, but the fun stuff far outweighs the PIA parts. My husband has a only couple of far-away sisters and a semi-estranged daughter and grandson, but he wouldn’t miss sending gifsts to them. He had a difficult childhood and only a few years ago discovered (or more correctly, was found by) a half-sister and half-brother he didn’t know he had.   Give your brother a free pass for the holiday season, and just work around him as best you can.   — Ty Who is mostly just a slightly skewed Donna Reed Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.          ~~ William Pitt, 18 Nov 1783

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 I figure anyone I care enough about to be giving them a present, is someone who wouldn’t want to get one if it meant I’d have to undergo financial or emotional difficulty to get it.

Huh. I’ll have to try that one on my kid this year.

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Do you all still swap gifts at XMas? Do you mean within the group? I don’t think we ever did. A I sorry, I meant within your immediate family. My Brother says he doesn’t want to swap gifts within the immediate family.  I find it depressing, but he’s a jerk so whats new?  He says he’s too old to go XMas shopping.

Well, fuck ‘im, then. Give to whomever you wish and let Bro suck eggs.

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Do you all still swap gifts at XMas?

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Do you all still swap gifts at XMas?

Xes

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Do you all still swap gifts at XMas?

Do you mean within the group? I don’t think we ever did. A

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says… Do you all still swap gifts at XMas?

Sure!  I always *love* my gifts from Lumpy!

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says… Do you all still swap gifts at XMas? Sure!  I always *love* my gifts from Lumpy!

Me, too. Kris Line forms in the back of the van….behind me Far behind me

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Do you all still swap gifts at XMas?

Yes.  Though it’s mostly with my parents, close relatives, and a few friends. — When you hear the toilet flush, and hear the words "uh oh", it’s already too late.    - by anonymous Mother in Austin, TX Spam block in place, no emil reply is expected at all.

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Do you all still swap gifts at XMas?

Hell yes! — Ty Who is mostly just a slightly skewed Donna Reed Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.          ~~ William Pitt, 18 Nov 1783

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Do you all still swap gifts at XMas? Hell yes!

the Secret Santa for about five years. david — http://tinyurl.com/cq76v (ebay sales) http://www.cafepress.com/derbarbier http://shops.half.ebay.com/derbarbier

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Hello. I have seen quite a few sellers specify that they accept PayPal with bank debit only–no PayPal payments using a credit card. Why is this? Does it cost the seller more if the PayPal buyer uses a credit card? Is it easier for the buyer to reverse the charges after receiving the merchandise? What’s up with this? Thanks -Mark

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Kris: So, if you run into one of these types of sellers again, email them before you bid and tell them that they cannot decline your use of a credit card through PayPal…..and that if you win the auction, you will pay via credit card I would expect his reply to say "Do not bid on this auction."

Then – Do not bid on the auction. Craig

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My main concern was to not make it easier for a buyer to deny the charges after he receives the merchandise. Thanks -Mark

Why would they want to do that? Kris

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Why would they want to do that?

If I’m the seller, it would only happen if the buyer is a scammer. Does accepting PayPal payments made via credit card leave me more exposed to such scams than other methods of payment? If so, then I might not want to go that route.

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So, if you run into one of these types of sellers again, email them before you bid and tell them that they cannot decline your use of a credit card through PayPal…..and that if you win the auction, you will pay via credit card

I would expect his reply to say "Do not bid on this auction."

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Why would they want to do that? If I’m the seller, it would only happen if the buyer is a scammer. Does accepting PayPal payments made via credit card leave me more exposed to such scams than other methods of payment? If so, then I might not want to go that route.

I dunno; I’ve never had that happen.    Maybe it depends on what you sell?   If you sell "boys’ toys", you’re more open to fraud no matter how they pay. Kris

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It’s because in order to accept credit cards, you have to "upgrade" to an account where you are charged a fee to receive money (on all transactions, not just credit card ones).  As long as they just do bank transfers a la a "personal" account, it’s still free.

Ah. So because I "upgraded" my account a while back, I won’t see any difference in cost based on how the buyer pays? My main concern was to not make it easier for a buyer to deny the charges after he receives the merchandise. Thanks -Mark

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Hello. I have seen quite a few sellers specify that they accept PayPal with bank debit only–no PayPal payments using a credit card. Why is this? Does it cost the seller more if the PayPal buyer uses a credit card? Is it easier for the buyer to reverse the charges after receiving the merchandise? What’s up with this? Thanks -Mark

It used to be that you could specify "no credit cards" and save PayPal fees.  Now, sellers who accept PayPal for eBay sales *must* accept credit cards. So, if you run into one of these types of sellers again, email them before you bid and tell them that they cannot decline your use of a credit card through PayPal…..and that if you win the auction, you will pay via credit card Kris

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It’s because in order to accept credit cards, you have to "upgrade" to an account where you are charged a fee to receive money (on all transactions, not just credit card ones).  As long as they just do bank transfers a la a "personal" account, it’s still free. Ah. So because I "upgraded" my account a while back, I won’t see any difference in cost based on how the buyer pays? My main concern was to not make it easier for a buyer to deny the charges after he receives the merchandise.

==== What’s wrong with your merchandise? =====

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My main concern was to not make it easier for a buyer to deny the charges after he receives the merchandise.

Selling crap? Craig

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muttered something like: I have seen quite a few sellers specify that they accept PayPal with bank debit only–no PayPal payments using a credit card. Why is this? Does it cost the seller more if the PayPal buyer uses a credit card? Is it easier for the buyer to reverse the charges after receiving the merchandise? What’s up with this?

It’s because in order to accept credit cards, you have to "upgrade" to an account where you are charged a fee to receive money (on all transactions, not just credit card ones).  As long as they just do bank transfers a la a "personal" account, it’s still free. However, ebay recently declared that sellers are not allowed to do this–if they’re going to accept paypal at all, they have to accept it either way: <http://pages.ebay.com/help/pay/paypal.html "Please note: Sellers who offer PayPal as a payment option on eBay (either using logos or text in the item description) must accept all forms of PayPal payment including account balance, bank account transfer, and credit cards as per eBay.s PayPal Payments policy." -Bertha — "In my culture, I would be well within my rights to dismember you."                                                 — Teal’c

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Thanks for the reply.  Didn’t know about the maximum fee, but I really don’t care to wait 4 business days for clearance.  I don’t accept personal checks for the same reason.  The whole reason why I even deal with Paypal is convienience – and speed. Paper checks in most cases clear electronically now, no more 5-8 day waits, as some sellers still ask for.

You’re confusing "funds availability" with the actual clearance of a check. Kris

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Thanks for the reply.  Didn’t know about the maximum fee, but I really don’t care to wait 4 business days for clearance.  I don’t accept personal checks for the same reason.  The whole reason why I even deal with Paypal is convienience – and speed.

Paper checks in most cases clear electronically now, no more 5-8 day waits, as some sellers still ask for.

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Quick question:  Is there an option in my ebay and/or paypal accounts to deny electronic checks from others making a paypal payment to my account?

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Quick question:  Is there an option in my ebay and/or paypal accounts to deny electronic checks from others making a paypal payment to my account?

Not for eBay sales. If you offer PayPal as a payment option on eBay, you have to accept all forms of PayPal funding. You can block echeck payments for non-eBay sales. See your PayPal Profile Payment Receiving Preferences.

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Thanks for the reply.  Didn’t know about the maximum fee, but I really don’t care to wait 4 business days for clearance.  I don’t accept personal checks for the same reason.  The whole reason why I even deal with Paypal is convienience – and speed.

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Thanks.  I’ll look into it.

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Thanks.  I’ll look into it.

Who are you talking to?  What did they say? This is a usenet discussion group, not a message board on a website.   Please follow the generally-accepted usenet convention of quoting a bit of whatever message you’re replying to.   Newsgroup propagation being what it is, some folks will see your response before they see the post on which you’re commenting. (Others, in fact, may *never* see the original post or didn’t bother reading it.) Another problem is that given the way threads drift, a subject line may have little or nothing to do with what the current discussion involves. When you fail to cite a bit of the original message, your own comments just hang out in the air, connected to nothing and making little or no sense. For a comprehensive, net-wide FAQ, check this site: http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html — Ty Who is mostly just a slightly skewed Donna Reed Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.          ~~ William Pitt, 18 Nov 1783

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Ebay Suspension – Boutique "I have been a member for almost a year on eBay, I had a 100% positive feedback with no negative, no strikes and no unhappy buyers. In Feb. 2005 I bought Louis Vuitton purse off of ebay, that was listed as Authentic and at that time violated no listing policies, as the auction was Leagally listed on ebay and ended with me as the winning bidder.. This past month I decided to sell the item on eBay, as it did not really fit my needs. They pulled the auction before it hit the site, than suspended my account for "Violating" their listing policies!!! What the??? I bought it on there, how can the first one not viloate, but mine does??? It is the same item. I even emailed them the original auction # to show them I got it on there. I was upset, as they locked me out of my account, with sales and buyes pending I might add… They gave me the process for re-instatement, which I followed to the letter, as I really feel I did nothing wrong. that was 2 weeks ago and all I get is automated emails from them and they never say anything about my account. I have sent money for items to sellers that think they do not have to send item as I am listed as No longer a registered user. I have tried to contact them, but they do not reply. I am tired of eBay doing this! I thought they raised their fees so they could IMPROVE Customer service, not treat us like crap. So a year of hard work is down the drain, all of those fees I spent building up my seller rating, gone. I amlooking into filing a class action lawsuit against them, as I know they have to have done this to others unfairly. Anyone with me?"

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – poco blabbered on and on and on and on about: Ebay Suspension – Boutique Ebay Suspension – Wal-Mart Ebay Suspension – Penny’s Ebay Suspension – Sears Ebay Suspension – Home Depot First of all, it’s eBay.  Not Ebay. Second of all, please shut the fuck up already! Loren

I think he’s copying all these posts from powersellersunite.com, for some reason. A

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ebay Suspension – Boutique "I have been a member for almost a year on eBay, I had a 100% positive feedback with no negative, no strikes and no unhappy buyers. In Feb. 2005 I bought Louis Vuitton purse off of ebay, that was listed as Authentic and at that time violated no listing policies, as the auction was Leagally listed on ebay and ended with me as the winning bidder.. This past month I decided to sell the item on eBay, as it did not really fit my needs. They pulled the auction before it hit the site, than suspended my account for "Violating" their listing policies!!! What the??? I bought it on there, how can the first one not viloate, but mine does??? It is the same item. I even emailed them the original auction # to show them I got it on there. I was upset, as they locked me out of my account, with sales and buyes pending I might add… They gave me the process for re-instatement, which I followed to the letter, as I really feel I did nothing wrong. that was 2 weeks ago and all I get is automated emails from them and they never say anything about my account. I have sent money for items to sellers that think they do not have to send item as I am listed as No longer a registered user. I have tried to contact them, but they do not reply. I am tired of eBay doing this! I thought they raised their fees so they could IMPROVE Customer service, not treat us like crap. So a year of hard work is down the drain, all of those fees I spent building up my seller rating, gone. I amlooking into filing a class action lawsuit against them, as I know they have to have done this to others unfairly. Anyone with me?"

