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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – liberal. I fully admit I’ve been anti Bush (Jr) from the start. I always considered myself a moderate Republican, but I now question whether I’ve swung to the left or if baby Bush is so far right that the center has moved way to the right. I’m convinced that "GW’s Beneficial Accomplishments" will be a contender for the The World’s Shortest Book – along with THINGS I CANNOT AFFORD by Bill Gates THINGS I WOULD NOT DO FOR MONEY by Dennis Rodman AMERICA’S MOST POPULAR LAWYERS FINDING THE REAL KILLERS by O. J. Simpson
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – the real issue was GW Bush wanted to get back at Hussein for trying to kill GHW Bush when he was in office. What nonsense. If you really believe that, I suppose you’ll believe anything. Neil So true – everyone knows it was all about oil. <GUFFAW! Yes, "everyone knows" that. It’s the other mantra and has been repeated just as often. Hint – there are many other countries with leaders as bad a Saddam, but no one is considering invasions to "free" those people. I agree with you there. There are far worse threats than Saddam ever was, e.g. North Korea. I suppose Iraq was considered "do-able" while N.K. was not. And the idea of giving democracy a start in that part of the Middle East would be good if it were possible to carry out. Bottom line – it’s all the Bush spin that many are finally coming around to see through. Unfortunately, Bush & company significantly underestimated the repercussions (as typically of most of his shoot-from-the-hip "leadership". Well, you’re anti-Bush and that strongly colors your perception of these things. I think the war was probably a mistake, but then I think *most* of the wars the U.S. has gotten into over the last 150 years were mistakes, some of them much bigger mistakes than this. Any war is a mistake that lacks sufficient support on the home front, that’s practically automatic. Neil liberal. I fully admit I’ve been anti Bush (Jr) from the start. I always considered myself a moderate Republican, but I now question whether I’ve swung to the left or if baby Bush is so far right that the center has moved way to the right.
Bush II certainly has taken some positions that I don’t regard as confidence-inspiring. He said something to the effect that God told him to invade Iraq (I may not have that exactly right but it’s close), which I found dismaying to say the least. And his reluctance or refusal to seriously attempt to protect our own borders from illegals is puzzling as well as dismaying, as is his promoting some sort of amnesty scheme which he says is "not amnesty." That said, I’m still glad he got him instead of Gore or Kerry. I think it was Bush’s immense good fortune that the Democrats simply could not or would not field a non-repulsive candidate. Most of all, I am glad Bush is the one nominating Supreme Court justices–apart from the Miers debacle, about which the less said the better. The last thing we need is more leftist-liberal activists on SCotUS. And a Democrat wouldn’t have given us the tax cuts either. I’m convinced that "GW’s Beneficial Accomplishments" will be a contender for the The World’s Shortest Book – along with THINGS I CANNOT AFFORD by Bill Gates THINGS I WOULD NOT DO FOR MONEY by Dennis Rodman AMERICA’S MOST POPULAR LAWYERS FINDING THE REAL KILLERS by O. J. Simpson
<chuckle You may be right there. But there are at least the tax cuts, which I believe have actually boosted revenues and, of course, reversed the slide in the economy. Someone said, "The art of taxation is the art of plucking the goose without killing it." It’s that last part that recent Democrats seem to have trouble getting. Neil
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I agree with you there. There are far worse threats than Saddam ever was, e.g. North Korea. I suppose Iraq was considered "do-able" while N.K. was not. And the idea of giving democracy a start in that part of the Middle East would be good if it were possible to carry out.
Invading Bentonville, Arkansas would have made more sense according to a lot of posts here recently.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – <re; Iraq Bottom line – it’s all the Bush spin that many are finally coming around to see through. Unfortunately, Bush & company significantly underestimated the repercussions (as typically of most of his shoot-from-the-hip "leadership". It’s a shame that GW Bush’s people didn’t look at the previous Bush’s plans and intelligence, because GHW Bush’s advisors advised that he (GHW Bush) order a stop at a certain point on the map or insurgencies/civil war/guerrilla warfare would break out. He did stop and it didn’t blow up in his face. GW Bush crossed that line, and every prediction that was made by his daddy’s advisors has come true. So, in retrospect, it’s no wonder that FEMA ignored a complete and comprehensive study about the probable loss of American life… they were just following their President’s lead. Bill
I had an interesting conversation today, with the wife of a Marine who is stationed in Iraq. She told me that her husband and the men of his unit are doing their job and are dedicated to doing it well and coming home safe….but to a man, they do NOT support the war itself. They’re doing a job that they cannot believe they’ve been sent to do. Meanwhile, she was shipping heavy boxes of goodies to the unit, and holding a small child that needed to go to the doctor (but she couldn’t take him, until she got some sort of military referral to a physician). So I kinda adopted them 
Kris
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I had an interesting conversation today, with the wife of a Marine who is stationed in Iraq. She told me that her husband and the men of his unit are doing their job and are dedicated to doing it well and coming home safe….but to a man, they do NOT support the war itself. They’re doing a job that they cannot believe they’ve been sent to do.
