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Kay Brand Revival

admin — Sat, 06 May 2006 00:00:00 +0000

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Hello, I’m Jean. I’ve been subscribing to this group for a while and really enjoying the shop talk. I wonder if I could get some feedback. If Kay was to come out with a vintage reissue, what would you like to see most? guitar? bass? Everyone knows the Barney Kessel Jbox but how about the thin twin or the Pro Bass?(My personal fav) Kay has stayed quiet but certainly has not gone away, the current website does not offer a whole lot information on it’s heritage but soon that will change. www.kayguitar.com Check that in a month or so. For now here are several sites that I have found more insightful than others, Soon you will be able to find it all in one place. www.provide.net/~cfh/other.html (May already be in your favorites) http://kaybass.com/ http://search.harmony-central.com/search?q=kay+guitar&btnG=Harmony+Ce… http://froogle.google.com/froogle?q=ebay+kay+guitar&hl=en&lr=&rls=SUN… Last but not least http://search.ebay.com/kay-guitar I would like to conduct a web gallery of Vintage Kay Instruments with tribute to their owners, they will either be posted on the official Kay Website or www.guitarface.net (Still under construction) Anyway, about the reissue. Please give your feedback.

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Yup. This is cool: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7412672810&rd=1&ss…

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Yup. This is cool: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7412672810&rd=1&ss…

Kay is dead. Doubt it? Call toll free 800-211-3319. It’s a U.S. marketing cover for cheap Chinese line sold to dealers at prices like "Assorted six pack" (Guitars) for $69.99.

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The Kay 550, 720 and 830 models all look interesting. I’d like to see someone produce one of the series heater models with a built-in isolation tranny.

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Watchers List Exchange

admin — Sun, 11 Dec 2005 00:00:00 +0000

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MysteryMoneyMania attempted to write: Well I have yet to actually begun to post or discuss in this forum for obvious reasons. I do know that you definately get back what you give. Since then I have probubly bought some things from many here. I probubly will again.

Let me begun by saying that I definately am glad to see you again. You probubly don’t remember me. You wanted to give me a blow job down at the bowling alley. Now that you’re probubly going to be around for a while, would you blow me now? Craig

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You didn’t say please or that you love him.

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Hey guys I wanted to throw something out to you. Would you like to start watching each others auctions? It is a proven fact that if you can get into the Ebay Pulse in your category you can get more sales. Let me know what you think. TC If you want to watch my item go here. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5645948306 Let me know that you are watching it and sent me a link to your auction as well and I will add it to my watch list. Thanks and Happy Ebaying. PS I have recently set up a new ebay user name that is listing this auction mysterymoneymania I have been on ebay under tch4u for years and have over 15 years online as a successful marketer. I would also like to hear your stories.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey guys I wanted to throw something out to you. Would you like to start watching each others auctions? It is a proven fact that if you can get into the Ebay Pulse in your category you can get more sales. Let me know what you think. TC If you want to watch my item go here. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5645948306 Let me know that you are watching it and sent me a link to your auction as well and I will add it to my watch list. Thanks and Happy Ebaying. PS I have recently set up a new ebay user name that is listing this auction mysterymoneymania I have been on ebay under tch4u for years and have over 15 years online as a successful marketer. I would also like to hear your stories.

Not so sucessful now are we? Future

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We seem to be overrun this week with proven facts. — Ty Who is mostly just a slightly skewed Donna Reed Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves. ~~ William Pitt, 18 Nov 1783

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We seem to be overrun this week with proven facts.

I’m going down to Marie Callender’s. Or is it Callenders? What if Ruth’s Chris and Marie Calender’s merged? Maybe we could hold the ANACSGD meetings there. I hope I’m nit picking. Frita has a gay hair stylist? Craig

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We seem to be overrun this week with proven facts. I’m going down to Marie Callender’s. Or is it Callenders? What if Ruth’s Chris and Marie Calender’s merged? Maybe we could hold the ANACSGD meetings there. I hope I’m nit picking. Frita has a gay hair stylist?

Frita *is* a gay hair stylist. You can tell because s/he rails about gays so virulently. — Ty Who is mostly just a slightly skewed Donna Reed Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves. ~~ William Pitt, 18 Nov 1783

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We seem to be overrun this week with proven facts.

Is it a proven fact or it is a proven fact. My head is starting to hurt. Seem like simple sentences but they get so complicated so fast. I am going to have some pie. Well, I will if it hasn’t turned vintage yet.

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He’s also selling "cow paddy gram" …. auction. Thought he was full of shit. 15 years online as a successful marketer. Sure wouldn’t question someone with such a long history and a feedback of 29! I guess he’s the the guy who invented the internet.

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Well Thanks for the positive reviews of my "spam" Well I have yet to actually begun to post or discuss in this forum for obvious reasons. The Flames are abundant. I retired in 1996 after working online developing a marketing business. Have had the wind cut out of my sales a few times since then. I am sure that we all have had our ups and our downs. I do know that you definately get back what you give. I hope all of you are planting a lot of good seed and not just tearing down anyone new that comes into your forum here. Yea I just started my mysterymoneymania eBay user name 7 days ago. I have been a ebay user since 1999. Since then I have probubly bought some things from many here. I probubly will again. I look for mutually beneficial business arrangements. I over deliver on expectations. I am glad you like my Cow Patty Gram, The Diamond Mine, and Texas Money Tree those auctions have generated $3-6K per month the last time they were used. They just drive customers to my store and I could include a list of all my favorite eBayers in it. I am looking for professionals who act professional and have a good time doing it. We all spend a lot of time in front of our systems delivering what every type of customer service we can. I look forward to meeting you all. Well from the Flames I have alredy gotten from my proposal I can see that there are some here that will attempt to discourage others instead of encourage them. Its the same way in the forums on eBay itself. I cant belive the crap people dish out there to people that are just trying to get started. I am sure there are enough people to go around. Anyway.. Let me know if I can do anything for you. If you need web space for pics let me know and I will set you up as a tiding of good will. Oh yea I have my own web hosting business as well. Later TC

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We seem to be overrun this week with proven facts. Is it a proven fact or it is a proven fact. My head is starting to hurt. Seem like simple sentences but they get so complicated so fast. I am going to have some pie. Well, I will if it hasn’t turned vintage yet.

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New Postal Rates: Media? Foreign?

admin — Sat, 10 Dec 2005 00:00:00 +0000

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Kris advised: I can’t do it for 39 cents

Damn. Here we go, negotiating again.

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Kris advised: I can’t do it for 39 cents Damn. Here we go, negotiating again.

I said 69 cents and I’m sticking to it. Kris

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I asked at my local PO about new media mail or global priority rates. The response was that they didn’t know either.

http://usps.com

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After reading the noice at the USPS site, it says the Postal Service has to put $3.1 billion in a escrow account, mandated by federal law. Otherwise they wouldn’t have to raise rates. Does anyone know the purpose of this escrow account?

It’s to maintain a defense fund in case of an attempted Wal Mart takeover of the USPS. Craig

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – After reading the noice at the USPS site, it says the Postal Service has to put $3.1 billion in a escrow account, mandated by federal law. Otherwise they wouldn’t have to raise rates. Does anyone know the purpose of this escrow account? If I remember the 2003 issue right, it concerns reserving enough money to cover the pension obligations for the Postal Service because they give pension credit for employees’ military service. In 2006 they have to start escrowing the money for it. All of this happening 2 days after I read a news article where the USPS announced a $1.8 BILLION profit for 2005. Fucking government morons. Bill

….and they have to insure they have operating capital, don’t they? Kris I can’t do it for 39 cents

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I asked at my local PO about new media mail or global priority rates. The response was that they didn’t know either. Anyone know? — Michael — Film reviews archive: http://us.imdb.com/ReviewsBy?Michael+Redman

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If I remember the 2003 issue right, it concerns reserving enough money to cover the pension obligations for the Postal Service because they give pension credit for employees’ military service. In 2006 they have to start escrowing the money for it.