Why would you sell something on eBay that you KNOW is ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN to cause you grief? — Many thanks, Don Lancaster                          voice phone: (928)428-4073 Synergetics   3860 West First Street   Box 809 Thatcher, AZ 85552 Please visit my GURU’s LAIR web site at http://www.tinaja.com

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -poco blabbered on and on and on and on about: Ebay Suspension – Boutique Ebay Suspension – Wal-Mart Ebay Suspension – Penny’s Ebay Suspension – Sears Ebay Suspension – Home Depot First of all, it’s eBay.  Not Ebay. Second of all, please shut the fuck up already!

yeah, i had to killfile it again.  it morphed after i KF’d it the first time. david — http://tinyurl.com/cq76v (ebay sales) http://www.cafepress.com/derbarbier http://shops.half.ebay.com/derbarbier

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poco blabbered on and on and on and on about: Ebay Suspension – Boutique Ebay Suspension – Wal-Mart Ebay Suspension – Penny’s Ebay Suspension – Sears Ebay Suspension – Home Depot

First of all, it’s eBay.  Not Ebay. Second of all, please shut the fuck up already! Loren

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Jackie Lancaster: "But Doctor, what should I do with these rectal thermometers?" Sheckie Lumpy: Doc says to patient –  "No problem. Nothing unusual. Here’s some   suppositories. Use these for 7 days and   if it doesn’t clear up, call me. Milton Ruki:

HEY! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – patient leaves, but comes back a week later complaining that the ailment hasn’t cleared up. doc asks if patient used all the suppositories, and patient says "i did, but man were they difficult to swallow." Doc says –  You’re not supposed to take them orally! We’ll  have to work them out of your system. Take a  quarter cup of mineral oil after a hot bath  every night before bed. Come back in a week. Patient comes back in a week… Doc –  Well, did you take the mineral oil? Pt –  I’m trying doc but by the time I drink that  hot bath I can’t swallow another thing.

fucking hilarious! blow jobs all around. david — http://tinyurl.com/cq76v (ebay sales) http://www.cafepress.com/derbarbier http://shops.half.ebay.com/derbarbier

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@newssvr31.news.prodigy.com: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "But Doctor, what should I do with these rectal thermometers?" Doc says to patient –  "No problem. Nothing unusual. Here’s some   suppositories. Use these for 7 days and   if it doesn’t clear up, call me. patient leaves, but comes back a week later complaining that the ailment hasn’t cleared up.  doc asks if patient used all the suppositories, and patient says "i did, but man were they difficult to swallow." david ….and the patient goes on to say "For all the good they did, I should have shoved them up my ass."

Next to the Tamiflu Thermometer. —               — W

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A friend’s SIL has become home bound due to illness. He would like to be able to earn some income from home. The ‘net seems like a way and maybe even ebay (thanks to UPS) I am looking for helpful ideas and / or links. Depends what he’s interested in, and what he *knows*. Since the corporations moved in (and the ‘lttle guys’ became corporations), there’s no so much room to make a fsat buck. But there;’s still plenty of mileage in niche websites where the owner’s knowldge still counts. And it’s therepeutic, too. — Andrew http://www.weirdity.com/ebay/

Yup.  Not looking for a fast buck at all.  Your last sentence is right on. Lou

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these words: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am trying to do a mitzvah (Jewish for good deed) and am looking for pointers. A friend’s SIL has become home bound due to illness. He would like to be able to earn some income from home. The ‘net seems like a way and maybe even ebay (thanks to UPS) I am looking for helpful ideas and / or links. Phone sex might be one option. "It is better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid, than to open it and remove all doubt"  Mark Twain No pleasing some people.  An infirm, homebound woman can’t effectively sell any tangible goods online, even if she has the resources to purchase and obtain inventory.  A phone line and a $25 ad in the local "alternative" paper and she can be in business in a day.  And probably make more than any man doing the same job! "woman"  Amazing you can post, but can’t read "He"

i was under the impression that ‘SIL’ stood for "sister-in-law." AFAIK, a SIL is a woman. or is it a gay thing? david

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – these words: I am trying to do a mitzvah (Jewish for good deed) and am looking for pointers. A friend’s SIL has become home bound due to illness. He would like to be able to earn some income from home. The ‘net seems like a way and maybe even ebay (thanks to UPS) I am looking for helpful ideas and / or links. Phone sex might be one option. "It is better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid, than to open it and remove all doubt"  Mark Twain No pleasing some people.  An infirm, homebound woman can’t effectively sell any tangible goods online, even if she has the resources to purchase and obtain inventory.  A phone line and a $25 ad in the local "alternative" paper and she can be in business in a day.  And probably make more than any man doing the same job! "woman"  Amazing you can post, but can’t read "He" i was under the impression that ‘SIL’ stood for "sister-in-law." AFAIK, a SIL is a woman. or is it a gay thing? david Son In Law  As the post noted "he"

Dipshit.  As I’ve noted elsewhere, *I* read your first post as meaning you have a friend with a sister-in-law, and the friend wants to help the sister-in-law earn some income. It’s *your* obligation to write clearly; it’s not our responsibility to try to figure out what you thought you were saying. — Ty Who is mostly just a slightly skewed Donna Reed "I’d like to say to the good citizens of Dover: If there is a disaster in your area, don’t turn to God; you just rejected him from your city. And don’t wonder why he hasn’t helped you when problems begin, if they begin. I’m not saying they will, but if they do, just remember, you just voted God out of your city. And if that’s the case, don’t ask for his help because he might not be there." ~~ Pat Robertson  "The 700 Club"

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these words: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – these words: I am trying to do a mitzvah (Jewish for good deed) and am looking for pointers. A friend’s SIL has become home bound due to illness. He would like to be able to earn some income from home. The ‘net seems like a way and maybe even ebay (thanks to UPS) I am looking for helpful ideas and / or links. Phone sex might be one option. "It is better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid, than to open it and remove all doubt"  Mark Twain No pleasing some people.  An infirm, homebound woman can’t effectively sell any tangible goods online, even if she has the resources to purchase and obtain inventory.  A phone line and a $25 ad in the local "alternative" paper and she can be in business in a day.  And probably make more than any man doing the same job! "woman"  Amazing you can post, but can’t read "He" i was under the impression that ‘SIL’ stood for "sister-in-law." AFAIK, a SIL is a woman. or is it a gay thing? david Son In Law  As the post noted "he"

gah!  apparently i can’t read, either! david — http://tinyurl.com/cq76v (ebay sales) http://www.cafepress.com/derbarbier http://shops.half.ebay.com/derbarbier

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I am trying to do a mitzvah (Jewish for good deed) and am looking for pointers. A friend’s SIL has become home bound due to illness. He would like to be able to earn some income from home. The ‘net seems like a way and maybe even ebay (thanks to UPS) I am looking for helpful ideas and / or links. TIA Lou How feeble is he and how much income does he want?

Has MS.  Can not walk without a walker.  Was a sales type.  Seems reasonably bright.  I do not think the actual money is the real need.  Its more of helping his head.  I do not even know if he is much of a computer guy, but I have time to teach.  Was hoping some of the regulars would have some ideas.  Yes I know about Don’s site, but am not sure if it applies. Does anyone think he could write up a guide to leasing / buying trucks (which is the industry he was in)? Does anyone in here have experience using a blog to generate interest in "products"? Thanks for asking. Lou

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I am trying to do a mitzvah (Jewish for good deed) and am looking for pointers. A friend’s SIL has become home bound due to illness. He would like to be able to earn some income from home. The ‘net seems like a way and maybe even ebay (thanks to UPS) I am looking for helpful ideas and / or links. TIA Lou

How feeble is he and how much income does he want?

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i was under the impression that ‘SIL’ stood for "sister-in-law." AFAIK, a SIL is a woman. or is it a gay thing? david Son In Law  As the post noted "he"

With most guys the abbreviation for sister-in-law is MILF.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – these words: I am trying to do a mitzvah (Jewish for good deed) and am looking for pointers. A friend’s SIL has become home bound due to illness. He would like to be able to earn some income from home. The ‘net seems like a way and maybe even ebay (thanks to UPS) I am looking for helpful ideas and / or links. Phone sex might be one option. "It is better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid, than to open it and remove all doubt"  Mark Twain No pleasing some people.  An infirm, homebound woman can’t effectively sell any tangible goods online, even if she has the resources to purchase and obtain inventory.  A phone line and a $25 ad in the local "alternative" paper and she can be in business in a day.  And probably make more than any man doing the same job! "woman"  Amazing you can post, but can’t read "He" i was under the impression that ‘SIL’ stood for "sister-in-law." AFAIK, a SIL is a woman. or is it a gay thing?

I read it as "sister-in-law" also, so it’s apparently not a gay thing at all.  It just a matter of someone who doesn’t write clearly but thinks other folks should be able to intuit what he really meant to say with his acronym. — Ty Who is mostly just a slightly skewed Donna Reed "I’d like to say to the good citizens of Dover: If there is a disaster in your area, don’t turn to God; you just rejected him from your city. And don’t wonder why he hasn’t helped you when problems begin, if they begin. I’m not saying they will, but if they do, just remember, you just voted God out of your city. And if that’s the case, don’t ask for his help because he might not be there." ~~ Pat Robertson  "The 700 Club"

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am trying to do a mitzvah (Jewish for good deed) and am looking for pointers. A friend’s SIL has become home bound due to illness. He would like to be able to earn some income from home. The ‘net seems like a way and maybe even ebay (thanks to UPS) I am looking for helpful ideas and / or links. Phone sex might be one option. "It is better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid, than to open it and remove all doubt"  Mark Twain No pleasing some people.  An infirm, homebound woman can’t effectively sell any tangible goods online, even if she has the resources to purchase and obtain inventory.  A phone line and a $25 ad in the local "alternative" paper and she can be in business in a day.  And probably make more than any man doing the same job! "woman"  Amazing you can post, but can’t read "He"

You don’t write any better than you quote, sonny.  *I* read your first post as meaning you have a friend with a sister-in-law, and the friend wants to help the sister-in-law earn some income. But the biggest issue here is that the comment "probably make more than any man doing the same job!" is a spin-off from a joke. Of course, if you’d actually lurked here a while before stopping by to insult folks you’d have known that and you would look merely like an asshole, instead of a stupid asshole. — Ty Who is mostly just a slightly skewed Donna Reed "I’d like to say to the good citizens of Dover: If there is a disaster in your area, don’t turn to God; you just rejected him from your city. And don’t wonder why he hasn’t helped you when problems begin, if they begin. I’m not saying they will, but if they do, just remember, you just voted God out of your city. And if that’s the case, don’t ask for his help because he might not be there." ~~ Pat Robertson  "The 700 Club"

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am trying to do a mitzvah (Jewish for good deed)… I suggest blowing the chauffer. I’m pretty sure he would consider it a very good mitzvah. Cvaig "It is better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid, than to open it and remove all doubt"  Mark Twain Sorry, honey, but quoting Clemens won’t help you at all; you’d already indicated a certain level of stupidity with your original question. Think about it logicall for a minute:  would you call up a bunch of folks who shop at, oh, Sears, for instance, and ask them for tips on how to start a store?  There’s nothing easy or instant about selling on eBay if you plan to make a profit.  It takes a lot of work, a good deal of trial and error, and most of all, it takes having some marketing knowledge of *something* so you can sell successfully. There’s a wealth of information available at eBay’s <help options. Look it over.  There’s additional information here, but you have to put some time and effort into actually *reading* the posts here for a while.    Your first post here sounded as if you want *us* to do all the legwork for you so you can tell your friend how helpful you’ve been. Frankly, I think a little more humility and a lot less smart-ass would help your next posting here. [ ... ]

  Appreciate the info comments.  The OP was straight up.  The first two replies were flames and totally uncalled for.