Replace "Iraq" with "Vietnam" above… it’s like deja vu all over again. <snipped part about shipping care packages and kid needing medical care and waiting for referral So I kinda adopted them
Good on ya, Kris! Loren
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – the real issue was GW Bush wanted to get back at Hussein for trying to kill GHW Bush when he was in office. What nonsense. If you really believe that, I suppose you’ll believe anything. Neil
So true – everyone knows it was all about oil. Hint – there are many other countries with leaders as bad a Saddam, but no one is considering invasions to "free" those people. Bottom line – it’s all the Bush spin that many are finally coming around to see through. Unfortunately, Bush & company significantly underestimated the repercussions (as typically of most of his shoot-from-the-hip "leadership".
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – the real issue was GW Bush wanted to get back at Hussein for trying to kill GHW Bush when he was in office. What nonsense. If you really believe that, I suppose you’ll believe anything. Neil So true – everyone knows it was all about oil.
<GUFFAW! Yes, "everyone knows" that. It’s the other mantra and has been repeated just as often. Hint – there are many other countries with leaders as bad a Saddam, but no one is considering invasions to "free" those people.
I agree with you there. There are far worse threats than Saddam ever was, e.g. North Korea. I suppose Iraq was considered "do-able" while N.K. was not. And the idea of giving democracy a start in that part of the Middle East would be good if it were possible to carry out. Bottom line – it’s all the Bush spin that many are finally coming around to see through. Unfortunately, Bush & company significantly underestimated the repercussions (as typically of most of his shoot-from-the-hip "leadership".
Well, you’re anti-Bush and that strongly colors your perception of these things. I think the war was probably a mistake, but then I think *most* of the wars the U.S. has gotten into over the last 150 years were mistakes, some of them much bigger mistakes than this. Any war is a mistake that lacks sufficient support on the home front, that’s practically automatic. Neil
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – the real issue was GW Bush wanted to get back at Hussein for trying to kill GHW Bush when he was in office. What nonsense. If you really believe that, I suppose you’ll believe anything. Neil So true – everyone knows it was all about oil. <GUFFAW! Yes, "everyone knows" that. It’s the other mantra and has been repeated just as often. Hint – there are many other countries with leaders as bad a Saddam, but no one is considering invasions to "free" those people. I agree with you there. There are far worse threats than Saddam ever was, e.g. North Korea. I suppose Iraq was considered "do-able" while N.K. was not. And the idea of giving democracy a start in that part of the Middle East would be good if it were possible to carry out. Bottom line – it’s all the Bush spin that many are finally coming around to see through. Unfortunately, Bush & company significantly underestimated the repercussions (as typically of most of his shoot-from-the-hip "leadership". Well, you’re anti-Bush and that strongly colors your perception of these things. I think the war was probably a mistake, but then I think *most* of the wars the U.S. has gotten into over the last 150 years were mistakes, some of them much bigger mistakes than this. Any war is a mistake that lacks sufficient support on the home front, that’s practically automatic. Neil
liberal. I fully admit I’ve been anti Bush (Jr) from the start. I always considered myself a moderate Republican, but I now question whether I’ve swung to the left or if baby Bush is so far right that the center has moved way to the right. I’m convinced that "GW’s Beneficial Accomplishments" will be a contender for the The World’s Shortest Book – along with THINGS I CANNOT AFFORD by Bill Gates THINGS I WOULD NOT DO FOR MONEY by Dennis Rodman AMERICA’S MOST POPULAR LAWYERS FINDING THE REAL KILLERS by O. J. Simpson
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Employee/Employer loyalty is non-existent. More profit even when existing profit is high is all that matters. Our quest for power, wealth and the acquisition of goods has led to millions of deaths in countless wars. Robberies, theft, drug sales, murder, corporate corruption at the expense of leaving employees broke, insurance fraud, the Mafia, identity theft, scams including the thousands on eBay. All because of greed. Good bills are not passed in the govt. because lobbyists promise politicians support and campaign contributions. Rain forests and Alaskan wilderness is being destroyed for lumber and oil so those companies can make more profit. Bans have been lifted on pollution regulations so the companies can produce more at less expense and make more profit and pay more taxes to the govt. When oil prices go up the prices at the pump go up within one day. When oil prices go down. The prices at the pump go down within one to two weeks. eBay and online sales have increased FedEx’s and UPS’s business 1000 fold resulting in millions of dollars in increased profits. As a result, they recently raised their rates. Companies claim "Only $19.99 a month." By the time the consumer pays the taxes, hidden costs and the hundreds of fees. The actual bill is $30. This marketing practice is fraud and should be banned. Only when the acquisition of wealth ceases to be the primary driving force of human existence will we mature and grow beyond that which has been our nature for thousands of years. When you look at history just over the past 50 years, we humans have caused so much destruction on so many levels in the name of greed, it’s despicable.