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asked at my local PO about new media mail or global priority rates. The response was that they didn’t know either. Anyone know?

The USPS web site knows: http://www.usps.com/ratecase/welcome.htm

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asked at my local PO about new media mail or global priority rates. The response was that they didn’t know either. Anyone know? The USPS web site knows: http://www.usps.com/ratecase/welcome.htm

Yep they do. Thanks. — Michael — Film reviews archive: http://us.imdb.com/ReviewsBy?Michael+Redman

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – asked at my local PO about new media mail or global priority rates. The response was that they didn’t know either. Anyone know? The USPS web site knows: http://www.usps.com/ratecase/welcome.htm Yep they do. Thanks. — Michael

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iPod prices on Ebay HIGHER THAN RETAIL

admin — Thu, 08 Dec 2005 00:00:00 +0000

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Can someone please explain to me why the new/sealed iPods being sold on Ebay are selling for prices ABOVE RETAIL? This is nothing new. Many items on eBay are bid up to prices well above the retail price. Kind of surprising on the iPod though, since there is no shortage of them, and the prices are well advertised.

Saw an odd auction today. A bidder made one bid on a NIB CD audiobook for $7, but lost to another buyer at $7.50. Soon after the auction closed, they bought the identical item from the same seller with a $12 BIN. The odd part is that the identical NIB set of CDS was also available with $9, $10 and $10.50 BINs (similar 99.9%+ feedback / similar Media mailing and similar S/H). (Historical selling price has typically been $7-10). Best guess is that it’s close to Christmas and the seller just wanted to get the item mailed. (He made no other purchases from that seller, so it was also not a case of a combined order)

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As any European or Middle-Eastern merchant can tell you, Americans aren’t exactly sharp consumers and very often don’t even comparison shop.

Well but considering that some Europeans have trouble just affording their water bill, such that they take showers only 1 time per week, it isn’t a surprise that some of them have become shrewd consumers. When I lived in Europe I saw this first hand. However I have encountered fellow Americans who take defend their not being screwd by promoting ridiculous attitudes. For instance, some friends paid the full price for a new car, thereby getting ripped off; and they traded in their old car rather than selling it used, thus getting ripped off a second time. When I questioned them, they were embarrassed and said they thought this was normal and appropriate and that "a business needs to make a profit", and suggested that I believed otherwise. But the fact is, a car dealer makes a profit even when selling to a shrewd customer. And if a car dealership found its average selling price prevented making a profit, it would have to simply shift to a fixed price. But they don’t. Q

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Can someone please explain to me why the new/sealed iPods being sold on Ebay are selling for prices ABOVE RETAIL?

This is nothing new. Many items on eBay are bid up to prices well above the retail price. Kind of surprising on the iPod though, since there is no shortage of them, and the prices are well advertised. I have a relative who had a physical store, and also sold on eBay. There was an item that sold in his store for $3, that sold on eBay for between $12 and $20. But at least this was an item that people might legitimately not know how much it should cost. It was some sort of a little painted wooden storage box.

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People can also lose money without the expense of going to Las Vegas, but they go anyway because they like the "excitement" of losing it in a casino. Prices have little to do with shopping for many people.

The Social Animal – Elliot Aronson – 8th Edition 1999 http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0716733129/ Dissonance Reduction and Rational Behavior I have referred to dissonance-reducing behavior as "irrational." By this I mean it is often maladaptive in that it can prevent people from learning important facts or from finding real solutions to their problems. On the other hand, it does serve a purpose: Dissonance-reducing behavior is ego-defensive behavior; by reducing dissonance, we maintain a positive image of ourselves-an image that depicts us as good, or smart, or worthwhile. Again, although this ego-defensive behavior can be considered useful, it can have disastrous consequences. In the laboratory, the irrationality of dissonance-reducing behavior has been amply demonstrated by Edward Jones and Rika Kohler. These investigators selected individuals who were deeply committed to a position on the issue of racial segregation; some of the subjects were in favor of segregation, and others were opposed to it. These individuals were allowed to read a series of arguments on both sides of the issue. Some of these arguments were extremely sensible and plausible, and others were so implausible that they bordered on the ridiculous. Jones and Kohler were interested in determining which of the arguments people would remember best. If people were purely rational, we would expect them to remember the plausible arguments best and the implausible arguments least; why in the world would people want to keep implausible arguments in their heads? Accordingly, the rational person would rehearse and remember all the arguments that made sense and would slough off all the ridiculous arguments. What does the theory of cognitive dissonance predict? It is comforting to have all the wise people on your side and all the fools on the other side: A silly argument in favor of one’s own position arouses dissonance because it raises doubts about the wisdom of that position or the intelligence of the people who agree with it. Likewise, a plausible argument on the other side of the issue also arouses dissonance because it raises the possibility that the other side is right. Because these arguments arouse dissonance, one tries not to think about them-that is, one might not learn them very well, or one might simply forget about them. This is exactly what Jones and Kohler found. Their subjects did not remember in a rational-functional manner. They tended to remember the plausible arguments agreeing with their own position and the implausible arguments agreeing with the opposing position. In a conceptually similar experiment, Charles Lord, Lee Ross, and Mark Lepper showed that we do not process information in an unbiased manner. Rather, we distort it in a way that fits our preconceived notions. These investigators selected several Stanford University students who opposed capital punishment and several who favored it. They showed the students two research articles that discussed whether or not the death penalty tends to deter violent crimes. One study confirmed and the other study disconfirmed the existing beliefs of the students. If these students were perfectly rational, they might conclude that the issue is a complex one, and accordingly, the two groups of students might move closer to each other in their beliefs about capital punishment. On the other hand, dissonance theory predicts that they would distort the two articles, clasping the confirming article to their "bosoms and hailing it as clearly supportive of their belief while finding methodological or conceptual flaws in the disconfirming article and refusing to be influenced by it. This is precisely what happened. Indeed, rather than coming closer in their beliefs after being exposed to this two-sided presentation, the two groups of students disagreed more sharply than they did beforehand. This process probably accounts for the fact that, on issues like politics and religion, people who are deeply committed will almost never come to see things our way, no matter how powerful and balanced our arguments are. Those of us who have worked extensively with the theory of cognitive dissonance do not deny that humans are capable of rational behavior. The theory merely suggests that a good deal of our behavior is not rational-although, from inside, it may seem very sensible indeed. If you ask the hypnotized young man why he wore a raincoat on a sunny day, he’ll come up with an answer he feels is sensible; if you ask the vice president of Philip Morris why he smokes, he’ll give you a reason that makes sense to him-he’ll tell you how good it is for everyone’s health; if you ask Jones and Kohler’s subjects why they remembered one particular set of arguments rather than others, they’ll insist that the arguments they remembered were a fair and representative sample of those they read. Similarly, the students in the experiment on capital punishment will insist that the evidence against their position is flawed. It is important to note that the world is not divided into rational people on the one side and dissonance reducers on the other. People are not all the same, and some people are able to tolerate dissonance better than others, but we are all capable of rational behavior and we are all capable of dissonance-reducing behavior, depending on the circumstances. Occasionally, the same person can manifest both behaviors in rapid succession. The rationality and irrationality of human behavior will be illustrated over and over again during the next several pages as we list and discuss some of the wide ramifications of our need for self-justification. These ramifications run virtually the entire gamut of human behavior, but for the sake of conserving time and space, I will sample only a few of these. Let us begin with the decision-making process, a process that shows humans at their most rational and their most irrational in quick succession. Dissonance as a Consequence of Making a Decision Suppose you are about to make a decision-about the purchase of a new car, for example. This involves a significant amount of money, so it is, by definition, an important decision. After looking around, you are torn between getting a van and purchasing a compact model. There are various advantages and disadvantages to each: The van would be convenient; you can haul things in it, sleep in it during long trips, and it has plenty of power, but it gets atrocious mileage and is not easy to park. The compact model is less roomy, and you are concerned about its safety, but it is less expensive to buy and operate, it is more fun to drive, and you’ve heard it has a pretty good repair record. My guess is that, before you make the decision, you will seek as much information as you can. Chances are you will read Consumer Reports to find out what this expert, unbiased source has to say. Perhaps you’ll confer with friends who own a van or a compact car. You’ll probably visit the automobile dealers to test-drive the vehicles to see how each one feels. All of this predecision behavior is perfectly rational. Let us assume you make a decision- you buy the compact car. What happens next? Your behavior will begin to change: No longer will you seek objective information about all makes of cars. Chances are you may begin to spend more time talking with the owners of small cars. You will begin to talk about the number of miles to the gallon as though it were the most important thing in the world. My guess is that you will not be prone to spend much time thinking about the fact that you can’t sleep in your compact. Similarly, your mind will skim lightly over the fact that driving your new car can be particularly hazardous in a collision and that the brakes are not very responsive, although your failure to attend to these shortcomings could conceivably cost you your life. How does this sort of thing come about? Following a decision-especially a difficult one, or one that involves a significant amount of time, effort, or money-people almost always experience dissonance. This is so because the chosen alternative is seldom entirely positive and the rejected alternatives are seldom entirely negative. In this example, your cognition that you bought a compact is dissonant with your cognition about any deficiencies the car may have. Similarly, all the positive aspects of the other cars that you considered buying but did not purchase are dissonant with your cognition that you did not buy one of them. A good way to reduce such dissonance is to seek out exclusively positive information about the car you chose and avoid negative information about it. One source of safe information is advertisements; it is a safe bet that an ad will not run down its own product. Accordingly, one might predict that a person who had recently purchased a new car will begin to read advertisements selectively, reading more ads about his or her car after the purchase than people who have not recently purchased the same model. Moreover, owners of new cars will tend to steer clear of ads for other makes of cars. This is exactly what Danuta Ehrlich and her colleagues found in a well-known survey of advertising readership. In short, Ehrlich’s data suggest that, after making decisions, people try to gain reassurance that their decisions were wise by seeking information that is certain to be reassuring. People do not always need help from Madison Avenue to gain reassurance; they can do a pretty good job of reassuring themselves. An experiment by Jack Brehm demonstrates how this can come about. Posing as a marketing researcher, Brehm showed several women eight different appliances (a toaster, an electric coffee maker, a … read more »