You’re not used to posting on usenet groups, right?  No one owes you a fucking thing, including an answer to any question you might have, and I can absolutely guarentee that you have not yet been flamed by anyone in this group.   If you think the responses you received were flames, you’re in for a really big shock. — Ty Who is mostly just a slightly skewed Donna Reed "I’d like to say to the good citizens of Dover: If there is a disaster in your area, don’t turn to God; you just rejected him from your city. And don’t wonder why he hasn’t helped you when problems begin, if they begin. I’m not saying they will, but if they do, just remember, you just voted God out of your city. And if that’s the case, don’t ask for his help because he might not be there." ~~ Pat Robertson  "The 700 Club"

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – these words: I am trying to do a mitzvah (Jewish for good deed) and am looking for pointers. A friend’s SIL has become home bound due to illness. He would like to be able to earn some income from home. The ‘net seems like a way and maybe even ebay (thanks to UPS) I am looking for helpful ideas and / or links. Phone sex might be one option. "It is better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid, than to open it and remove all doubt"  Mark Twain No pleasing some people.  An infirm, homebound woman can’t effectively sell any tangible goods online, even if she has the resources to purchase and obtain inventory.  A phone line and a $25 ad in the local "alternative" paper and she can be in business in a day.  And probably make more than any man doing the same job! "woman"  Amazing you can post, but can’t read "He" i was under the impression that ‘SIL’ stood for "sister-in-law." AFAIK, a SIL is a woman. or is it a gay thing? david

Son In Law  As the post noted "he"

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am trying to do a mitzvah (Jewish for good deed)… I suggest blowing the chauffer. I’m pretty sure he would consider it a very good mitzvah. Cvaig "It is better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid,  than to open it and remove all doubt"  Mark Twain Sorry, honey, but quoting Clemens won’t help you at all; you’d already indicated a certain level of stupidity with your original question. Think about it logicall for a minute:  would you call up a bunch of folks who shop at, oh, Sears, for instance, and ask them for tips on how to start a store?  There’s nothing easy or instant about selling on eBay if you plan to make a profit.  It takes a lot of work, a good deal of trial and error, and most of all, it takes having some marketing knowledge of *something* so you can sell successfully. There’s a wealth of information available at eBay’s <help options. Look it over.  There’s additional information here, but you have to put some time and effort into actually *reading* the posts here for a while.     Your first post here sounded as if you want *us* to do all the legwork for you so you can tell your friend how helpful you’ve been. Frankly, I think a little more humility and a lot less smart-ass would help your next posting here. — Ty Who is mostly just a slightly skewed Donna Reed "I’d like to say to the good citizens of Dover: If there is a disaster in your area, don’t turn to God; you just rejected him from your city. And don’t wonder why he hasn’t helped you when problems begin, if they begin. I’m not saying they will, but if they do, just remember, you just voted God out of your city. And if that’s the case, don’t ask for his help because he might not be there." ~~ Pat Robertson  "The 700 Club"

Appreciate the info comments.  The OP was straight up.  The first two replies were flames and totally uncalled for. Lou

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these words: I am trying to do a mitzvah (Jewish for good deed) and am looking for pointers. A friend’s SIL has become home bound due to illness. He would like to be able to earn some income from home. The ‘net seems like a way and maybe even ebay (thanks to UPS) I am looking for helpful ideas and / or links.

http://www.itsjustaseasytobenicetosomeoneasitistobemean.com HTH HAND

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am trying to do a mitzvah (Jewish for good deed) and am looking for pointers. A friend’s SIL has become home bound due to illness. He would like to be able to earn some income from home. The ‘net seems like a way and maybe even ebay (thanks to UPS) I am looking for helpful ideas and / or links. Phone sex might be one option. "It is better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid, than to open it and remove all doubt"  Mark Twain No pleasing some people.  An infirm, homebound woman can’t effectively sell any tangible goods online, even if she has the resources to purchase and obtain inventory.  A phone line and a $25 ad in the local "alternative" paper and she can be in business in a day.  And probably make more than any man doing the same job!

"woman"  Amazing you can post, but can’t read "He"

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am trying to do a mitzvah (Jewish for good deed) and am looking for pointers. A friend’s SIL has become home bound due to illness. He would like to be able to earn some income from home. The ‘net seems like a way and maybe even ebay (thanks to UPS) I am looking for helpful ideas and / or links. Phone sex might be one option. "It is better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid, than to open it and remove all doubt"  Mark Twain

No pleasing some people.  An infirm, homebound woman can’t effectively sell any tangible goods online, even if she has the resources to purchase and obtain inventory.  A phone line and a $25 ad in the local "alternative" paper and she can be in business in a day.  And probably make more than any man doing the same job!

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"It is better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid,

 than to open it and remove all doubt"  Mark Twain And you are going to read and heed that just when?

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A friend’s SIL has become home bound due to illness. He would like to be able to earn some income from home. The ‘net seems like a way and maybe even ebay (thanks to UPS) I am looking for helpful ideas and / or links.

Depends what he’s interested in, and what he *knows*. Since the corporations moved in (and the ‘lttle guys’ became corporations), there’s no so much room to make a fsat buck. But there;’s still plenty of mileage in niche websites where the owner’s knowldge still counts. And it’s therepeutic, too. — Andrew http://www.weirdity.com/ebay/

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muttered something like: I am trying to do a mitzvah (Jewish for good deed) and am looking for pointers. A friend’s SIL has become home bound due to illness. He would like to be able to earn some income from home. The ‘net seems like a way and maybe even ebay (thanks to UPS) I am looking for helpful ideas and / or links.

<http://groups.google.com/group/alt.marketing.online.ebay -Bertha — (After losing a hockey ball from the roof) Dante: Are there any balls down there?   Jay: About the biggest pair you ever seen, dingleberry!

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"It is better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid,  than to open it and remove all doubt"  Mark Twain

I see you went to the Guy Macon seminar on how to copy other’s sayings. Hold your sign a little higher. Craig

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am trying to do a mitzvah (Jewish for good deed)… I suggest blowing the chauffer. I’m pretty sure he would consider it a very good mitzvah. Cvaig "It is better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid,  than to open it and remove all doubt"  Mark Twain

Sorry, honey, but quoting Clemens won’t help you at all; you’d already indicated a certain level of stupidity with your original question. Think about it logicall for a minute:  would you call up a bunch of folks who shop at, oh, Sears, for instance, and ask them for tips on how to start a store?  There’s nothing easy or instant about selling on eBay if you plan to make a profit.  It takes a lot of work, a good deal of trial and error, and most of all, it takes having some marketing knowledge of *something* so you can sell successfully. There’s a wealth of information available at eBay’s <help options. Look it over.  There’s additional information here, but you have to put some time and effort into actually *reading* the posts here for a while.     Your first post here sounded as if you want *us* to do all the legwork for you so you can tell your friend how helpful you’ve been. Frankly, I think a little more humility and a lot less smart-ass would help your next posting here. — Ty Who is mostly just a slightly skewed Donna Reed "I’d like to say to the good citizens of Dover: If there is a disaster in your area, don’t turn to God; you just rejected him from your city. And don’t wonder why he hasn’t helped you when problems begin, if they begin. I’m not saying they will, but if they do, just remember, you just voted God out of your city. And if that’s the case, don’t ask for his help because he might not be there." ~~ Pat Robertson  "The 700 Club"

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I am trying to do a mitzvah (Jewish for good deed) and am looking for pointers. A friend’s SIL has become home bound due to illness. He would like to be able to earn some income from home. The ‘net seems like a way and maybe even ebay (thanks to UPS) I am looking for helpful ideas and / or links.

Phone sex might be one option.

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I am trying to do a mitzvah (Jewish for good deed)…

I suggest blowing the chauffer. I’m pretty sure he would consider it a very good mitzvah. Cvaig

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I am trying to do a mitzvah (Jewish for good deed) and am looking for pointers. A friend’s SIL has become home bound due to illness. He would like to be able to earn some income from home. The ‘net seems like a way and maybe even ebay (thanks to UPS) I am looking for helpful ideas and / or links. Phone sex might be one option.

"It is better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid,  than to open it and remove all doubt"  Mark Twain

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I am trying to do a mitzvah (Jewish for good deed)… I suggest blowing the chauffer. I’m pretty sure he would consider it a very good mitzvah. Cvaig

"It is better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid,  than to open it and remove all doubt"  Mark Twain

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I am trying to do a mitzvah (Jewish for good deed) and am looking for pointers. A friend’s SIL has become home bound due to illness. He would like to be able to earn some income from home. The ‘net seems like a way and maybe even ebay (thanks to UPS) I am looking for helpful ideas and / or links. TIA Lou

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have sold an item to a buyer.  They claim AFTER they bought it that it is not functional without a certain piece which is stated in the auction is not included. It will work without the piece and that you can get it at any hardware store anyways. They bugged the crap out of me,  so to keep the customer happy i agreed to go out and buy it and send it with the item as long as they paid for it. I suspect that was a huge mistake on my part.  So i have to unwrap the parcel put it inside and wrap it again. I will not ship it out till what i bought is paid for.  They sent me an email  yesterday saying that it was paid.  I checked my paypal account and it does NOT show a payment from them in this amount. NOW they want the manual (which i don’t have) and they want me to state the condition of the battery which i have no idea and refuse to commit myself to. I’m new and trying to build up my feedback but i’m thinking i should refund the person the money and tell them to go elsewheres.  I suspect either way i go i’ll end up with negative feedback. I know they will be on my blocked bidder list for the future.  As for feedback.  Well time will tell.  Advice in private would be ok. All i can say about this sales experience is ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH Robert

Thats got to be aggravating. Maybe write them, explain your side/feelings and ask if both parties can just back out. Sometimes there isnt a "right" answer. Sorry thats happened to you.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Bottom line:  You did no wrong.  The buyer didn’t read the auction carefully enough or just figured he could get the part out of you after the fact by threatening you with a bogus negative.  Post his ID so I may block it, please. You’ve discovered a secret of retailing: What’s the difference between a $50 prostitute and a $1000 prostitute? $945, if you allow $5 for the clean linen. An interesting observation about human nature is that the bargain hunter expects to not only get a great deal, but then wants to get the same or better service than the buyer willing to pay top dollar.  The advantage to the company that charges top dollar is it allows them a profit margin where they can afford to bend over backwards to satisfy the customer, while at the same time, the posh customer is less likely to make demands. So often, all you accomplish by being the cheap seller is to cut your own profit while asking for trouble from customers who can’t be satisfied no matter what you do.  This inability to satisfy them stems from the fact that they’re obviously unwilling to pay the going rate in the first place.

that’s a very good point!  discovered the same thing with b&m store some time ago.  had some cheap rings that were supposedly real popular & cost somewhere around 75 cents each.  we tried selling them for 3.50, no takers.  marked em down, still no takers.  kept marking them down till they were 1.95.  still not many takers.  So, we went the other direction.  When we hit 6.95 we couldnt keep them stocked! Lesson learned, for many items customers dont know true quality of item, just what they expect to pay.  if it’s too cheap then the perception is that it must not be any good.

