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I think a NPB should be allowed to REPLY to your neg feedback, but since they didn’t hold up their end of the "legally binding bidding contract" as it states in the bidding box on the auction page, why should they be allowed to participate in the feedback democracy?
I’ve never seen this suggested before, and it makes a lot of sense. Of course, that means ebay will be dead set against it. :^) It shouldn’t be that hard to implement, and would prevent abuses like a couple that I have seen mentioned on this NG, where NPBs came back and did retaliatory negs. — OK, so it’s a flipping Mario ripoff. It’s free, it’s a quick DL, and it’ll run on a slow machine. What more do you want from a game called Happy the Coin Collecting Penguin? http://www.astralent.com/HappyPenguin.html
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We’ve just replaced Scott Keenan’s post to alt.marketing.online.ebay with new Folger’s Crystals. Let’s see if anyone notices: You could always wait until 89 days and 23 hours, then leave your negative.. I never thought you could snipe feedback 
I won’t work. You could snipe feedback when eBay enforced the "no feedback after 60 days" rule. Now they don’t care. You can leave feedback anytime now, as long as the auction is still in the database. Currently that is a MINIMUM of 90 days, but could go up as high as 120. Can’t snipe your feedbacks with an unknown dynamic deadline. The other night, I was lying in bed looking up at the stars, and I wondered
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Now see, you all got this right WITHOUT my help 
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I disagree. As a seller who posts feedback as soon as I receive payment (my feeling that the buyer has fulfilled their end of the deal), this makes no sense. Also, I state in my auction that shipping = x amount +.35 for priority confirmation shipping. An inexpensive way to verify that an item was received. Additionally, I was talking only about NON-PAYING bidders. What does that have to do with sellers that don’t ship goods? I think perhaps this is a subject you could take up in another thread, but doesn’t relate here. I don’t think anything I mentioned would "scare away buyers;" I merely feel that bidders who are deadbeats and don’t pay should not be allowed to post feedback to a seller about that transaction. I’m talking about the bidders who never pay, never respond to e-mail, etc. The seller has now lost their listing fee, and lost time and energy trying to contact the deadbeat, etc. and needs to re-list and go through the same process once again (hopefully this time with another successfully completed auction, and a PAYING BIDDER). Michelle – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Alright, if you add that feature, how about setting it so if a buyer says he hasn’t received the product, the seller can’t give any feedback? After all, then the seller hasn’t fulfilled his side of the contract either. Do the possibilities for abuse this would create become a little more apparent? Unless eBay requires everyone to use a form of shipping that can be tracked online, and requires everyone to use a form of payment that goes through eBay, i.e. billpoint, then the system would be no more difficult to abuse than it is now. It would, however, remove some buyer confidence in the system, because it would allow a seller to refuse to sell an item if the price went to low, then claim he hadn’t been contacted by the seller, file an NPB report, and lose all risk of a negative being left in return. Anything that scares away buyers by taking away the little power they have in the transaction hurts all sellers far more than a few jerks who don’t pay and then leave retaliatory negatives. How about a different system, make leaving a negative feedback for a seller or buyer after you failed or refused to complete the auction according to its terms an offense that would result in your suspension from eBay? Require people to respond to eBay when an NPB warning letter is filed, or assume that the warning letter is justified? I can see some ways for dishonest people to work around that as well, but it wouldn’t be as bad as just assuming that the seller is always right, and the buyer always wrong. Richard Ward I think a NPB should be allowed to REPLY to your neg feedback, but since they didn’t hold up their end of the "legally binding bidding contract" as it states in the bidding box on the auction page, why should they be allowed to participate in the feedback democracy? I’ve never seen this suggested before, and it makes a lot of sense. Of course, that means ebay will be dead set against it. :^) It shouldn’t be that hard to implement, and would prevent abuses like a couple that I have seen mentioned on this NG, where NPBs came back and did retaliatory negs. — OK, so it’s a flipping Mario ripoff. It’s free, it’s a quick DL, and it’ll run on a slow machine. What more do you want from a game called Happy the Coin Collecting Penguin? http://www.astralent.com/HappyPenguin.html
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We’ve just replaced David Saad’s post to alt.marketing.online.ebay with new Folger’s Crystals. Let’s see if anyone notices: I quoth: Suck it up and leave the neg. You’re going to have to break your cherry sooner or later LOL, what are you a goodfella 
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Yeah, I Joe fuckin’ Pesci, youze guys. From now on, NPBs get whacked. "I’m not a Republican because I don’t make enough money to be that big of an asshole." —Paula Poundstone
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Here’s an e-mail that I sent to ebay safe harbor last night and following is their response. I’ve now forwarded it to the appropriate "department," and await their response. I am writing to suggest that you revise your NPB feedback policy, as I have a serious concern about abuse of the feedback system. I have recently had bidders who did not hold up their end of the "legally binding bidding contract" (as stated in the bidding box on the auction page). It’s been more than a month and after contacting them several times and following the NPB policies, I’ve filed for a final value fee credit. I feel it’s my moral responsibility to post negative feedback for these bidders to warn others in the ebay community of their behavior. However, I’m afraid of doing so, as I have been warned by other sellers about "retaliatory feedback," where a NPB will leave negative feedback to a seller merely because the seller left (justified!) negative feedback for the NPB. I have seen this apparent misuse myself on many feedback profiles. If an ebay user receives a negative feedback unjustly – due to retaliation – their only recourse is to respond to that feedback. However, not all potential bidders – assuming they know how to do so – will take the time to sort throught a sellers feedback profile to see what the problem was; most merely look at the feedback "card," or only the first page or two of feedback. When a bidder does not hold up their end of the"legally binding bidding contract," why should they be allowed to participate in the feedback democracy? The seller loses their listing fee, their time in contact attempts and undergoes stress and hassle. I feel that a NPB should be allowed to REPLY to their own negative feedback in an auction they won but did not pay for, but do not feel it is fair for them to be permitted to leave a comment on the sellers feedback record when they did not even return the sellers e-mails, let alone engage in a transaction with that seller. In a related feedback abuse scam, I’ve heard of competing dealers becoming new users under bogus names and bidding on competitors items with the intention of not paying – hoping for the neg. feedback, so they can retaliate and mar their opponents record. It seems to me there should be a different sort of system in place so that these kind of abuses could not take place. Sincerely, Michelle ebay user since 1/97 Hello, Thank you for writing us. I apologize for your inconvenience with this matter. You do have some very valid points, and I’m sure that your suggestions would make our site much more fair to sellers and bidders alike. I urge you to share your idea with our development team. This team would welcome any suggestions on how to improve our community and you may contact them at: Before you buy.