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Hello reasonable people, Can someone please explain to me why the new/sealed iPods being sold on Ebay are selling for prices ABOVE RETAIL? The prices exclude shipping. Is it just me or is there not something wrong here? Are people bidding on their own products again, or perhaps are 12 year olds bidding just to create havoc? Even a person up in Alaska can order a new iPod via mail and not pay these prices, if their electronics stores don’t have them in stock. People have reminded me on occasion that there really stupid people out there who will buy anything, but I am a bit skeptical, having tried to sell items on Ebay myself … Q

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Hello reasonable people, Can someone please explain to me why the new/sealed iPods being sold on Ebay are selling for prices ABOVE RETAIL?

eBay’s marketing is working. People go there first, find what they want, get into bidding wars, win, and pay (most of them). They don’t shop for the lowest price. They just go where they know they can find "it" and get "it" over with.

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… People have reminded me on occasion that there really stupid people out there who will buy anything, but I am a bit skeptical…

You need to be "reminded" that people will buy anything? Wanna buy a subscription to Oprah magazine? How about a Yanni CD? How about a guaranteed spot in heaven? Now, I forgot. What was the desired outcome of your obvious troll post? Craig

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello reasonable people, Can someone please explain to me why the new/sealed iPods being sold on Ebay are selling for prices ABOVE RETAIL? The prices exclude shipping. Is it just me or is there not something wrong here? Are people bidding on their own products again, or perhaps are 12 year olds bidding just to create havoc? Even a person up in Alaska can order a new iPod via mail and not pay these prices, if their electronics stores don’t have them in stock. People have reminded me on occasion that there really stupid people out there who will buy anything, but I am a bit skeptical, having tried to sell items on Ebay myself … Q

Another reason maybe location. For example, ipods may be more expensive in California than what they are selling on ebay but cheaper for me (I live in the MW).

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – … People have reminded me on occasion that there really stupid people out there who will buy anything, but I am a bit skeptical… You need to be "reminded" that people will buy anything? Wanna buy a subscription to Oprah magazine? How about a Yanni CD? How about a guaranteed spot in heaven? Now, I forgot. What was the desired outcome of your obvious troll post? Craig

To get better results than heep9 did? Kris

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Hello reasonable people, Can someone please explain to me why the new/sealed iPods being sold on Ebay are selling for prices ABOVE RETAIL? eBay’s marketing is working. People go there first, find what they want, get into bidding wars, win, and pay (most of them). They don’t shop for the lowest price. They just go where they know they can find "it" and get "it" over with.

Exactly.

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: Hello reasonable people, : : Can someone please explain to me why the : new/sealed iPods being sold on Ebay are selling : for prices ABOVE RETAIL? : : eBay’s marketing is working. People go there first, find what they : want, get into bidding wars, win, and pay (most of them). They don’t : shop for the lowest price. They just go where they know they can find : "it" and get "it" over with. So true, but then at some point after they have paid for the item, they suddenly become smart and go elsewhere online to compare prices. When they find out they have paid more to the eBay seller, who do they blame? Certainly not themselves, it is most definitely eBay’s fault.

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but cheaper for me (I live in the MW).

You live in the Mongolian Wonfas and can log onto eBay?

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I think this is the most rational response. I’d expand on that with the following speculative ideas based on my own observations of how people psychologically ‘use’ shopping. 1. they use the act of buying to reaffirm their own (sometimes empty) existences, similar perhaps to how religion used to be used e.g. in praying or chanting. 2. they use the excitement of coming-to-own things as a way of filling their boring lives with emotion, similar to what music is supposed to be for people. 3. they like the idea of entering a comfortable place to buy things, perhaps as if it were a church, thus the big mall substitutes for the cathedrals of old, but ebay is somehow also a comfortable and welcoming place to go to, perhaps like a livingroom. 4. nevertheless if people could choose between a mall / cathedral and Ebay / livingroom, they’d choose the latter because they like a friendly environment to shop in, even if Ebay isn’t really so friendly and the prices are high. 5. people also like the competition of buying things, hence Black Friday isn’t just about low prices but also about competing, and the comradery that competitors share. In the case of Ebay, I don’t know if Ebayers chat online or whatnot, but certainly the competition must be thrilling for some. I once went to a county auction and I observed firsthand that people can get very excited when competing for both good stuff and worthless junk. Q

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YUP. By Christmas I expect to see a few Xbox 360s sell for up to $5K.

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YUP. By Christmas I expect to see a few Xbox 360s sell for up to $5K.

=== OK, ethical dilemma–I have one sitting right here at my feet (disguised amongst my eBay boxes). I came upon it at a good price (500.) from a good seller the day they came out. I’d already told my 12 yr old son he’d have to wait til his birthday in Feb or even later to get one, because I wasn’t about to pay those ridiculous prices from questionable sellers. He said OK–he’ll take a PSP instead (which I haven’t bought). Should I sell? I say not, as my son’s euphoria over receiving it is worth more than money and how could one even consider selling such an invaluable treasure with a perfectly suitable recipient right here in our own house? DH says, "Sell the sucker." ===

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something like: Should I sell? I say not, as my son’s euphoria over receiving it is worth more than money and how could one even consider selling such an invaluable treasure with a perfectly suitable recipient right here in our own house? DH says, "Sell the sucker."