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Bottom line:  You did no wrong.  The buyer didn’t read the auction carefully enough or just figured he could get the part out of you after the fact by threatening you with a bogus negative.  Post his ID so I may block it, please.

You’ve discovered a secret of retailing: What’s the difference between a $50 prostitute and a $1000 prostitute? $945, if you allow $5 for the clean linen. An interesting observation about human nature is that the bargain hunter expects to not only get a great deal, but then wants to get the same or better service than the buyer willing to pay top dollar.  The advantage to the company that charges top dollar is it allows them a profit margin where they can afford to bend over backwards to satisfy the customer, while at the same time, the posh customer is less likely to make demands. So often, all you accomplish by being the cheap seller is to cut your own profit while asking for trouble from customers who can’t be satisfied no matter what you do.  This inability to satisfy them stems from the fact that they’re obviously unwilling to pay the going rate in the first place. — Outgoing mail is certified bollocks

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I have sold an item to a buyer.  They claim AFTER they bought it that it is not functional without a certain piece which is stated in the auction is not included. It will work without the piece and that you can get it at any hardware store anyways. They bugged the crap out of me,  so to keep the customer happy i agreed to go out and buy it and send it with the item as long as they paid for it.  I suspect that was a huge mistake on my part.  So i have to unwrap the parcel put it inside and wrap it again. I will not ship it out till what i bought is paid for.  They sent me an email  yesterday saying that it was paid.  I checked my paypal account and it does NOT show a payment from them in this amount. NOW they want the manual (which i don’t have) and they want me to state the condition of the battery which i have no idea and refuse to commit myself to. I’m new and trying to build up my feedback but i’m thinking i should refund the person the money and tell them to go elsewheres.  I suspect either way i go i’ll end up with negative feedback. I know they will be on my blocked bidder list for the future.  As for feedback.  Well time will tell.  Advice in private would be ok. All i can say about this sales experience is ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH Robert

Some people won’t be pleased. I think you should refund, tell them they don’t appear to be happy with the item as you are auctioning it… i.e. without part, manual, battery condition, etc… and therefore you are closing the transaction.  You probably will end up with negative feedback, which hurts when you are new. But it’s not guaranteed. Some folks don’t retaliate. Reply factually and you can probably ride it out. This person may be trying to push you because they can see from your feedback you are new. Definitely block them from bidding. I hope you have not left them feedback yet! Cynthia

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I’m new and trying to build up my feedback but i’m thinking i should refund the person the money and tell them to go elsewheres.  I suspect either way i go i’ll end up with negative feedback.

I feel bad for you.  It does suck when you are new and facing your first negative or whatever.  By my stage in the game, I give a neg when it’s deserved but, as a newbie, I could see why perhaps you would like to avoid retaliation. Welcome to eBay’s shitty feedback/extortion system. I know they will be on my blocked bidder list for the future.

My advice for you at this point would be this – what are you willing to pay in time and effort to avoid the negative?  Sounds like you don’t "owe" the guy jack if in your auction you said the piece was missing and that it wouldn’t be included in the auction. Set a limit for yourself as to what you’re willing to do to avoid the negative and stick with it. Bottom line:  You did no wrong.  The buyer didn’t read the auction carefully enough or just figured he could get the part out of you after the fact by threatening you with a bogus negative.  Post his ID so I may block it, please. Best of luck, John in NH ~~~ The biggest obstacle on the path to success is the stupidity of others. LIBBY FOR PRESIDENT! My eBay Stuff: http://tinyurl.com/u0fi

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have sold an item to a buyer.  They claim AFTER they bought it that it is not functional without a certain piece which is stated in the auction is not included. It will work without the piece and that you can get it at any hardware store anyways. They bugged the crap out of me,  so to keep the customer happy i agreed to go out and buy it and send it with the item as long as they paid for it.  I suspect that was a huge mistake on my part.  So i have to unwrap the parcel put it inside and wrap it again. I will not ship it out till what i bought is paid for.  They sent me an email  yesterday saying that it was paid.  I checked my paypal account and it does NOT show a payment from them in this amount. NOW they want the manual (which i don’t have) and they want me to state the condition of the battery which i have no idea and refuse to commit myself to. I’m new and trying to build up my feedback but i’m thinking i should refund the person the money and tell them to go elsewheres.  I suspect either way i go i’ll end up with negative feedback. I know they will be on my blocked bidder list for the future.  As for feedback.  Well time will tell.  Advice in private would be ok. All i can say about this sales experience is ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH Robert

This is my 2 cents … not that it’s worth 2 cents …. if you listed your item truthfully and it wasn’t good enough for the person who placed a bid, there isn’t much you can do.  Bending over backwards to help someone is an admirable thing … but some don’t appreciate it a bit. I generally call these people "Rosalie" (after an experience I had in the past with someone by that name) and invite them to kill themselves.   Refund their money, relist the item, add them to your blocked list and wait. While waiting, file an NPB form (though it has changed) and say the person refused to pay for the item (which is true because they didn’t pay for the piece you had to buy).  This way, you can get your FVF back (it shouldn’t cost you money to sell something that doesn’t sell for whatever reason), that idiot gets a strike against them (3 of them and they’ll be NARU at least for a little while … or at least that’s the way it was in the past). If they drop a neg for you, drop one back, but be factual and calm. Yes, your feedback rating will suffer for a bit (until you buy a couple of things to bring it back up) but you will have done the right thing.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have sold an item to a buyer.  They claim AFTER they bought it that it is not functional without a certain piece which is stated in the auction is not included. It will work without the piece and that you can get it at any hardware store anyways. They bugged the crap out of me,  so to keep the customer happy i agreed to go out and buy it and send it with the item as long as they paid for it.  I suspect that was a huge mistake on my part.  So i have to unwrap the parcel put it inside and wrap it again. I will not ship it out till what i bought is paid for.  They sent me an email  yesterday saying that it was paid.  I checked my paypal account and it does NOT show a payment from them in this amount. NOW they want the manual (which i don’t have) and they want me to state the condition of the battery which i have no idea and refuse to commit myself to. I’m new and trying to build up my feedback but i’m thinking i should refund the person the money and tell them to go elsewheres.  I suspect either way i go i’ll end up with negative feedback. I know they will be on my blocked bidder list for the future.  As for feedback.  Well time will tell.  Advice in private would be ok. All i can say about this sales experience is ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH Robert

some people just cant be pleased, no matter what you do.  I’d reiterate what you had already said, that the extra piece was conditional upon their paying for said extra piece (in addition to the auction).  That the listing stated it was not included and that you offered to included it if they picked up the tab on it. As for the manual and the battery, did you state in listing that the manual was not included and the battery condition was "as is / no warranty"?   If so, would point that out to them too. Would conclude the email with will gladly refund initial payment and cancel transaction, but this will result in a NPB and FVF being filed with ebay.

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I have sold an item to a buyer.  They claim AFTER they bought it that it is not functional without a certain piece which is stated in the auction is not included. It will work without the piece and that you can get it at any hardware store anyways. They bugged the crap out of me,  so to keep the customer happy i agreed to go out and buy it and send it with the item as long as they paid for it.  I suspect that was a huge mistake on my part.  So i have to unwrap the parcel put it inside and wrap it again. I will not ship it out till what i bought is paid for.  They sent me an email  yesterday saying that it was paid.  I checked my paypal account and it does NOT show a payment from them in this amount. NOW they want the manual (which i don’t have) and they want me to state the condition of the battery which i have no idea and refuse to commit myself to. I’m new and trying to build up my feedback but i’m thinking i should refund the person the money and tell them to go elsewheres.  I suspect either way i go i’ll end up with negative feedback. I know they will be on my blocked bidder list for the future.  As for feedback.  Well time will tell.  Advice in private would be ok. All i can say about this sales experience is ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH Robert

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Hi, I had a seller once email me because she wanted the doll’s dresses for her daughter’s birthday and she felt that when the auction ended, they wouldn’t get there in time.  She was the high bidder on a couple of my auctions and wanted me to end them immediatlely.  I told her I couldn’t end my auctions early but I told her she could retract her bids and I could make some more outfits and send them in a couple of days for a set price.  (I know…highly disapproved of by eBay..but she contacted me, not vice versa)   I told her honestly that I didn’t feel it was fair to my other bidders, because I had other bids on my auctions and the price might go higher than her bid. In the end, she refused my offer and just waited it out.  I think she won one of them and it turned out that it got to her home before whenever she said her daughter’s birthday was. I guess in short, I should have said.  Politely tell your bidder you don’t end auctions early. Gwendolyn www.fancipantzdresses.com

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi All, First time post so be gental with me, I received an email from somebody wanting to buy and collect one of my auctions sales, next week as he is in the area, he wants me to end the auction early and pay cash on collection, after thinking about it a little I thought I would ask for advice, my thought is what happens if end the auction early and he doesn`t turn up for the goods ? Cheers P.

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he wants me to end the auction early and pay cash on collection,

Ending an auction early, to me, seems akin to breaking your word. Bidders see that the auction ends on a certain date, giving them the opportunity to discuss the purchase with their spouse, check their bank account, earn more money to PAY for it if they win or just wait until the last minute as a bidding strategy. When the auction suddenly ends early you’ve cheated all those people who may have wanted to bid. How would you feel if Sears advertised a "SALE" that ends Saturday, you went in to buy on Friday and the clerk said "Sorry, we decided to end the sale on Thursday"?  

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How would you feel if Sears advertised a "SALE" that ends Saturday, you went in to buy on Friday and the clerk said "Sorry, we decided to end the sale on Thursday"?

Couldn’t agree more.  Your analogy should go down in amoe history as the definitive answer on the subject Feathers

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Hi All, First time post so be gental with me, I received an email from somebody wanting to buy and collect one of my auctions sales, next week as he is in the area, he wants me to end the auction early and pay cash on collection, after thinking about it a little I thought I would ask for advice, my thought is what happens if end the auction early and he doesn`t turn up for the goods ? Cheers P.