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<snip unsolicited self-flagellation on behalf of all humanity When you look at history just over the past 50 years, we humans have caused so much destruction on so many levels in the name of greed, it’s despicable.
You’re right. Go kill yourself and save the planet.
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<snip unsolicited self-flagellation on behalf of all humanity When you look at history just over the past 50 years, we humans have caused so much destruction on so many levels in the name of greed, it’s despicable. You’re right. Go kill yourself and save the planet.
aw, come now, was that really necessary? the guy’s just saying what everyone else is thinking. well, some other people are saying it, too, but mostly in editorials. the Powers That Be ™ will never take a stand on anything or try to change things so long as they’re making money off the destruction of the planet. what’s it gonna take for people to open their fucking eyes? david — http://tinyurl.com/cq76v (ebay sales) http://www.cafepress.com/derbarbier http://shops.half.ebay.com/derbarbier
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the guy’s just saying what everyone else is thinking. well, some other people are saying it, too, but mostly in editorials.
Until the root problem is solved everything else is just crap. If countries (people) would reduce the population then all the problems the OP mentioned would become trivial and unimportant. I don’t think the OP should kill himself, but if he went home and never left iti again, that’d be a good start.
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choked out these words: the guy’s just saying what everyone else is thinking. well, some other people are saying it, too, but mostly in editorials. Until the root problem is solved everything else is just crap. If countries (people) would reduce the population then all the problems the OP mentioned would become trivial and unimportant. I don’t think the OP should kill himself, but if he went home and never left iti again, that’d be a good start.
<smirk
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<snip unsolicited self-flagellation on behalf of all humanity When you look at history just over the past 50 years, we humans have caused so much destruction on so many levels in the name of greed, it’s despicable. You’re right. Go kill yourself and save the planet. aw, come now, was that really necessary?
Yes. I don’t like members of my species who bash my species. If they think humans suck so badly, they owe it to Mother Earth to commit suicide. Besides, you ain’t seen greed until you’ve watch lions eat.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Employee/Employer loyalty is non-existent. More profit even when existing profit is high is all that matters. Our quest for power, wealth and the acquisition of goods has led to millions of deaths in countless wars. Robberies, theft, drug sales, murder, corporate corruption at the expense of leaving employees broke, insurance fraud, the Mafia, identity theft, scams including the thousands on eBay. All because of greed. Good bills are not passed in the govt. because lobbyists promise politicians support and campaign contributions. Rain forests and Alaskan wilderness is being destroyed for lumber and oil so those companies can make more profit. Bans have been lifted on pollution regulations so the companies can produce more at less expense and make more profit and pay more taxes to the govt. When oil prices go up the prices at the pump go up within one day. When oil prices go down. The prices at the pump go down within one to two weeks. eBay and online sales have increased FedEx’s and UPS’s business 1000 fold resulting in millions of dollars in increased profits. As a result, they recently raised their rates. Companies claim "Only $19.99 a month." By the time the consumer pays the taxes, hidden costs and the hundreds of fees. The actual bill is $30. This marketing practice is fraud and should be banned. Only when the acquisition of wealth ceases to be the primary driving force of human existence will we mature and grow beyond that which has been our nature for thousands of years. When you look at history just over the past 50 years, we humans have caused so much destruction on so many levels in the name of greed, it’s despicable.