I say keep it–isn’t making your kid happy one of the reasons for making money in the first place? -Bertha — "In the long run, men hit only what they aim at. Therefore, though they should fail immediately, they had better aim high." — Henry David Thoreau

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YUP. By Christmas I expect to see a few Xbox 360s sell for up to $5K. Should I sell? I say not, as my son’s euphoria over receiving it is worth more than money and how could one even consider selling such an invaluable treasure with a perfectly suitable recipient right here in our own house? DH says, "Sell the sucker." ===

I think it depends on your personal financial situation. I could make a case for it not being sane to maximize your profit, but in my case I wouldn’t sell it. Not that we couldn’t use the extra money, but it would indeed be extra money. Guessing you’re in the same boat, I say keep it. You can’t buy the *cool* factor he’s going to get when his friends all drool over it. A

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : : Hello reasonable people, : : Can someone please explain to me why the : new/sealed iPods being sold on Ebay are selling : for prices ABOVE RETAIL? : : eBay’s marketing is working. People go there first, find what they : want, get into bidding wars, win, and pay (most of them). They don’t : shop for the lowest price. They just go where they know they can find : "it" and get "it" over with. So true, but then at some point after they have paid for the item, they suddenly become smart and go elsewhere online to compare prices. When they find out they have paid more to the eBay seller, who do they blame? Certainly not themselves, it is most definitely eBay’s fault.

Of course. It couldn’t be "their" fault.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Should I sell? I say not, as my son’s euphoria over receiving it is worth more than money and how could one even consider selling such an invaluable treasure with a perfectly suitable recipient right here in our own house? DH says, "Sell the sucker." HELL NO! Don’t sell it since doing so would be akin to child abuse! What parent in the right state of mind and moral fortitude would destroy a child’s development by not teaching them about all the greatness and value of Microsoft products? Rita

Out of curiosity, it would be interesting to find how many guys buy Xbox strictly for their child? What percentage of the time does the "child" have it. Define which is the child. Just meandering and not making any comment on anyone here.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Hello reasonable people, Can someone please explain to me why the new/sealed iPods being sold on Ebay are selling for prices ABOVE RETAIL? The prices exclude shipping. Is it just me or is there not something wrong here? Are people bidding on their own products again, or perhaps are 12 year olds bidding just to create havoc? Even a person up in Alaska can order a new iPod via mail and not pay these prices, if their electronics stores don’t have them in stock. People have reminded me on occasion that there really stupid people out there who will buy anything, but I am a bit skeptical, having tried to sell items on Ebay myself …

I once sold a CPU for slightly more than it goes for new. When I asked the buyer what I was missing, he got *very* defensive. "This is a free country and I can spend my money as I please!", etc. I think he was just the all too typical dumb American consumer, who got embarrassed when it was pointed out. As any European or Middle-Eastern merchant can tell you, Americans aren’t exactly sharp consumers and very often don’t even comparison shop. A_C

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Out of curiosity, it would be interesting to find how many guys buy Xbox strictly for their child? What percentage of the time does the "child" have it. Define which is the child.

I have an in-law that has been bonkers about video games since the days of Pong. Always has the newest ones. A few years ago there was a hot one out for Christmas. Everybody was sold out. On Christmas Eve his wife walked up to the counter at Toys-R-Us and asked about them. The guy said they were sold out and that every one they had was called for. He asked how old the child was. She replied "48". The guy reached under the counter and handed her one of the consoles.

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Should I sell? I say not, as my son’s euphoria over receiving it is worth more than money and how could one even consider selling such an invaluable treasure with a perfectly suitable recipient right here in our own house? DH says, "Sell the sucker." HELL NO! Don’t sell it since doing so would be akin to child abuse! What parent in the right state of mind and moral fortitude would destroy a child’s development by not teaching them about all the greatness and value of Microsoft products?

==== Exactly. And don’t overlook the fact that he’s also learning no matter how tough things get, when all hope appears lost, his mom’s gonna come through for him. It just doesn’t get any better than that. ====

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – YUP. By Christmas I expect to see a few Xbox 360s sell for up to $5K. Should I sell? I say not, as my son’s euphoria over receiving it is worth more than money and how could one even consider selling such an invaluable treasure with a perfectly suitable recipient right here in our own house? DH says, "Sell the sucker." === I think it depends on your personal financial situation. I could make a case for it not being sane to maximize your profit, but in my case I wouldn’t sell it. Not that we couldn’t use the extra money, but it would indeed be extra money. Guessing you’re in the same boat, I say keep it. You can’t buy the *cool* factor he’s going to get when his friends all drool over it.

==== Yep–I’m with you. The mortgage is paid and the gas tanks are full. I got an iPod a few weeks ago for the 10 year old (it was on his list– a 10 year old! I had no idea there were SpongeBob iTunes). Looks like we could, if we were that kind of parents, cancel Santa and put a down payment on a yacht or something. ====

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – YUP. By Christmas I expect to see a few Xbox 360s sell for up to $5K. Should I sell? I say not, as my son’s euphoria over receiving it is worth more than money and how could one even consider selling such an invaluable treasure with a perfectly suitable recipient right here in our own house? DH says, "Sell the sucker." === I think it depends on your personal financial situation. I could make a case for it not being sane to maximize your profit, but in my case I wouldn’t sell it. Not that we couldn’t use the extra money, but it would indeed be extra money. Guessing you’re in the same boat, I say keep it. You can’t buy the *cool* factor he’s going to get when his friends all drool over it. ==== Yep–I’m with you. The mortgage is paid and the gas tanks are full. I got an iPod a few weeks ago for the 10 year old (it was on his list– a 10 year old! I had no idea there were SpongeBob iTunes). Looks like we could, if we were that kind of parents, cancel Santa and put a down payment on a yacht or something. ====

You’ve got a couple of lucky kids, I guess. I know family sizes tend towards smaller and incomes are sometimes higher than when I was a kid. But $500 is still near a week’s take-home pay for a lot of Dads, I’d guess. If I may geez a bit, when I was 10 or twelve I had three siblings in the house (and Mom at home not working, of course). The chance I was =ever= going to get a gift which consumed a week’s pay were about on par with giant meteors splashing into both oceans and wiping out both entire coastlines on the same day.

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VISA Will not chargeback PAYPAL Transactions

admin — Tue, 06 Dec 2005 00:00:00 +0000

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I ordered something on the net (not ebay) and paid through Paypal but did not get what I ordered and the merchant played dumb to all my efforts for dialogue. So I thought Paypal could do something about it but when I emailed them they told me the quality of the product, once shipped, is none of their concern. Well shit , I thought, let me just call my VISA company and cancel the damn transaction and lo and behold what I was told: "I’m sorry sir VISA is not allowed to chargeback on PAYPAL transactions" I’m not a frequent online buyer but I really find this utterly ridiculous. Am I missing something here??????

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Yeah, taking to that moron’s supervisor. And then his. And then VISA themselves.

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Yes, you are missing something. A credit card (Visa) charge to PayPal is basically a cash advance. There are no chargeback on cash advances. The "holder in due course" provisions (which make the credit card firm a party to a normal merchandise transaction, and are the legal basis for chargebacks) do not apply to cash advances. When you make a purchase using PayPal funded by a credit card, your ONLY recourse is PayPal. There is, normally, no "fallback" recourse to the credit card company. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I ordered something on the net (not ebay) and paid through Paypal but did not get what I ordered and the merchant played dumb to all my efforts for dialogue. So I thought Paypal could do something about it but when I emailed them they told me the quality of the product, once shipped, is none of their concern. Well shit , I thought, let me just call my VISA company and cancel the damn transaction and lo and behold what I was told: "I’m sorry sir VISA is not allowed to chargeback on PAYPAL transactions" I’m not a frequent online buyer but I really find this utterly ridiculous. Am I missing something here??????

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What country are you in, Barry? Here in the US, PayPal charges show up on a credit card statement as "PayPal –

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Use American Express. Have had 2 chargebacks on eBay/Paypal stuff, and never a problem.