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the words: Hi All, First time post so be gental with me,

gentle, or genital? david — http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/derbarbier/ (ebay sales) http://tinyurl.com/6xy  (half.com sales) stickneedlesinme at mindspring dot com

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oops … gentle, advice on people asking to end auctions early in general please. Thanks Paul

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – the words: Hi All, First time post so be gental with me, gentle, or genital? david — http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/derbarbier/ (ebay sales) http://tinyurl.com/6xy  (half.com sales) stickneedlesinme at mindspring dot com

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – oops … gentle, advice on people asking to end auctions early in general please. Thanks Paul the words: Hi All, First time post so be gental with me, gentle, or genital? david — http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/derbarbier/ (ebay sales) http://tinyurl.com/6xy  (half.com sales) stickneedlesinme at mindspring dot com

why not play semi-fair. tell him to stay in the auction, and if he’s winning next week when he’s arround, you’ll end it when he pays you the cash —              Alex Threlfall – Cyberprog New Media Computer Hardware  |    Web Hosting    |  Software Development www.cyberprog.com  | www.cyberprog.net |  www.cyberprog.co.uk

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First time post so be gental with me, I received an email from somebody wanting to buy and collect one of my auctions sales, next week as he is in the area, he wants me to end the auction early and pay cash on collection, after thinking about it a little I thought I would ask for advice, my thought is what happens if end the auction early and he doesn`t turn up for the goods ?

Short answer:  Don’t do it. Longer answer:  Your gut instinct in worrying about whether the buyer flakes out after you’ve ended your auction is a good indication of why this is a bad idea.  Politely tell the bidder that you’d prefer to let the auction run its course and he/she is welcome to bid on it themselves. http://members.aol.com/kimmurphy/ Kimberly’s Barbie Collection: http://members.aol.com/kimmurphy/barbies.html

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Hi All, First time post so be gentle with me, I received an email from somebody wanting to buy and collect one of my auctions sales, next week as he is in the area, he wants me to end the auction early and pay cash on collection, after thinking about it a little I thought I would ask for advice, my thought is what happens if end the auction early and he doesn`t turn up for the goods ? Cheers P.

I wouldn’t do it. The general consensus is that ending auctions early is foolish. As you’ve already figured out there’s the little catch of ‘what if he doesn’t show’. Then you’re stuck for the listing fees, etc, with no buyer. Also, you may be pleasantly surprised if it ends higher than what he’s offering. You might suggest that he go ahead and bid on eBay, and that you would be willing to make arrangements for him to pick it up (to save on shipping). That’s assuming you are willing to have someone come to your house. Some folks are, some folks aren’t. It’s often suggested that  you meet at a neutral location. You might also consider how to make sure you really do have the payment. Good Luck, Cecilia

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     You may want to get a dictionary and look up the word "auction".

Belittling your bidders is an excellent way to garner higher sales. — Phil, Squid-in-Training

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Hi All, First time post so be gental with me, I received an email from somebody wanting to buy and collect one of my auctions sales, next week as he is in the area, he wants me to end the auction early and pay cash on collection, after thinking about it a little I thought I would ask for advice, my thought is what happens if end the auction early and he doesn`t turn up for the goods ?

"Hi, many thanks for the query.  I never end auctions early, but if you win this one please contact me to see if we can arrange a mutually convenient time for collection.  Best wishes…" Feathers

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – the words: Hi All, First time post so be gental with me, gentle, or genital? david — http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/derbarbier/ (ebay sales) http://tinyurl.com/6xy  (half.com sales) stickneedlesinme at mindspring dot com

idiot.

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"PS"  wrote in a message … First time post so be gental with me, I received an email from somebody wanting to buy and collect one of my auctions sales, next week as he is in the area, he wants me to end the auction early and pay cash on collection, after thinking about it a little I thought I would ask for advice, my thought is what happens if end the auction early and he doesn`t turn up for the goods ?

     My reply would go something like this: – - – - – - – - – -      I am selling this item for as much money as I can get.  Please bid on it.  If you bid more than anyone else, you will win.      You may want to get a dictionary and look up the word "auction". – - – - – - – - – - Chris

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Hi All, First time post so be gental with me, I received an email from somebody wanting to buy and collect one of my auctions sales, next week as he is in the area, he wants me to end the auction early and pay cash on collection, after thinking about it a little I thought I would ask for advice, my thought is what happens if end the auction early and he doesn`t turn up for the goods ? Cheers P.

Don’t do it. I can’t think of any good reason why he’d need you to end the auction early, if he’s not going to "be in the area" until next week.   I don’t know what your item is, but there could be a possibility that he knows it’s worth much more than you’re asking. Tell him to bid.  If he wins, he can pick it up next week. Kris

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What they couldn’t understand was that the computer isn’t my life and they were only like an annoyance at worst, an amusement occasionally.

I’ve been a computer programmer for 20 years and have extensive knowledge of networks, the internet, and computer security.  I pity the fool who tries to use the internet to disrupt my life. Eric http://www.datasync.com/~ericfree "The election of Hoover should result in continued prosperity for 1929." – Roger Babson, financial statistician.

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I’ve been a computer programmer for 20 years and have extensive knowledge of networks, the internet, and computer security.  I pity the fool who tries to use the internet to disrupt my life. Eric

I was a computer programmer in the late 60s and early 70s. To compare that to now is like comparing a Model T to a new Lincoln. I hear people bitching about web site errors and mistakes all the time.  They should have been around in the early days. John

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -****Suzy**** She didn’t answer, so I sent this to her today. After receiving this email, I’m very sorry I left you positive feedback. I sure wish I could change it. ****Suzy**** She responded with this. the feeling is mutual, I assure you! What do you think of this? What in my feedback or email to her would have set her off like this? She might not like the feedback I left, but I guarantee she would like it better than what I would leave if I could change it!

I have come to the conclusion that there are just some sellers who are insane. (http://hcarchives.webjump.com/charmfree.html for my example.) http://members.aol.com/kimmurphy/ Kimberly’s Barbie Collection: http://psarchives.webjump.com/barbies/

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Use a different user name to bid on (and win) one of her auctions and then use that one to slam her with negative feedback. Eric http://www.datasync.com/~ericfree "The election of Hoover should result in continued prosperity for 1929." – Roger Babson, financial statistician.

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There’s a time when you accept the fact that you’re dealing with an idiot, acknowledge that no real harm was done, and get on with your life, making sure you never send said idiot any business in the future. This is definitely one of those situations.  There are times when the only thing that really helps is to blow off a little steam, and the original poster already did that.  Getting even is usually more trouble than it’s worth, unless you really have some damage done. Richard Ward – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Use a different user name to bid on (and win) one of her auctions and then use that one to slam her with negative feedback. Eric http://www.datasync.com/~ericfree "The election of Hoover should result in continued prosperity for 1929." – Roger Babson, financial statistician.

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Heee heee hee heeeee ! I like the way your mind works ….. Marc

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In fact, if I can add to this, as tempting as revenge is, it only keeps the situation going.  Then the original person feels the need to get you back, because they don’t feel like they did anything wrong in the first place.  And on and on….if I sound like I’m speaking from experience, it’s because I am. I had a person sending me nasty emails, trying to contact me pretending to be somebody I knew, I won’t even go into all the details.  I ignored them as long as I could, then decided to play some games of my own.  Of course they knew it was me and doubled their efforts to make my life miserable.  What they couldn’t understand was that the computer isn’t my life and they were only like an annoyance at worst, an amusement occasionally.  I didn’t think it would ever end, even when I finally stopped responding in any way, but it eventually did. This is awful, but they ended up getting cancer and dying within a few months of diagnosis.  This was somebody that I knew from real life and I even checked the obituaries to make sure it was true.  I know that makes me sound like a bad person, but I wouldn’t have put it past them to make that up. Rhonda – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -There’s a time when you accept the fact that you’re dealing with an idiot, acknowledge that no real harm was done, and get on with your life, making sure you never send said idiot any business in the future. This is definitely one of those situations.  There are times when the only thing that really helps is to blow off a little steam, and the original poster already did that.  Getting even is usually more trouble than it’s worth, unless you really have some damage done. Richard Ward Use a different user name to bid on (and win) one of her auctions and then use that one to slam her with negative feedback. Eric http://www.datasync.com/~ericfree "The election of Hoover should result in continued prosperity for 1929." – Roger Babson, financial statistician.

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She sounds like she needs a pair of glasses and a better therapist, there was nothing negative about your feedback in my eyes. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The first sample I tried was a lotion that had gone bad. It was no big deal. I know she had no way of knowing a sealed package was bad, but I thought she would want to know in case she had more like it she was selling. Below, I’m pasting the email we exchanged after this. Hi Deborah, I received my package and left you feedback. I wanted to let you know that one of the samples had gone bad. It was the Hermes lotion. It was very runny and smelled bad. I know you had no way of knowing, so I thought I should tell you in case you had more of it and wanted to check it. Here is the feedback I left. Thanks! Received my stuff very quick. Was very nicely packaged. ****Suzy**** This was her response: Suzy: I am really sorry about that sample and would have liked the opportunity to make it up to you in some way.  I sell for fun more than for profit, so I would not hesitate to give a refund or send you something else nice.  Why on earth would I want anyone to be unhappy with something I sold them?!! It is obvious you had no faith that I would make good on the bad sample despite my very clear note with the package saying "PLEASE DO NOT HESITATE TO CONTACT ME IF YOU HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH YOUR PURCHASE." If you had read that & believed it, you would have contacted me before leaving such crappy feedback.  I guess this will teach me to leave such enthusiastic feedback for a buyer before I see their feedback about me (luckily, this sort of thing only happens with new ebayers like you)! Since you took your own form of payback with that feedback, I do not feel I owe you anything else.  Had you bothered to look at MY 136 feedback comments before writing that, you would have known that I would have done almost anything to be able to count you among my happy customers. If you continue to buy & sell on ebay, perhaps you will do what those of us with many transactions under our belts do, and that is to contact the seller FIRST and see if she/he wants to try to make the transaction right.  This has only happened to me once before and I gave a refund within 10 minutes of hearing about the problem, no questions asked.  And I assure you I received glowing feedback from that buyer, including the comment "would do business with again." After all, Suzy, things get screwed up sometimes.  All a person/seller can do in that situation is make it right, but you did not even give me that opportunity.  It was not intentional on my part, and I would have gladly given you some sort of refund or sent you something special for your trouble. Maybe if this ever happens to you again, you will give the next seller a chance before leaving crummy feedback. deborah goodall Why would she think my feedback was "crappy" and "crummy"? It was positive feedback. I didn’t rave about the product, but gee, the only one I’ve tried so far was rotten! Here is my answer to that message. I’m completely confused by your idiotic email. I left you positive feedback. Listed as praise. Here is a copy. Praise: Received my stuff very quick. Was very nicely packaged. What is crummy about that? I was completely satisfied with my purchase and only told you about the bad sample in case you had more just like it and would want to check one or two before sending them out. Obviously you had no way of knowing it was bad. Also what makes you think I’m new to eBay? I’ve been buying from there for at least a couple of years. As far as you "would have done almost  anything to be able to count you among my happy customers", I was a completely happy customer before I received this email. ****Suzy**** She didn’t answer, so I sent this to her today. After receiving this email, I’m very sorry I left you positive feedback. I sure wish I could change it. ****Suzy**** She responded with this. the feeling is mutual, I assure you! What do you think of this? What in my feedback or email to her would have set her off like this? She might not like the feedback I left, but I guarantee she would like it better than what I would leave if I could change it!