Sounds like your loyalty to eBay was misplaced. Welcome to the world of global corporations. http://auctions.shopping.yahoo.com/
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – <snip unsolicited self-flagellation on behalf of all humanity When you look at history just over the past 50 years, we humans have caused so much destruction on so many levels in the name of greed, it’s despicable. You’re right. Go kill yourself and save the planet. aw, come now, was that really necessary? Yes. I don’t like members of my species who bash my species.
that’s rich. especially coming from the likes of you. thanks for the biggest laugh i’ve had all day! david — http://tinyurl.com/cq76v (ebay sales) http://www.cafepress.com/derbarbier http://shops.half.ebay.com/derbarbier
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Yes. I don’t like members of my species who bash my species. that’s rich. especially coming from the likes of you. thanks for the biggest laugh i’ve had all day!
Ah the season is upon us. Peace on earth, all that nonsense. Let’s all relax, have an eggnog and kick each other’s asses! And I hope I put the apostrophe in the right place. Craig
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Yes. I don’t like members of my species who bash my species. that’s rich. especially coming from the likes of you. thanks for the biggest laugh i’ve had all day! Ah the season is upon us. Peace on earth, all that nonsense. Let’s all relax, have an eggnog and kick each other’s asses!
LOL! And I hope I put the apostrophe in the right place.
i’m sure someone will let you know if you haven’t! david — http://tinyurl.com/cq76v (ebay sales) http://www.cafepress.com/derbarbier http://shops.half.ebay.com/derbarbier
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Employee/Employer loyalty is non-existent. More profit even when existing profit is high is all that matters. Our quest for power, wealth and the acquisition of goods has led to millions of deaths in countless wars. Robberies, theft, drug sales, murder, corporate corruption at the expense of leaving employees broke, insurance fraud, the Mafia, identity theft, scams including the thousands on eBay. All because of greed. Good bills are not passed in the govt. because lobbyists promise politicians support and campaign contributions. Rain forests and Alaskan wilderness is being destroyed for lumber and oil so those companies can make more profit. Bans have been lifted on pollution regulations so the companies can produce more at less expense and make more profit and pay more taxes to the govt. When oil prices go up the prices at the pump go up within one day. When oil prices go down. The prices at the pump go down within one to two weeks. eBay and online sales have increased FedEx’s and UPS’s business 1000 fold resulting in millions of dollars in increased profits. As a result, they recently raised their rates. Companies claim "Only $19.99 a month." By the time the consumer pays the taxes, hidden costs and the hundreds of fees. The actual bill is $30. This marketing practice is fraud and should be banned. Only when the acquisition of wealth ceases to be the primary driving force of human existence will we mature and grow beyond that which has been our nature for thousands of years. When you look at history just over the past 50 years, we humans have caused so much destruction on so many levels in the name of greed, it’s despicable.
Ok, whats new. The world is going to hell in a hand backet. Heard that all my life. I sure glad everyone isn’t so pessimistic. I’m sure you are just as "greedy" as everyone else. Please go somewher else and darken somebody else’s day. Lets see, we could be having a world war, or depression. If you think today is crap you haven’t read history. Have a nice day! As the song says "suicide is painless"
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – <snip unsolicited self-flagellation on behalf of all humanity When you look at history just over the past 50 years, we humans have caused so much destruction on so many levels in the name of greed, it’s despicable. You’re right. Go kill yourself and save the planet. aw, come now, was that really necessary? Yes. I don’t like members of my species who bash my species. If they think humans suck so badly, they owe it to Mother Earth to commit suicide.
Not to worry. We already are, just not as quick as some methods. Besides, you ain’t seen greed until you’ve watch lions eat.
I’ll be in Hoduras next week on a shark dive. About 10 to 20, 8 to 10ft gray reef sharks will show up. At first the divemaster feeds them manually. He has chain link gloves. Then at the end, the divemaster throws the remaining chum on the sea floor while we’re sitting right there 70 ft. down. I’m told the frenzy is freakin amazing. I’ve got my camera ready!