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No, that policy was changed about 2 weeks after they instituted it about 7 years ago. That’s they way it should be, IMHO, but that’s not the way it is. A

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I think if you don’t fund more than a certain percentage of that particular transaction directly from the card, it isn’t covered. I.e. – if you fill your PayPal account, then make the transaction, then no cover. If, however, you make the PayPal payment and funds have to come from your CC as your PP balance is too low, then you may be covered. My understanding only and I am also in the UK(!)

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Bullhockey. I’ve done it, and so have many others on this group.

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A credit card (Visa) charge to PayPal is basically a cash advance. There are no chargeback on cash advances. The "holder in due course" provisions (which make the credit card firm a party to a normal merchandise transaction, and are the legal basis for chargebacks) do not apply to cash advances. When you make a purchase using PayPal funded by a credit card, your ONLY recourse is PayPal. There is, normally, no "fallback" recourse to the credit card company.

Woah Dude! More compost for my garden! I’m gonna have the biggest fucking tomatoes this side of Sacramento. Craig

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A credit card (Visa) charge to PayPal is basically a cash advance. There are no chargeback on cash advances. The "holder in due course" provisions (which make the credit card firm a party to a normal merchandise transaction, and are the legal basis for chargebacks) do not apply to cash advances. When you make a purchase using PayPal funded by a credit card, your ONLY recourse is PayPal. There is, normally, no "fallback" recourse to the credit card company. Woah Dude! More compost for my garden! I’m gonna have the biggest fucking tomatoes this side of Sacramento. Craig

What time is pickin’ season down South? Kris

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Or has anyone been told the same shit i was told? "I’m sorry sir VISA is not allowed to chargeback on Paypal transactions" and can anyone verify if Paypal transactions are ruled as cash advances?

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But why should there be a diff between funding Paypal first before doing a transaction and charging to Paypal who immediately charges your credit card? Doesnt make sense dude

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I ordered something on the net (not ebay) and paid through Paypal but did not get what I ordered and the merchant played dumb to all my efforts for dialogue. So I thought Paypal could do something about it but when I emailed them they told me the quality of the product, once shipped, is none of their concern. Well shit , I thought, let me just call my VISA company and cancel the damn transaction and lo and behold what I was told: "I’m sorry sir VISA is not allowed to chargeback on PAYPAL transactions" I’m not a frequent online buyer but I really find this utterly ridiculous. Am I missing something here?????? I think if you don’t fund more than a certain percentage of that particular transaction directly from the card, it isn’t covered. I.e. – if you fill your PayPal account, then make the transaction, then no cover. If, however, you make the PayPal payment and funds have to come from your CC as your PP balance is too low, then you may be covered. My understanding only and I am also in the UK(!)

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"I’m sorry sir VISA is not allowed to chargeback on PAYPAL transactions" I’m not a frequent online buyer but I really find this utterly ridiculous. Am I missing something here??????

Of course what you say can’t be true. Everybody here just knows that you can reverse a credit card charge just any old time you feel like it. They talk about it all of the time. It’s magic. You just pick up the phone and call the credit card company. Mumble a lot about "card not present" and stuff.

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A credit card (Visa) charge to PayPal is basically a cash advance. There are no chargeback on cash advances.

And the reason that no credit card company charges a cash advance fee for Paypal charges would be?

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What time is pickin’ season down South?

Lumpy ain’t down South. He’s out West.

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Or has anyone been told the same shit i was told? "I’m sorry sir VISA is not allowed to chargeback on Paypal transactions" and can anyone verify if Paypal transactions are ruled as cash advances?

In the US, they are not. In some other countries they are. What country are you in?

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What time is pickin’ season down South?

My banjo playing friends say it’s right after sex with their sister. Craig

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What time is pickin’ season down South? Lumpy ain’t down South. He’s out West.

I’m expanding. Buying out all the mom and pop musician/comedians and building 24 hr "Super Lumpy"’s just outside the city limits. Craig

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Or has anyone been told the same shit i was told? "I’m sorry sir VISA is not allowed to chargeback on Paypal transactions"

Somebody named Ninja was told that in another thread. Maybe ask her. Craig

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What’s the matter? Didn’t you like the answers to your other post? Bill —

Well some say that Paypal is backchargable and some say it isn’t, so I’d like so see if anyone did it before. Cus if a significant number of people did, I’d have to call VISA again and give em hell.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What’s the matter? Didn’t you like the answers to your other post? Bill — Well some say that Paypal is backchargable and some say it isn’t, so I’d like so see if anyone did it before. Cus if a significant number of people did, I’d have to call VISA again and give em hell.

Yep, that’s a guaranteed idea for getting help from the person on the phone. — Ty Who is mostly just a slightly skewed Donna Reed Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves. ~~ William Pitt, 18 Nov 1783

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Or has anyone been told the same shit i was told? "I’m sorry sir VISA is not allowed to chargeback on Paypal transactions" and can anyone verify if Paypal transactions are ruled as cash advances? In the US, they are not. In some other countries they are. What country are you in?

She’s in Singapore….and needs to look at the country-specific VISA rules. Kris

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Wildwood wrote What’s the matter? Didn’t you like the answers to your other post? Well some say that Paypal is backchargable and some say it isn’t, so I’d like so see if anyone did it before. Cus if a significant number of people did, I’d have to call VISA again and give em hell.

Many of the members of this group have. But the rules differ by country. In some countries PayPal is considered the merchant of record while in others it is considered a money transfer service. If PayPal doesn’t give you what they sold you, you can charge it back — the question is did they sell you the physical object (that you did not receive) or the money transfer service (that you did receive)? It sounds like, in your country, the answer is the latter.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I ordered something on the net (not ebay) and paid through Paypal but did not get what I ordered and the merchant played dumb to all my efforts for dialogue. So I thought Paypal could do something about it but when I emailed them they told me the quality of the product, once shipped, is none of their concern. Well shit , I thought, let me just call my VISA company and cancel the damn transaction and lo and behold what I was told: "I’m sorry sir VISA is not allowed to chargeback on PAYPAL transactions" I’m not a frequent online buyer but I really find this utterly ridiculous. Am I missing something here?????? I think if you don’t fund more than a certain percentage of that particular transaction directly from the card, it isn’t covered. I.e. – if you fill your PayPal account, then make the transaction, then no cover. If, however, you make the PayPal payment and funds have to come from your CC as your PP balance is too low, then you may be covered. My understanding only and I am also in the UK(!)

But why should there be a diff between funding Paypal first before doing a transaction and charging to Paypal who immediately charges your credit card? Doesnt make sense dude

If your credit card simply pays via paypal – i.e.. there is a direct line to the transaction – then you have used your credit card to pay for the transaction. If not – i.e. it is done via you depositing the balance first then you have not used your CC for the transaction.

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"I’m sorry sir VISA is not allowed to chargeback on PAYPAL transactions" I’m not a frequent online buyer but I really find this utterly ridiculous. Am I missing something here?????? Of course what you say can’t be true. Everybody here just knows that you can reverse a credit card charge just any old time you feel like it. They talk about it all of the time. It’s magic. You just pick up the phone and call the credit card company. Mumble a lot about "card not present" and stuff.

In the US it is, unfortunately, just that easy. Yes I have done it when I got no response from the people I paid. I have been told the "merchant" in this case I guess PayPal, can of course appeal, but in a case like this they (PP) are going to loose. My wife works in a business that takes CC’s, as do I. I don’t do anything with the billing, but the people that do tell me this happens a lot every year. They have a very short period of time to prove the card was used by the person who is the account holder, or they (the business) looses. In these on line (card not present) charges, PP is going to eat the charge if they can’t get it back from the account holder. Now if you are not in the US, then you are playing by a whole different set of rules. Some people seem to have trouble understanding that the "net" is world wide. I am sure there is some abuse of the "charge back" option here in the US. I would "guess" that if you abuse the privilege the bank issuing the card would let you know. I have had to do a few of them over the years both from in person sales, and online sales. All I ever got was a quick response taking the charge off my account "temporarily" followed weeks later by the charge being removed permanently. A lot of people don’t seem to like this, have to assume it’s because they had made such a mess of their credit that they can’t get a credit card??? Which in this day and age you would have to be one hell of a screw up to manage that.