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You just cant please some people at all, sound like she (the nutcase seller) probably already knew the product was bad and was pissed and scared she would get stuck with a load of product. I saw nothing negative in your FB,

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thanks to all of you who posted. I feel better. I really was confused by her behavior. I’m tempted to tell her to come and read my post and all of your responses, but I’m sure she would still think she is right. Thanks again. — ****Suzy**** Definitely a nutcase.  Don’t give it anymore thought, you did nothing wrong. See what happens when you try to do something nice!!  You were trying to let her know about the possibility of more "bad" lotion and a really unsatisfied customer or two. She managed to turn a happy customer into a very unhappy one.  Touche to you, Suzy, for your reply: … I was a completely happy customer before I received this email. Well said!  What more can you do except chalk it up to her having a bad day. But she really is a very naive seller and must develop a thick hide. She has no idea what rough FB is!!  And hopefully she never will, but I doubt it with an arrogant attitude like that.  Sounds like she is a live bomb on a hair trigger to me.  I pity the man in her life right now! EB "I am woman, hear me roar.  (And bitch, bitch, bitch!)"

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I don’t often say this, but "very well said, Rod" Bowser

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behavior. I’m tempted to tell her to come and read my post and all of your responses, but I’m sure she would still think she is right. Thanks again.

I wouldn’t invite her— she’s not going to realise you’re right, and she might get really mad about her email address being posted in a newsgroup… consider it more of a ‘payback’ for you, if you want, because she’s probably going to be spammed to death as a result

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I don’t often say this, but "very well said, Rod" Bowser

Gee, thanks Bowser, I don’t hear it very often either. Rod

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Why would she think my feedback was "crappy" and "crummy"? It was positive feedback. I didn’t rave about the product, but gee, the only one I’ve tried so far was rotten! Here is my answer to that message.

Don’t sweat it, Suzy.  Ebay is just like real life:  Sometimes you end up dealing with a jerk.  Write it off, and cross the bitch off your "preferred vendor" list. <g

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writes: Hi Deborah, I received my package and left you feedback. I wanted to let you know that one of the samples had gone bad. It was the Hermes lotion. It was very runny and smelled bad. I know you had no way of knowing, so I thought I should tell you in case you had more of it and wanted to check it. Here is the feedback I left. Thanks! Received my stuff very quick. Was very nicely packaged.

Suzy, Your email is something I could easily have written. The response you got floored me.  This sort of situation just happened to me last week for the first time.  I, too, posted to this group and EVERYONE made me feel better.  There are people in this world that are always on the defensive – they look at things in a way different from you and me.  At least you responded to her email in a way that should make you feel better – I apologized….and still haven’t received payment in my situation. But at least I will be able to post a negative feedback.   DonnaB

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Thanks to all of you who posted. I feel better. I really was confused by her behavior. I’m tempted to tell her to come and read my post and all of your responses, but I’m sure she would still think she is right. Thanks again.

This idea has come up before, Suzy & in fact has been done at least once with not-so-happy results.  The new reader reads all the comments supportive of you & feels attacked as a result.  No good can come from that.  Remember that there are some people too who seem to seek conflict first, and even to prefer it.  It seems to validate their belief that the world is against them.  You really don’t want people like that hanging out here!  We need to stay as sweet as we are, after all, so that we can continue to come here to lick our wounds, seek solace and grow new skin before going back up to the front lines. <G Rod

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Maybe she forgot to take her Prozac? I didn’t see anything wrong with the feedback that you left. Kimberly

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The first sample I tried was a lotion that had gone bad. It was no big deal. I know she had no way of knowing a sealed package was bad, but I thought she would want to know in case she had more like it she was selling. Below, I’m pasting the email we exchanged after this. Hi Deborah, I received my package and left you feedback. I wanted to let you know that one of the samples had gone bad. It was the Hermes lotion. It was very runny and smelled bad. I know you had no way of knowing, so I thought I should tell you in case you had more of it and wanted to check it. Here is the feedback I left. Thanks! Received my stuff very quick. Was very nicely packaged. ****Suzy**** This was her response: Suzy: I am really sorry about that sample and would have liked the opportunity to make it up to you in some way.  I sell for fun more than for profit, so I would not hesitate to give a refund or send you something else nice.  Why on earth would I want anyone to be unhappy with something I sold them?!! It is obvious you had no faith that I would make good on the bad sample despite my very clear note with the package saying "PLEASE DO NOT HESITATE TO CONTACT ME IF YOU HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH YOUR PURCHASE." If you had read that & believed it, you would have contacted me before leaving such crappy feedback.  I guess this will teach me to leave such enthusiastic feedback for a buyer before I see their feedback about me (luckily, this sort of thing only happens with new ebayers like you)! Since you took your own form of payback with that feedback, I do not feel I owe you anything else.  Had you bothered to look at MY 136 feedback comments before writing that, you would have known that I would have done almost anything to be able to count you among my happy customers. If you continue to buy & sell on ebay, perhaps you will do what those of us with many transactions under our belts do, and that is to contact the seller FIRST and see if she/he wants to try to make the transaction right.  This has only happened to me once before and I gave a refund within 10 minutes of hearing about the problem, no questions asked.  And I assure you I received glowing feedback from that buyer, including the comment "would do business with again." After all, Suzy, things get screwed up sometimes.  All a person/seller can do in that situation is make it right, but you did not even give me that opportunity.  It was not intentional on my part, and I would have gladly given you some sort of refund or sent you something special for your trouble. Maybe if this ever happens to you again, you will give the next seller a chance before leaving crummy feedback. deborah goodall Why would she think my feedback was "crappy" and "crummy"? It was positive feedback. I didn’t rave about the product, but gee, the only one I’ve tried so far was rotten! Here is my answer to that message. I’m completely confused by your idiotic email. I left you positive feedback. Listed as praise. Here is a copy. Praise: Received my stuff very quick. Was very nicely packaged. What is crummy about that? I was completely satisfied with my purchase and only told you about the bad sample in case you had more just like it and would want to check one or two before sending them out. Obviously you had no way of knowing it was bad. Also what makes you think I’m new to eBay? I’ve been buying from there for at least a couple of years. As far as you "would have done almost  anything to be able to count you among my happy customers", I was a completely happy customer before I received this email. ****Suzy**** She didn’t answer, so I sent this to her today. After receiving this email, I’m very sorry I left you positive feedback. I sure wish I could change it. ****Suzy**** She responded with this. the feeling is mutual, I assure you! What do you think of this? What in my feedback or email to her would have set her off like this? She might not like the feedback I left, but I guarantee she would like it better than what I would leave if I could change it!

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The first sample I tried was a lotion that had gone bad. It was no big deal. I know she had no way of knowing a sealed package was bad, but I thought she would want to know in case she had more like it she was selling. Below, I’m pasting the email we exchanged after this. Hi Deborah, I received my package and left you feedback. I wanted to let you know that one of the samples had gone bad. It was the Hermes lotion. It was very runny and smelled bad. I know you had no way of knowing, so I thought I should tell you in case you had more of it and wanted to check it. Here is the feedback I left. Thanks! Received my stuff very quick. Was very nicely packaged. ****Suzy**** This was her response: Suzy: I am really sorry about that sample and would have liked the opportunity to make it up to you in some way.  I sell for fun more than for profit, so I would not hesitate to give a refund or send you something else nice.  Why on earth would I want anyone to be unhappy with something I sold them?!! It is obvious you had no faith that I would make good on the bad sample despite my very clear note with the package saying "PLEASE DO NOT HESITATE TO CONTACT ME IF YOU HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH YOUR PURCHASE." If you had read that & believed it, you would have contacted me before leaving such crappy feedback.  I guess this will teach me to leave such enthusiastic feedback for a buyer before I see their feedback about me (luckily, this sort of thing only happens with new ebayers like you)! Since you took your own form of payback with that feedback, I do not feel I owe you anything else.  Had you bothered to look at MY 136 feedback comments before writing that, you would have known that I would have done almost anything to be able to count you among my happy customers. If you continue to buy & sell on ebay, perhaps you will do what those of us with many transactions under our belts do, and that is to contact the seller FIRST and see if she/he wants to try to make the transaction right.  This has only happened to me once before and I gave a refund within 10 minutes of hearing about the problem, no questions asked.  And I assure you I received glowing feedback from that buyer, including the comment "would do business with again." After all, Suzy, things get screwed up sometimes.  All a person/seller can do in that situation is make it right, but you did not even give me that opportunity.  It was not intentional on my part, and I would have gladly given you some sort of refund or sent you something special for your trouble. Maybe if this ever happens to you again, you will give the next seller a chance before leaving crummy feedback. deborah goodall Why would she think my feedback was "crappy" and "crummy"? It was positive feedback. I didn’t rave about the product, but gee, the only one I’ve tried so far was rotten! Here is my answer to that message. I’m completely confused by your idiotic email. I left you positive feedback. Listed as praise. Here is a copy. Praise: Received my stuff very quick. Was very nicely packaged. What is crummy about that? I was completely satisfied with my purchase and only told you about the bad sample in case you had more just like it and would want to check one or two before sending them out. Obviously you had no way of knowing it was bad. Also what makes you think I’m new to eBay? I’ve been buying from there for at least a couple of years. As far as you "would have done almost  anything to be able to count you among my happy customers", I was a completely happy customer before I received this email. ****Suzy**** She didn’t answer, so I sent this to her today. After receiving this email, I’m very sorry I left you positive feedback. I sure wish I could change it. ****Suzy**** She responded with this. the feeling is mutual, I assure you! What do you think of this? What in my feedback or email to her would have set her off like this? She might not like the feedback I left, but I guarantee she would like it better than what I would leave if I could change it!

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See what happens when you try to do something nice!!  You were trying to let her know about the possibility of more "bad" lotion and a really unsatisfied customer or two. She managed to turn a happy customer into a very unhappy one.  Touche to you, Suzy, for your reply: … I was a completely happy customer before I received this email. Well said!  What more can you do except chalk it up to her having a bad day. But she really is a very naive seller and must develop a thick hide.  She has no idea what rough FB is!!  And hopefully she never will, but I doubt it with an arrogant attitude like that.  Sounds like she is a live bomb on a hair trigger to me.  I pity the man in her life right now! EB "I am woman, hear me roar.  (And bitch, bitch, bitch!)"