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Employee/Employer loyalty is non-existent. More profit even when existing profit is high is all that matters. Our quest for power, wealth and the acquisition of goods has led to millions of deaths in countless wars. Robberies, theft, drug sales, murder, corporate corruption at the expense of leaving employees broke, insurance fraud, the Mafia, identity theft, scams including the thousands on eBay. All because of greed. Good bills are not passed in the govt. because lobbyists promise politicians support and campaign contributions. Rain forests and Alaskan wilderness is being destroyed for lumber and oil so those companies can make more profit. Bans have been lifted on pollution regulations so the companies can produce more at less expense and make more profit and pay more taxes to the govt. When oil prices go up the prices at the pump go up within one day. When oil prices go down. The prices at the pump go down within one to two weeks. eBay and online sales have increased FedEx’s and UPS’s business 1000 fold resulting in millions of dollars in increased profits. As a result, they recently raised their rates. Companies claim "Only $19.99 a month." By the time the consumer pays the taxes, hidden costs and the hundreds of fees. The actual bill is $30. This marketing practice is fraud and should be banned. Only when the acquisition of wealth ceases to be the primary driving force of human existence will we mature and grow beyond that which has been our nature for thousands of years. When you look at history just over the past 50 years, we humans have caused so much destruction on so many levels in the name of greed, it’s despicable. Sounds like your loyalty to eBay was misplaced. Welcome to the world of global corporations.
I’m loyal to no commercial enterprise. Used to be when I was a kid. You know, ideals and shit. That quickly died when I experienced my first layoff.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Employee/Employer loyalty is non-existent. More profit even when existing profit is high is all that matters. Our quest for power, wealth and the acquisition of goods has led to millions of deaths in countless wars. Robberies, theft, drug sales, murder, corporate corruption at the expense of leaving employees broke, insurance fraud, the Mafia, identity theft, scams including the thousands on eBay. All because of greed. Good bills are not passed in the govt. because lobbyists promise politicians support and campaign contributions. Rain forests and Alaskan wilderness is being destroyed for lumber and oil so those companies can make more profit. Bans have been lifted on pollution regulations so the companies can produce more at less expense and make more profit and pay more taxes to the govt. When oil prices go up the prices at the pump go up within one day. When oil prices go down. The prices at the pump go down within one to two weeks. eBay and online sales have increased FedEx’s and UPS’s business 1000 fold resulting in millions of dollars in increased profits. As a result, they recently raised their rates. Companies claim "Only $19.99 a month." By the time the consumer pays the taxes, hidden costs and the hundreds of fees. The actual bill is $30. This marketing practice is fraud and should be banned. Only when the acquisition of wealth ceases to be the primary driving force of human existence will we mature and grow beyond that which has been our nature for thousands of years. When you look at history just over the past 50 years, we humans have caused so much destruction on so many levels in the name of greed, it’s despicable. Ok, whats new. The world is going to hell in a hand backet. Heard that all my life. I sure glad everyone isn’t so pessimistic. I’m sure you are just as "greedy" as everyone else. Please go somewher else and darken somebody else’s day. Lets see, we could be having a world war, or depression. If you think today is crap you haven’t read history. Have a nice day! As the song says "suicide is painless"
The world is fallen for sure. But definitely not going to hell. For every bad thing I cited, there are probably 100 good things that we never hear about. How one ‘feels’ about facts, pessimistic or optimistic doesn’t change those facts nor their continuation. I am greedy. I don’t recall saying I wasn’t. But probably like you, I have a line I won’t cross. My subject line inferred a negative topic. Do avoid your dark day, you didn’t have to click on it. You said "We could have a world war or depression." For every country that is in war or genocide, ‘their’ world is at war. If you think there are no depressions, you haven’t read the recent poverty statistics. To head off the inevitable "Then why don’t you do something about it, jerk" response I’m sure to receive next. I have protested Bush’s immoral war based on his lies and the 17,000 deaths it’s caused to over 2000 US soldiers, X number of soldiers from other countries and the 14,000 Non-US innocent civilians. I was in a branch of law for several years. I am a member of the Sierra Club and PETA and participate in activities with them. Finally, your suicide reference is interesting. To date, over 45 US soldiers in Iraq have committed suicide. One just recently who had been back from Iraq for a year. I doubt what they were feeling was painless. And by the military’s own admission, they didn’t allocate enough funds for mental health for the soldiers. Once again, they put money over their own people.