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Is Ebay having problems?

admin — Sun, 04 Dec 2005 00:00:00 +0000

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All I can access is the main page?

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All I can access is the main page?

eBay seems fine to me. Slow as usual but I can access My eBay and a couple random auctions just fine. — When you hear the toilet flush, and hear the words "uh oh", it’s already too late. - by anonymous Mother in Austin, TX Spam block in place, no emil reply is expected at all.

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I just finished listing numerous things and haven’t had a problem! Michelle

All I can access is the main page? — No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition.

– No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. 12/2/2005

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All I can access is the main page?

I had some trouble reaching My eBay for a while but it’s working for me now.

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I just finished listing numerous things and haven’t had a problem!

But it looks like something has affected your news reader. All your replies are positioned at the TOP of the quoted material. That’s obviously very wrong, at least on planet earth where we read from top to bottom. Craig

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I just finished listing numerous things and haven’t had a problem! But it looks like something has affected your news reader. All your replies are positioned at the TOP of the quoted material. That’s obviously very wrong, at least on planet earth where we read from top to bottom. Craig

Well….there you go. Assuming they’re from Earth. Kris

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I just finished listing numerous things and haven’t had a problem! But it looks like something has affected your news reader. All your replies are positioned at the TOP of the quoted material. That’s obviously very wrong, at least on planet earth where we read from top to bottom. Craig

They’re probably Australian. Ed

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That’s obviously very wrong, at least on planet earth where we read from top to bottom. Craig They’re probably Australian. Ed

Scottsdale.

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All I can access is the main page? I hear that they’re replacing all periods with question marks. Bill —

Go away Wildwood. Find some other group to troll.

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PayPal questions

admin — Sun, 27 Nov 2005 00:00:00 +0000

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Most banks don’t charge for transfering sterling :-/ But PayPal charges a fee for converting it. It depends on your bank, and PayPal is not a bank. The OP was saying that his bank will accept US $ with no fees for converting, but PayPal will not deposit US $ into his account. He has to pay the PayPal currency conversion rate to withdraw funds into his bank account. A

I know…..but the comparison is with a bank, stating that "most banks don’t" charge a fee. I should have removed the part where it said "But PayPal charges…." As soon as anyone tries to compare PayPal to a bank, they’re obviously off-course. Kris

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Most banks don’t charge for transfering sterling :-/ But PayPal charges a fee for converting it. It depends on your bank, and PayPal is not a bank. The OP was saying that his bank will accept US $ with no fees for converting, but PayPal will not deposit US $ into his account. He has to pay the PayPal currency conversion rate to withdraw funds into his bank account. A I know…..but the comparison is with a bank, stating that "most banks don’t" charge a fee. I should have removed the part where it said "But PayPal charges…." As soon as anyone tries to compare PayPal to a bank, they’re obviously off-course.

He wasn’t comparing PayPal to a bank. He was asking if there was a way to transfer the money with the bank doing the conversion rather than PayPal because the banks don’t charge a fee — seems to me he’s got a pretty good grasp on the difference.

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Most banks don’t charge for transfering sterling :-/ But PayPal charges a fee for converting it. It depends on your bank, and PayPal is not a bank.

The OP was saying that his bank will accept US $ with no fees for converting, but PayPal will not deposit US $ into his account. He has to pay the PayPal currency conversion rate to withdraw funds into his bank account. A

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1. PayPal say they only allow you to downgrade your account to personal once. If you had downgraded already in the past, could you delete your account and re-create it as a personal account? You can have two PayPal accounts, one for personal purposes and one for business purposes. Just get one of each and you won’t have to do any downgrading or re-creating or anything.

….but only one of them is usable on eBay. kris

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"halfanorange" wrote … Thanks, I wish they could do this as my bank don’t charge any fees for transferring non-sterling currency.

In your dreams. You mean they bury the fee in another charge. — Andrew http://www.weirdity.com/ebay/

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – 1. PayPal say they only allow you to downgrade your account to personal once. If you had downgraded already in the past, could you delete your account and re-create it as a personal account? You can have two PayPal accounts, one for personal purposes and one for business purposes. Just get one of each and you won’t have to do any downgrading or re-creating or anything. Yeah, it’s amazing how easy receiving PayPal payments is when your eBay account is NARUed for asking people to use different PayPal accounts for different payment sources.

Well, I suspect that trying to evade the "downgrade only once" rule will get you permanently booted from PayPal. If you want to receive eBay payments with PayPal, you need a Business/Premier account. If you would like to receive personal payments without paying a fee, open a separate personal account.

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2. Will PayPal pay USD currency into a UK bank account without converting it? No

Thanks, I wish they could do this as my bank don’t charge any fees for transferring non-sterling currency.

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Most banks don’t charge for transfering sterling :-/

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Most banks don’t charge for transfering sterling :-/

But PayPal charges a fee for converting it.

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Most banks don’t charge for transfering sterling :-/ But PayPal charges a fee for converting it.

They might send you a USD check (cheque) if you asked for it. But it would be drawn on a US bank and your bank would probably charge you to deposit it. Paypal may charge you to mail a check, too.

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1. PayPal say they only allow you to downgrade your account to personal once. If you had downgraded already in the past, could you delete your account and re-create it as a personal account?

Yes 2. Will PayPal pay USD currency into a UK bank account without converting it?

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Most banks don’t charge for transfering sterling :-/ But PayPal charges a fee for converting it.

It depends on your bank, and PayPal is not a bank. Kris

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Most banks don’t charge for transfering sterling :-/ But PayPal charges a fee for converting it. It depends on your bank, and PayPal is not a bank.

No, PayPal always charges a fee for converting currency, regardless of the bank.

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1. PayPal say they only allow you to downgrade your account to personal once. If you had downgraded already in the past, could you delete your account and re-create it as a personal account?

You can have two PayPal accounts, one for personal purposes and one for business purposes. Just get one of each and you won’t have to do any downgrading or re-creating or anything.

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I know….but I’m referring to "Most banks don’t charge for transfering sterling "…., because others here (from the UK) have stated that many UK banks DO charge. Kris

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Sorry, if this is the wrong group, this group came up a lot when searching for PayPal. I have a couple of questions about PayPal: 1. PayPal say they only allow you to downgrade your account to personal once. If you had downgraded already in the past, could you delete your account and re-create it as a personal account? 2. Will PayPal pay USD currency into a UK bank account without converting it?

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Time Left

admin — Sat, 05 Nov 2005 00:00:00 +0000

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When looking an item on the eBay, the time left information is always listed, such as: Time left: 2 day 7 hours What does that mean? What will happen when the left time is over? If one intends to buy the item, does he need to buy it immediately, or wait the left time is over, or nearly over? Or will the item disappear from listing after the left time is over? Thanks.

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Click around in here. Should be helpful: http://pages.ebay.com/education/index.html — "And those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those who could not hear the music." — Friedrich Nietzsche

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When looking an item on the eBay, the time left information is always listed, such as: Time left: 2 day 7 hours What does that mean? What will happen when the left time is over?

Only Republicans will be allowed to vote.

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When looking an item on the eBay, the time left information is always listed, such as: Time left: 2 day 7 hours What does that mean? What will happen when the left time is over?…

It means French Muslim youth will firebomb your town because there’s "nothing for them to do". Craig

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<< Time left: 2 day 7 hours. What does that mean? That means the auction will be over. << What will happen when the left time is over? The auction will end. << If one intends to buy the item, does he need to buy it immediately, or wait the left time is over, or nearly over? When the auction is over, it’s over. Better jump in before the auction ends. << Or will the item disappear from listing after the left time is over? Now you’re getting it.