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What do you think of this? What in my feedback or email to her would have set her off like this? She might not like the feedback I left, but I guarantee she would like it better than what I would leave if I could change it…

She’s a loser — write it off. Anyone who gets incensed by the *degree* of praise in a positive feedback is way too invested in gaining a sense of self-worth from ebay, suggesting she can’t get it anywhere else. No buyer goes through somebody’s feedback profile reading the content of positive feedbacks. Sheesh. Your handling of the situation was fine. albert

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Definitely a nutcase.  Don’t give it anymore thought, you did nothing wrong. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – See what happens when you try to do something nice!!  You were trying to let her know about the possibility of more "bad" lotion and a really unsatisfied customer or two. She managed to turn a happy customer into a very unhappy one.  Touche to you, Suzy, for your reply: … I was a completely happy customer before I received this email. Well said!  What more can you do except chalk it up to her having a bad day. But she really is a very naive seller and must develop a thick hide.  She has no idea what rough FB is!!  And hopefully she never will, but I doubt it with an arrogant attitude like that.  Sounds like she is a live bomb on a hair trigger to me.  I pity the man in her life right now! EB "I am woman, hear me roar.  (And bitch, bitch, bitch!)"

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Thanks to all of you who posted. I feel better. I really was confused by her behavior. I’m tempted to tell her to come and read my post and all of your responses, but I’m sure she would still think she is right. Thanks again. — ****Suzy****

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Definitely a nutcase.  Don’t give it anymore thought, you did nothing wrong. See what happens when you try to do something nice!!  You were trying to let her know about the possibility of more "bad" lotion and a really unsatisfied customer or two. She managed to turn a happy customer into a very unhappy one.  Touche to you, Suzy, for your reply: … I was a completely happy customer before I received this email. Well said!  What more can you do except chalk it up to her having a bad day. But she really is a very naive seller and must develop a thick hide. She has no idea what rough FB is!!  And hopefully she never will, but I doubt it with an arrogant attitude like that.  Sounds like she is a live bomb on a hair trigger to me.  I pity the man in her life right now! EB "I am woman, hear me roar.  (And bitch, bitch, bitch!)"

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What a bitch!  I’m sorry you had such a bad experience with this seller, hopefully you realize that some people are just weird and nothing  you can say or do will convince her that you didn’t do anything wrong.  I’ve come across many people like that, a few on Ebay, but the rest were through my work, etc. They always feel like the victim and refuse to take responsibility for their own actions.  It’s like some kind of defect in their personality.  She’s the loser here, if she would have just offered to make it right with you, and keep you as a satisfied customer, it sounds like you would have bought from her again. Rhonda – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The first sample I tried was a lotion that had gone bad. It was no big deal. I know she had no way of knowing a sealed package was bad, but I thought she would want to know in case she had more like it she was selling. Below, I’m pasting the email we exchanged after this. Hi Deborah, I received my package and left you feedback. I wanted to let you know that one of the samples had gone bad. It was the Hermes lotion. It was very runny and smelled bad. I know you had no way of knowing, so I thought I should tell you in case you had more of it and wanted to check it. Here is the feedback I left. Thanks! Received my stuff very quick. Was very nicely packaged. ****Suzy**** This was her response: Suzy: I am really sorry about that sample and would have liked the opportunity to make it up to you in some way.  I sell for fun more than for profit, so I would not hesitate to give a refund or send you something else nice.  Why on earth would I want anyone to be unhappy with something I sold them?!! It is obvious you had no faith that I would make good on the bad sample despite my very clear note with the package saying "PLEASE DO NOT HESITATE TO CONTACT ME IF YOU HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH YOUR PURCHASE." If you had read that & believed it, you would have contacted me before leaving such crappy feedback.  I guess this will teach me to leave such enthusiastic feedback for a buyer before I see their feedback about me (luckily, this sort of thing only happens with new ebayers like you)! Since you took your own form of payback with that feedback, I do not feel I owe you anything else.  Had you bothered to look at MY 136 feedback comments before writing that, you would have known that I would have done almost anything to be able to count you among my happy customers. If you continue to buy & sell on ebay, perhaps you will do what those of us with many transactions under our belts do, and that is to contact the seller FIRST and see if she/he wants to try to make the transaction right.  This has only happened to me once before and I gave a refund within 10 minutes of hearing about the problem, no questions asked.  And I assure you I received glowing feedback from that buyer, including the comment "would do business with again." After all, Suzy, things get screwed up sometimes.  All a person/seller can do in that situation is make it right, but you did not even give me that opportunity.  It was not intentional on my part, and I would have gladly given you some sort of refund or sent you something special for your trouble. Maybe if this ever happens to you again, you will give the next seller a chance before leaving crummy feedback. deborah goodall Why would she think my feedback was "crappy" and "crummy"? It was positive feedback. I didn’t rave about the product, but gee, the only one I’ve tried so far was rotten! Here is my answer to that message. I’m completely confused by your idiotic email. I left you positive feedback. Listed as praise. Here is a copy. Praise: Received my stuff very quick. Was very nicely packaged. What is crummy about that? I was completely satisfied with my purchase and only told you about the bad sample in case you had more just like it and would want to check one or two before sending them out. Obviously you had no way of knowing it was bad. Also what makes you think I’m new to eBay? I’ve been buying from there for at least a couple of years. As far as you "would have done almost  anything to be able to count you among my happy customers", I was a completely happy customer before I received this email. ****Suzy**** She didn’t answer, so I sent this to her today. After receiving this email, I’m very sorry I left you positive feedback. I sure wish I could change it. ****Suzy**** She responded with this. the feeling is mutual, I assure you! What do you think of this? What in my feedback or email to her would have set her off like this? She might not like the feedback I left, but I guarantee she would like it better than what I would leave if I could change it!

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The first sample I tried was a lotion that had gone bad. It was no big deal. I know she had no way of knowing a sealed package was bad, but I thought she would want to know in case she had more like it she was selling. Below, I’m pasting the email we exchanged after this. Hi Deborah, I received my package and left you feedback. I wanted to let you know that one of the samples had gone bad. It was the Hermes lotion. It was very runny and smelled bad. I know you had no way of knowing, so I thought I should tell you in case you had more of it and wanted to check it. Here is the feedback I left. Thanks! Received my stuff very quick. Was very nicely packaged. ****Suzy**** This was her response: Suzy: I am really sorry about that sample and would have liked the opportunity to make it up to you in some way.  I sell for fun more than for profit, so I would not hesitate to give a refund or send you something else nice.  Why on earth would I want anyone to be unhappy with something I sold them?!! It is obvious you had no faith that I would make good on the bad sample despite my very clear note with the package saying "PLEASE DO NOT HESITATE TO CONTACT ME IF YOU HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH YOUR PURCHASE." If you had read that & believed it, you would have contacted me before leaving such crappy feedback.  I guess this will teach me to leave such enthusiastic feedback for a buyer before I see their feedback about me (luckily, this sort of thing only happens with new ebayers like you)! Since you took your own form of payback with that feedback, I do not feel I owe you anything else.  Had you bothered to look at MY 136 feedback comments before writing that, you would have known that I would have done almost anything to be able to count you among my happy customers. If you continue to buy & sell on ebay, perhaps you will do what those of us with many transactions under our belts do, and that is to contact the seller FIRST and see if she/he wants to try to make the transaction right.  This has only happened to me once before and I gave a refund within 10 minutes of hearing about the problem, no questions asked.  And I assure you I received glowing feedback from that buyer, including the comment "would do business with again." After all, Suzy, things get screwed up sometimes.  All a person/seller can do in that situation is make it right, but you did not even give me that opportunity.  It was not intentional on my part, and I would have gladly given you some sort of refund or sent you something special for your trouble. Maybe if this ever happens to you again, you will give the next seller a chance before leaving crummy feedback. deborah goodall Why would she think my feedback was "crappy" and "crummy"? It was positive feedback. I didn’t rave about the product, but gee, the only one I’ve tried so far was rotten! Here is my answer to that message. I’m completely confused by your idiotic email. I left you positive feedback. Listed as praise. Here is a copy. Praise: Received my stuff very quick. Was very nicely packaged. What is crummy about that? I was completely satisfied with my purchase and only told you about the bad sample in case you had more just like it and would want to check one or two before sending them out. Obviously you had no way of knowing it was bad. Also what makes you think I’m new to eBay? I’ve been buying from there for at least a couple of years. As far as you "would have done almost  anything to be able to count you among my happy customers", I was a completely happy customer before I received this email. ****Suzy**** She didn’t answer, so I sent this to her today. After receiving this email, I’m very sorry I left you positive feedback. I sure wish I could change it. ****Suzy**** She responded with this. the feeling is mutual, I assure you! What do you think of this? What in my feedback or email to her would have set her off like this? She might not like the feedback I left, but I guarantee she would like it better than what I would leave if I could change it!

I am not sexist, but it sounds like a clear case of PMS to me…

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Hi All, Can you advice me on this small issue, I sold an item via ebay advertised as fully working that ended on the 20th June, I stated in the auction that I don`t have the original box so must be collected by the winning bidder, I was also going to show the winning bidder how it works etc. The winning bidder was a long distance from me so sent in a courier to pick it up, I tested the machine that day and it was working fine, so I wrapped it in bubble wrap (lots of bubble wrap) to make sure it arrived without damage. The courier came to pick it up with a 40ft flat bed trailer ! the product is the size of a large printer…anyway I have had an email today from the buyer stating that the device is faulty, whilst I am happy to help resolve the problem, what would the best way to handle any requested for some money? Cheers Plank

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi All, Can you advice me on this small issue, I sold an item via ebay advertised as fully working that ended on the 20th June, I stated in the auction that I don`t have the original box so must be collected by the winning bidder, I was also going to show the winning bidder how it works etc. The winning bidder was a long distance from me so sent in a courier to pick it up, I tested the machine that day and it was working fine, so I wrapped it in bubble wrap (lots of bubble wrap) to make sure it arrived without damage. The courier came to pick it up with a 40ft flat bed trailer ! the product is the size of a large printer…anyway I have had an email today from the buyer stating that the device is faulty, whilst I am happy to help resolve the problem, what would the best way to handle any requested for some money? Cheers Plank

Was the shipment insured? ~ Jill

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi All, Can you advice me on this small issue, I sold an item via ebay advertised as fully working that ended on the 20th June, I stated in the auction that I don`t have the original box so must be collected by the winning bidder, I was also going to show the winning bidder how it works etc. The winning bidder was a long distance from me so sent in a courier to pick it up, I tested the machine that day and it was working fine, so I wrapped it in bubble wrap (lots of bubble wrap) to make sure it arrived without damage. The courier came to pick it up with a 40ft flat bed trailer ! the product is the size of a large printer…anyway I have had an email today from the buyer stating that the device is faulty, whilst I am happy to help resolve the problem, what would the best way to handle any requested for some money? Cheers Plank Was the shipment insured? ~ Jill

Jill, Not sure, as I stated that it must be collected and I didn`t arrange the collection. The buyer has also told me that the machine is not damaged. Plank

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Not sure, as I stated that it must be collected and I didn`t arrange the collection. The buyer has also told me that the machine is not damaged.