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[ . . . ] To head off the inevitable "Then why don’t you do something about it, jerk" response I’m sure to receive next. I have protested Bush’s immoral war based on his lies
Really, don’t you get a little tired of reciting that puerile bullshit about Bush’s "lies"? It seems to be a sort of mantra with people on your side of the political street, but at some level you must be aware that what you’re saying is itself a lie. The intelligence about WMDs may (or may not) have been faulty. In any case it was accepted at face value not only by the Bush administration but also by the entire Congress, who voted to authorize the war–the Democrats’ current flip-flops and vacillations notwithstanding. It was also accepted by (and to some degree originated with) the British, and various European intelligence services. It was reinforced by Saddam’s own actions in refusing to let the inspectors do their jobs, and so on. You almost certainly KNOW all this. Why then pretend "Bush lied"? Don’t you understand that’s like proudly waving a placard describing yourself as a liar? Whom do you expect to persuade? and the 17,000 deaths it’s caused to over 2000 US soldiers, X number of soldiers from other countries and the 14,000 Non-US innocent civilians.
By about this point in World War II we had lost 300,000 troops dead, and thousands more wounded. Millions more died in that war. It’s what happens in war. The difference is that then, the news media did not focus so one-sidedly on the bad news. I was in a branch of law for several years.
"in a branch of law" . . . ?? I am a member of the Sierra Club and PETA and participate in activities with them.
Ah, that explains a lot. Finally, your suicide reference is interesting. To date, over 45 US soldiers in Iraq have committed suicide.
That’s a suicide rate much lower than Belgium’s (40.1 per 100,000 per year) for example, and Belgium is not at war or contributing in any way to this one. A lot of people commit suicide. In Japan the rate is 50.6 per 100,000 per year; they’re a prosperous and orderly country and not at war either. And still other western countries would love to have a suicide rate as low as that of our troops in Iraq. The chief problem here is that our left-leaning news media constantly focuses on every bad thing that happens in the war, and ignores or glosses over our accomplishments. Ever think how World War II would have turned out if we’d had the same sort of news media then, undermining our morale and war effort in every possible way? Neil
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – [ . . . ] To head off the inevitable "Then why don’t you do something about it, jerk" response I’m sure to receive next. I have protested Bush’s immoral war based on his lies Really, don’t you get a little tired of reciting that puerile bullshit about Bush’s "lies"? It seems to be a sort of mantra with people on your side of the political street, but at some level you must be aware that what you’re saying is itself a lie. it’s not as far from the truth than the one about Iraq having WMDs. The intelligence about WMDs may (or may not) have been faulty. no WMDs were found. i’d say the intelligence was faulty. In any case it was accepted at face value not only by the Bush administration but also by the entire Congress, who voted to authorize the war yeah, because of the faulty intelligence. i was never for the war in the first place, faulty intelligence or no.
Neither was I, as a matter of fact. I thought then that it was very likely to be a mistake and now I believe that it was. But that’s a long way from repeating the rubbish that "Bush lied." the real issue was GW Bush wanted to get back at Hussein for trying to kill GHW Bush when he was in office.
What nonsense. If you really believe that, I suppose you’ll believe anything. Neil
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[ . . . ] To head off the inevitable "Then why don’t you do something about it, jerk" response I’m sure to receive next. I have protested Bush’s immoral war based on his lies Really, don’t you get a little tired of reciting that puerile bullshit about Bush’s "lies"? It seems to be a sort of mantra with people on your side of the political street, but at some level you must be aware that what you’re saying is itself a lie.
it’s not as far from the truth than the one about Iraq having WMDs. The intelligence about WMDs may (or may not) have been faulty.
no WMDs were found. i’d say the intelligence was faulty. In any case it was accepted at face value not only by the Bush administration but also by the entire Congress, who voted to authorize the war
yeah, because of the faulty intelligence. i was never for the war in the first place, faulty intelligence or no. the real issue was GW Bush wanted to get back at Hussein for trying to kill GHW Bush when he was in office. but he couldn’t have gone to Congress with that sort of excuse. "i have a vendetta against Saddam Hussein, give me money." yeah, that just wouldn’t'a worked. david — http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amoephoto/
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