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— Kim *If there really is a pole at the North Pole, I bet there’s some dead explorer guy with his tongue stuck to it. (Bob Van Voris)*

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The price and distance (location) fields are updated before the time, for bidding. To bid before the time, enter the location and billing information in the "search" field and press the

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Followup on a psycho customer turned bank scam

admin — Thu, 03 Nov 2005 00:00:00 +0000

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Had a buyer (apparently) do the "fraudulent account use" with PayPal on me the other week. I’d followed the rules and got my money with no problems. Buyer got the product. Later, the buyer even gave me a positive feedback! Did you neg the buyer to leave a warning to future sellers?

How would you do that? IIUC, eBay does not allow mentioning PayPal investigations in FB. A

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I mailed the item to her Paypal confirmed address within 7 days of clearing using USPS tracking that shows delivery to the city of her confirmed address. Supposedly, this gives me seller protection… We’ll see =( The seller protection policy does not apply to fraudulent bank account usage. It protects against buyers’ claims of non-delivery.

No, it applied to me this morning. I got an e-mail saying I qualified for the seller protection policy, and the money was returned to my account. I had originally sent all of the info asked for in the e-mail notice (item, value, address, tracking number, etc.) Then, after thinking about it, I sent "further information" about the ordeal I went through with the customer and my theory that she was targeting me to get even for the negative I left her. I also pointed out that the confirmed Paypal account exactly matched the registered e-Bay address. I seriously doubt that a CC thief is going to steal someone’s e-Bay and Paypal accounts, buy some stuff, and have it sent to the account owner’s home address! Within hours, the money was returned. I have a feeling that my hunch about the customer was proven correct. Clearly her "fraudulent bank account use" wasn’t too widespread because she isn’t afraid to continue bidding on e-Bay. Now, I just wish the bitch would pay for her scamming, fraudulent claims! She’ll probably just play dumb and claim she forgot she bought something from me. mjoann

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The seller protection policy does not apply to fraudulent bank account usage. It protects against buyers’ claims of non-delivery.

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Well, today, I got my first Paypal reversal for this very item. It says it is being investigated for "reports of fraudulent bank account use." Now, this newbie to e-Bay has bid on hundreds of things in the past month, since she bought her first item from me. She’s racked up over 160 feedback. Despite this supposed fraudulent bank account use, she’s still

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Why not? Each transaction comes into my bank account separately. Pass me the bong Dave. Each withdrawal comes in separately. Some of use don’t do a withdrawal for every sale. The buyer’s told her bank either a) her entire account is hijacked, or b) one or more individual transactions are unauthorized. I doubt (a) since the account would be closed, causing the buyer significant inconvenience.

Well, if she’s making purchases from the same PayPal account attached to the same bank account and claiming only some are unauthorized, she’s only delayed the closing of her account.

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Why not? Each transaction comes into my bank account separately.

Pass me the bong Dave. Each withdrawal comes in separately. Some of use don’t do a withdrawal for every sale.

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Why not? Each transaction comes into my bank account separately. Pass me the bong Dave. Each withdrawal comes in separately. Some of use don’t do a withdrawal for every sale.

The buyer’s told her bank either a) her entire account is hijacked, or b) one or more individual transactions are unauthorized. I doubt (a) since the account would be closed, causing the buyer significant inconvenience.

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She couldn’t target ONE transaction and report that, since it was through PayPal.

Why not? Each transaction comes into my bank account separately.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve never had one of these before… would the account holder have to report fraudulent card use in general, or could the bitch specifically target this particular transaction to get back at me for the negative I left her? I am curious, because she’s still bidding, and apparently e-Bay doesn’t think she’s using the account fraudulently. I mailed the item to her Paypal confirmed address within 7 days of clearing using USPS tracking that shows delivery to the city of her confirmed address. Supposedly, this gives me seller protection… We’ll see =( mjoann She’s challenging the specific transaction. I’d love to hear her story. I suspect you’ll come out whole. The money will be frozen for a while.

That’s what I figured. What a bitch! (and thief!) Her Paypal address is confirmed and matches her registered e-Bay address exactly. So, here we have a pretty clear case of fraud… I left her a negative so she’s claiming the payment was unauthorized, even though all of the addresses match and the person who owns the bank account received the item. So… do I contact her local police station now, or what? I called Paypal to let them know what I suspected. I also e-mailed e-Bay. Let’s hope she’s kicked off ASAP. mjoann

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I don’t know if anyone remembers my bitchy customer from September… She paid over and over via e-check and I had to keep refunding. Then I had to wait a week for the first one to clear before I sent the item. Finally, I mailed the item ASAP, and just my luck, the USPS took ten days. Said bitch then complained in neutral feedback that I took her money and waited a month to send. Well, today, I got my first Paypal reversal for this very item. It says it is being investigated for "reports of fraudulent bank account use." Now, this newbie to e-Bay has bid on hundreds of things in the past month, since she bought her first item from me. She’s racked up over 160 feedback. Despite this supposed fraudulent bank account use, she’s still registered and bidding on e-Bay. I’m quite angry, of course! I’ve never had one of these before… would the account holder have to report fraudulent card use in general, or could the bitch specifically target this particular transaction to get back at me for the negative I left her? I am curious, because she’s still bidding, and apparently e-Bay doesn’t think she’s using the account fraudulently. I mailed the item to her Paypal confirmed address within 7 days of clearing using USPS tracking that shows delivery to the city of her confirmed address. Supposedly, this gives me seller protection… We’ll see =( mjoann

She’s been spending someone else’s money, I’ll bet. She couldn’t target ONE transaction and report that, since it was through PayPal. Kris

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I don’t know if anyone remembers my bitchy customer from September… She paid over and over via e-check and I had to keep refunding. Then I had to wait a week for the first one to clear before I sent the item. Finally, I mailed the item ASAP, and just my luck, the USPS took ten days. Said bitch then complained in neutral feedback that I took her money and waited a month to send. Well, today, I got my first Paypal reversal for this very item. It says it is being investigated for "reports of fraudulent bank account use." Now, this newbie to e-Bay has bid on hundreds of things in the past month, since she bought her first item from me. She’s racked up over 160 feedback. Despite this supposed fraudulent bank account use, she’s still registered and bidding on e-Bay. I’m quite angry, of course! I’ve never had one of these before… would the account holder have to report fraudulent card use in general, or could the bitch specifically target this particular transaction to get back at me for the negative I left her? I am curious, because she’s still bidding, and apparently e-Bay doesn’t think she’s using the account fraudulently. I mailed the item to her Paypal confirmed address within 7 days of clearing using USPS tracking that shows delivery to the city of her confirmed address. Supposedly, this gives me seller protection… We’ll see =( mjoann

She’s challenging the specific transaction. I’d love to hear her story. I suspect you’ll come out whole. The money will be frozen for a while.

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I don’t know if anyone remembers my bitchy customer from September… She paid over and over via e-check and I had to keep refunding. Then I had to wait a week for the first one to clear before I sent the item. Finally, I mailed the item ASAP, and just my luck, the USPS took ten days. Said bitch then complained in neutral feedback that I took her money and waited a month to send. Well, today, I got my first Paypal reversal for this very item. It says it is being investigated for "reports of fraudulent bank account use." Now, this newbie to e-Bay has bid on hundreds of things in the past month, since she bought her first item from me. She’s racked up over 160 feedback. Despite this supposed fraudulent bank account use, she’s still registered and bidding on e-Bay. I’m quite angry, of course! I’ve never had one of these before… would the account holder have to report fraudulent card use in general, or could the bitch specifically target this particular transaction to get back at me for the negative I left her? I am curious, because she’s still bidding, and apparently e-Bay doesn’t think she’s using the account fraudulently. I mailed the item to her Paypal confirmed address within 7 days of clearing using USPS tracking that shows delivery to the city of her confirmed address. Supposedly, this gives me seller protection… We’ll see =( mjoann

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making feedback private

admin — Tue, 01 Nov 2005 00:00:00 +0000

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – on scale from -10 to 10 how bad is it for my selling account to have private feedback? I know when I buy, I don’t like to see private feedback on record of seller… but I guess do unto others as you like done unto you doesn’t always apply. lets have a survey… turn off or no turn off I highly advise all of my competitors to make their feedback private. Bill — By working faithfully eight hours a day, you may eventually get to be boss and work twelve hours a day. – Robert Frost The envious only hate the excellence they cannot reach. – From a letter to Thomas Jefferson as quoted by Dumas Malone

haha thats good one rigth here

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on scale from -10 to 10 how bad is it for my selling account to have private feedback?