How is it that you manage to read some posts that reply to your duplicate post, but never manage to read or reply to any of the posts that ask why you keep on posting duplicates? This is the 4th or 5th time you have posted a duplicate message about this shipment and there have been over 100 replies.  Go to groups.google.com and read all the replies and then don’t come back unless you have something new, OK? <http://groups.google.com/groups?as_epq=ebay%20advertised%20as%20fully… jc

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Had a buyer notify me that BIN item was defective.  They paid with Paypal.  Did what I have done before, refunded through Paypal and included return shipping charges.  Now they wont send the item back. Am I SOL, or can I undo the Paypal refund?

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Had a buyer notify me that BIN item was defective.  They paid with Paypal.  Did what I have done before, refunded through Paypal and included return shipping charges.  Now they wont send the item back. Am I SOL, or can I undo the Paypal refund?

You’re SOL.  I would’ve invited them to ship the item back at their expense and if the item was truly defective, I’d refund their money for the item, shipping and return shipping.  The way you did it, they got their money back for the item and the shipping … and they keep the item.  If it’s defective it’s not doing them any good. If it isn’t defective, they got it free of charge.

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: Had a buyer notify me that BIN item was defective.  They paid with : Paypal.  Did what I have done before, refunded through Paypal and : included return shipping charges.  Now they wont send the item back. : Am I SOL, or can I undo the Paypal refund? Unfortunately you got stuck with a bad buyer and are SOL.  You did everything correct except having the buyer return the item before refunding. I’m impressed that you even included return shipping charges.  If I were a future buyer of yours and saw that you had given a neg explaining your actions with no name calling, and received a retaliatory one in return, I would ignore it and bid anyway.

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Yep definitely….I would only refund their money once the so called defective item arrived back… — cheers, Brian C

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Had a buyer notify me that BIN item was defective.  They paid with Paypal.  Did what I have done before, refunded through Paypal and included return shipping charges.  Now they wont send the item back. Am I SOL, or can I undo the Paypal refund? You’re SOL.  I would’ve invited them to ship the item back at their expense and if the item was truly defective, I’d refund their money for the item, shipping and return shipping.  The way you did it, they got their money back for the item and the shipping … and they keep the item. If it’s defective it’s not doing them any good. If it isn’t defective, they got it free of charge.

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Yep definitely….I would only refund their money once the so called defective item arrived back…

If the item is defective, why could you possibly want it back? You refund and if they return it fin. If not, better. — Many thanks, Don Lancaster                          voice phone: (928)428-4073 Synergetics   3860 West First Street   Box 809 Thatcher, AZ 85552 Please visit my GURU’s LAIR web site at http://www.tinaja.com

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Yep definitely….I would only refund their money once the so called defective item arrived back… If the item is defective, why could you possibly want it back? You refund and if they return it fin. If not, better. — Many thanks, Don Lancaster

I would "guess" he want to make sure it is defective. The way it sounds, assuming he is giving the whole story, is like it never was defective, and he got ripped off. — Still voting Democrat? You’re stuck on stupid. :Rush Limbaugh

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yep definitely….I would only refund their money once the so called defective item arrived back… If the item is defective, why could you possibly want it back? You refund and if they return it fin. If not, better. — Many thanks, Don Lancaster I would "guess" he want to make sure it is defective. The way it sounds, assuming he is giving the whole story, is like it never was defective, and he got ripped off.

And the whole point in conclusively proving you were ripped off instead of just suspecting it is….? — Many thanks, Don Lancaster                          voice phone: (928)428-4073 Synergetics   3860 West First Street   Box 809 Thatcher, AZ 85552 Please visit my GURU’s LAIR web site at http://www.tinaja.com

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Yep definitely….I would only refund their money once the so called defective item arrived back…

Who are you talking to?  What did they say? This is a usenet discussion group, not a message board on a website.   Please follow the generally-accepted usenet convention of quoting a bit of whatever message you’re replying to.   Newsgroup propagation being what it is, some folks will see your response before they see the post on which you’re commenting. (Others, in fact, may *never* see the original post or didn’t bother reading it.) Another problem is that given the way threads drift, a subject line may have little or nothing to do with what the current discussion involves. When you fail to cite a bit of the original message, your own comments just hang out in the air, connected to nothing and making little or no sense. For a comprehensive, net-wide FAQ, check this site: http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html — Ty Who is mostly just a slightly skewed Donna Reed "I’d like to say to the good citizens of Dover: If there is a disaster in your area, don’t turn to God; you just rejected him from your city. And don’t wonder why he hasn’t helped you when problems begin, if they begin. I’m not saying they will, but if they do, just remember, you just voted God out of your city. And if that’s the case, don’t ask for his help because he might not be there." ~~ Pat Robertson  "The 700 Club"

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Yep definitely….I would only refund their money once the so called defective item arrived back… If the item is defective, why could you possibly want it back? You refund and if they return it fin. If not, better.

I would want it back because s**t runs downhill.  I send it back to my vendor for a replacement.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yep definitely….I would only refund their money once the so called defective item arrived back… If the item is defective, why could you possibly want it back? You refund and if they return it fin. If not, better. I would want it back because s**t runs downhill.  I send it back to my vendor for a replacement.

Plus, it might not be defective and the buyer is scamming.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yep definitely….I would only refund their money once the so called defective item arrived back… If the item is defective, why could you possibly want it back? You refund and if they return it fin. If not, better. I would want it back because s**t runs downhill.  I send it back to my vendor for a replacement.

If your vendor offers replacements, you are clearly paying WAAAAAAY too much for your eBay inventory. Thus, nothing else matters. http://www.tinaja.com/glib/ebaysell.pdf — Many thanks, Don Lancaster                          voice phone: (928)428-4073 Synergetics   3860 West First Street   Box 809 Thatcher, AZ 85552 Please visit my GURU’s LAIR web site at http://www.tinaja.com

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yep definitely….I would only refund their money once the so called defective item arrived back… If the item is defective, why could you possibly want it back? You refund and if they return it fin. If not, better. I would want it back because s**t runs downhill.  I send it back to my vendor for a replacement. Plus, it might not be defective and the buyer is scamming.

The pissing around is not remotely worth the possible benefit. — Many thanks, Don Lancaster                          voice phone: (928)428-4073 Synergetics   3860 West First Street   Box 809 Thatcher, AZ 85552 Please visit my GURU’s LAIR web site at http://www.tinaja.com

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yep definitely….I would only refund their money once the so called defective item arrived back… If the item is defective, why could you possibly want it back? You refund and if they return it fin. If not, better. I would want it back because s**t runs downhill.  I send it back to my vendor for a replacement. Plus, it might not be defective and the buyer is scamming.

ooh, i never thought of that!  wow, you’re so smart!

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yep definitely….I would only refund their money once the so called defective item arrived back… If the item is defective, why could you possibly want it back? You refund and if they return it fin. If not, better. I would want it back because s**t runs downhill.  I send it back to my vendor for a replacement. If your vendor offers replacements, you are clearly paying WAAAAAAY too much for your eBay inventory. Thus, nothing else matters. http://www.tinaja.com/glib/ebaysell.pdf

Right, and the buyer payed WAAAAAAY to much for it.  Thats why I offer a refund.  s**t runs uphill too.

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I would want it back because s**t runs downhill.  I send it back to my vendor for a replacement.

Widget costs $50 wholesale, sells for $100 retail. Typical whoesale arrangement. You pay $10 to have it shipped to you from the wholesaler. You sell it, buyer pays $10 to have it shipped to him. Buyer returns it as defective, you pay the orig $10 plus his return $10. Then you pay $10 to ship it back to the vendor. Insert your figures where appropriate. Craig

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I would want it back because s**t runs downhill.  I send it back to my vendor for a replacement. Widget costs $50 wholesale, sells for $100 retail.  $132/$172 Typical whoesale arrangement. You pay $10 to have it shipped to you from the $0 wholesaler. You sell it, buyer pays $10 to have it shipped to him.  $12 Buyer returns it as defective, you pay the orig $10 $12.00 plus his return $10. $12 Then you pay $10 to ship it back to the vendor. 0 Insert your figures where appropriate. Craig

So I’m out $108 – not going to kill me, but it definitely changed my refund policy.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I would want it back because s**t runs downhill.  I send it back to my vendor for a replacement. Widget costs $50 wholesale, sells for $100 retail.  $132/$172 Typical whoesale arrangement. You pay $10 to have it shipped to you from the $0 wholesaler. You sell it, buyer pays $10 to have it shipped to him.  $12 Buyer returns it as defective, you pay the orig $10 $12.00 plus his return $10. $12 Then you pay $10 to ship it back to the vendor. 0 Insert your figures where appropriate. Craig So I’m out $108 – not going to kill me, but it definitely changed my refund policy.

It should instead tell you to be MORE aggressive on refunds and quit selling low margin crap that displeases your customers in the first place. — Many thanks, Don Lancaster                          voice phone: (928)428-4073 Synergetics   3860 West First Street   Box 809 Thatcher, AZ 85552 Please visit my GURU’s LAIR web site at http://www.tinaja.com

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Don’t see why you can’t file a complaint with PayPal. State your case and let them decide. MM

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I would want it back because s**t runs downhill.  I send it back to my vendor for a replacement. Widget costs $50 wholesale, sells for $100 retail.  $132/$172 Typical whoesale arrangement. You pay $10 to have it shipped to you from the $0 wholesaler. You sell it, buyer pays $10 to have it shipped to him.  $12 Buyer returns it as defective, you pay the orig $10 $12.00 plus his return $10. $12 Then you pay $10 to ship it back to the vendor. 0 Insert your figures where appropriate. Craig So I’m out $108 – not going to kill me, but it definitely changed my refund policy.

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Had a buyer notify me that BIN item was defective.  They paid with Paypal.  Did what I have done before, refunded through Paypal and included return shipping charges.  Now they wont send the item back. Am I SOL, or can I undo the Paypal refund?

You’re SOL. I would never refund before I got the item back, but I would refund shipping, both ways. Angela

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If the item is defective, why could you possibly want it back? Plus, it might not be defective and the buyer is scamming. A return wouldn’t help – the scammer would smash it first. You lose every time – why prolong the agony? If you refund without return, you needn’t pay for shipping – then block the buyer and move on. Never waste time on failure.

I had a buyer send an item back requesting a refund because it arrived broken. The buyer did not pay for insurance and the only way I could create damage to the item was to throw it onto a concrete floor without the box, the peanuts and the bubble wrap. Needless to say, I did not send a refund.

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If the item is defective, why could you possibly want it back? Plus, it might not be defective and the buyer is scamming.

A return wouldn’t help – the scammer would smash it first. You lose every time – why prolong the agony? If you refund without return, you needn’t pay for shipping – then block the buyer and move on. Never waste time on failure. — Andrew http://www.weirdity.com/ebay/

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"Bill" wrote… If your vendor offers replacements, you are clearly paying WAAAAAAY too much for your eBay inventory. Right, and the buyer payed WAAAAAAY to much for it. Thats why I offer a refund.  s**t runs uphill too.

Right; you are so attached to a stupid, overpaying idiot who complains, that you WANT to convert him into a regular customer? — Andrew http://www.weirdity.com/ebay/

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