-11

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on scale from -10 to 10 how bad is it for my selling account to have private feedback? -11

-42 actually. — Many thanks, Don Lancaster voice phone: (928)428-4073 Synergetics 3860 West First Street Box 809 Thatcher, AZ 85552 Please visit my GURU’s LAIR web site at http://www.tinaja.com

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Private feedback is a red flag ABSOLUTE GUARANTEE you are dealing with a === Not really. I have a favorite seller who has her feedback private. Not sure why. She has no negatives. She also keeps her buyers’ identities private. She doesn’t sell porn or such–just high end items of a particular category. Maybe she doesn’t want spouses / gift recipients to find out how much was spent? She doesn’t want her Momma to know she’s buying lingerie.

=== Nope–Not lingerie either. ===

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Then he responded to the negs by calling me names. Do you know that this COULD be a reason for eBay to delete all the feedbacks left from you to the seller and vice versa? AS

Not anymore. It used to be that they had to remove the whole thing, but now they can remove just the response. — Joanne

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Ditto, neither will I. Period.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Keep it public. I won’t buy from someone with private feedback. Tom

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – on scale from -10 to 10 how bad is it for my selling account to have private feedback? I know when I buy, I don’t like to see private feedback on record of seller… but I guess do unto others as you like done unto you doesn’t always apply. lets have a survey… turn off or no turn off Private feedback is a red flag ABSOLUTE GUARANTEE you are dealing with a === Not really. I have a favorite seller who has her feedback private. Not sure why. She has no negatives. She also keeps her buyers’ identities private. She doesn’t sell porn or such–just high end items of a particular category. Maybe she doesn’t want spouses / gift recipients to find out how much was spent?

She doesn’t want her Momma to know she’s buying lingerie.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Keep it public. I won’t buy from someone with private feedback. Tom hmmm.. can yu give me the other answer, the one I wanted to hear please. I have some issues with a bad buyer I haver to resolve before making my feedback public again. he said some bad things that were not all true. and I just need to corect this situation. So if your buyer was at fault and you responded factually to his feedback in your profile then what have you to hide? If there are lies in your feedback and you have responded with a statement to that fact that any level headed person will see the neg for what it is and ignore it.

Neil has it right, tiktak. Hiding all of your reputation because of one person’s opinion makes no sense.

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on scale from -10 to 10 how bad is it for my selling account to have private feedback? I know when I buy, I don’t like to see private feedback on record of seller… but I guess do unto others as you like done unto you doesn’t always apply. lets have a survey… turn off or no turn off

If a seller has private feedback, I won’t buy from them… (IMHO, bad idea in any case.)

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The only time I was ever burnt bad was from a seller with private feedback. I was new to eBay, and didn’t know better. But, I’ll never buy from someone like that again.

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=== Not really. I have a favorite seller who has her feedback private. Not sure why. She has no negatives. She also keeps her buyers’ identities private. She doesn’t sell porn or such–just high end items of a particular category. Maybe she doesn’t want spouses / gift recipients to find out how much was spent? ===

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Private feedback is a red flag ABSOLUTE GUARANTEE you are dealing with a scammer. — Many thanks, Don Lancaster voice phone: (928)428-4073 Synergetics 3860 West First Street Box 809 Thatcher, AZ 85552 Please visit my GURU’s LAIR web site at http://www.tinaja.com

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Keep it public. I won’t buy from someone with private feedback. Tom hmmm.. can yu give me the other answer, the one I wanted to hear please. I have some issues with a bad buyer I haver to resolve before making my feedback public again. he said some bad things that were not all true. and I just need to corect this situation.

So if your buyer was at fault and you responded factually to his feedback in your profile then what have you to hide? If there are lies in your feedback and you have responded with a statement to that fact that any level headed person will see the neg for what it is and ignore it. Anyone who does not is the sort of person you don’t want as a customer anyway. However if the buyer There is no reason for private feedback due to negative comments unless you have something you don’t want others to see that will give them the impression that you’re a wanker. In fact there is no real reason for private feedback at all, some people think it will stop others from seeing what they are buying but they forget about the advanced search facility that shows what they are bidding on never mince only the auctions they win. — Niel H

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Then he responded to the negs by calling me names.

Do you know that this COULD be a reason for eBay to delete all the feedbacks left from you to the seller and vice versa? AS

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Absolutely keep it public. If your feedback stinks THAT much, open a new account and sell from there. I would definitely trust much more a zero-feedback seller, that a private-feedback seller. And there are good reason for this. Scammers keep the feedback private and/or private auctions to avoid that people can inform each other. AS

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Keep it public. I won’t buy from someone with private feedback. Tom hmmm.. can yu give me the other answer, the one I wanted to hear please. I have some issues with a bad buyer I haver to resolve before making my feedback public again. he said some bad things that were not all true. and I just need to corect this situation. So if your buyer was at fault and you responded factually to his feedback in your profile then what have you to hide? If there are lies in your feedback and you have responded with a statement to that fact that any level headed person will see the neg for what it is and ignore it. Anyone who does not is the sort of person you don’t want as a customer anyway. However if the buyer There is no reason for private feedback due to negative comments unless you have something you don’t want others to see that will give them the impression that you’re a wanker. In fact there is no real reason for private feedback at all, some people think it will stop others from seeing what they are buying but they forget about the advanced search facility that shows what they are bidding on never mince only the auctions they win. — Niel H

Tina

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<< I have some issues with a bad buyer I had a situation with a seller a year or so ago. I bought six items from him in six auctions which all closed at the same time. Before I could pay for the items, I was unexpectedly called away on business. Due to the nature of my work, I was unable to take care of these auction items until I returned home. I immediately e-mailed the seller, aplogized for the delay and said I was ready to pay; all I needed was a grand total. He e-mailed me back and said he had tried to e-mail me for two weeks and got no reply. He relisted the items and left six neg. feedbacks on my profile. I e-mailed him repeatedly attempting to resolve the situation to his satisfaction and all I wanted in return was to have the negs withdrawn. I offered to pay for the items even tho they were already sold to someone else. I offerd to pay the fees from each auction. This guy became beligerant and I was offering him money! I gave him several chances to avoid my leaving negs for him. He said go ahead. So I did. Then he responded to the negs by calling me names. Anyway, my point is, I got this big chunk of negs and took my lumps. I kept it open for all to see. I truly believe that beecause I did not hide my feedback, potential buyers trusted me. My sales did not suffer from this. Some e-mailed me and asked for details which I freely shared. They were appreciative for my openness. Tom

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Keep it public. I won’t buy from someone with private feedback. Tom

hmmm.. can yu give me the other answer, the one I wanted to hear please. I have some issues with a bad buyer I haver to resolve before making my feedback public again. he said some bad things that were not all true. and I just need to corect this situation. but anyway. thank you for your comment. I’ll see what I can do. my best as always I’m sure. goodnite

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Keep it public. I won’t buy from someone with private feedback. Tom

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} on scale from -10 to 10 } how bad is it for my selling account to have private feedback? I know when } I buy, I don’t like to see private feedback on record of seller… but I } guess do unto others as you like done unto you doesn’t always apply. } } lets have a survey… turn off or no turn off

It’s somewhat of a turnoff to me, but if the feedback number and percentage rating can still be seen and is considerably high, I would not completely rule out buying from someone with private feedback. Why would you _want_ to have your feedback private?