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Makes good sense and is great advice; however, what about those who only look at the "feedback card" and don’t bother paging through to read what the feedback is about if it happened 8 billion days ago?
People who don’t look at what negs were about months ago generally don’t care about them. If I’m concerned enough about feedback for it to sway whether I’m going to bid, I’m concerned enough to look it up as need be. — OK, so it’s a flipping Mario ripoff. It’s free, it’s a quick DL, and it’ll run on a slow machine. What more do you want from a game called Happy the Coin Collecting Penguin? http://www.astralent.com/HappyPenguin.html —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–== Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–
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Alright, if you add that feature, how about setting it so if a buyer says he hasn’t received the product, the seller can’t give any feedback? After all, then the seller hasn’t fulfilled his side of the contract either. Do the possibilities for abuse this would create become a little more apparent? Unless eBay requires everyone to use a form of shipping that can be tracked online, and requires everyone to use a form of payment that goes through eBay, i.e. billpoint, then the system would be no more difficult to abuse than it is now. It would, however, remove some buyer confidence in the system, because it would allow a seller to refuse to sell an item if the price went to low, then claim he hadn’t been contacted by the seller, file an NPB report, and lose all risk of a negative being left in return. Anything that scares away buyers by taking away the little power they have in the transaction hurts all sellers far more than a few jerks who don’t pay and then leave retaliatory negatives. How about a different system, make leaving a negative feedback for a seller or buyer after you failed or refused to complete the auction according to its terms an offense that would result in your suspension from eBay? Require people to respond to eBay when an NPB warning letter is filed, or assume that the warning letter is justified? I can see some ways for dishonest people to work around that as well, but it wouldn’t be as bad as just assuming that the seller is always right, and the buyer always wrong. Richard Ward – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I think a NPB should be allowed to REPLY to your neg feedback, but since they didn’t hold up their end of the "legally binding bidding contract" as it states in the bidding box on the auction page, why should they be allowed to participate in the feedback democracy? I’ve never seen this suggested before, and it makes a lot of sense. Of course, that means ebay will be dead set against it. :^) It shouldn’t be that hard to implement, and would prevent abuses like a couple that I have seen mentioned on this NG, where NPBs came back and did retaliatory negs. — OK, so it’s a flipping Mario ripoff. It’s free, it’s a quick DL, and it’ll run on a slow machine. What more do you want from a game called Happy the Coin Collecting Penguin? http://www.astralent.com/HappyPenguin.html
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OK, Fred. You make complete sense. Absolutely correct. As you said, if no one reported deadbeats, then what’s the purpose of the system – a point well taken. I’ll suck it up and do it, but I’m also going to write a letter to ebay suggesting that they revise the NPB feedback policy. I think a NPB should be allowed to REPLY to your neg feedback, but since they didn’t hold up their end of the "legally binding bidding contract" as it states in the bidding box on the auction page, why should they be allowed to participate in the feedback democracy? I’ve even heard of competing dealers becoming new users under bogus names and bidding on competitors items with the intention of not paying – hoping for the neg. feedback, so they can retaliate and mar their opponents record. Just seems to me their should be a different sort of system in place so that these kind of abuses could not take place. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Nuke them til they glow. If everyone bases their feedback on fear of reprisal instead of on the facts of the transaction, there will be nothing but positive feedback, and it will all be equally useless. Explain the facts, and let the chips fall where they may. — OK, so it’s a flipping Mario ripoff. It’s free, it’s a quick DL, and it’ll run on a slow machine. What more do you want from a game called Happy the Coin Collecting Penguin? http://www.astralent.com/HappyPenguin.html I have a couple of buyers who have not ever paid me for auctions they’ve won. I’ve filed for NPB, and would like to post negative feedback on them to warn other sellers. However, I see that a lot of retalitory feedback goes on and I do not want a negative mark on my record due to someone else’s dysfunctional dead-beat bidding scheme. What have others done in this situation? I feel like just letting it slide due to wanting to retain my clean slate. However, I feel like I’m shirking my moral responsibility to warn other sellers of their activity and am also allowing them to "get away with something" Any thoughts?
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OK, Scott. Can I just say: "YOU are a freaking GENIUS!" Love this kind of plan… : ) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You could always wait until 89 days and 23 hours, then leave your negative.. hmmm actually… I think its time I write a new feedback scheduling code I never thought you could snipe feedback tbc video papier11 scott I have a couple of buyers who have not ever paid me for auctions they’ve won. I’ve filed for NPB, and would like to post negative feedback on them to warn other sellers. However, I see that a lot of retalitory feedback goes on and I do not want a negative mark on my record due to someone else’s dysfunctional dead-beat bidding scheme. What have others done in this situation? I feel like just letting it slide due to wanting to retain my clean slate. However, I feel like I’m shirking my moral responsibility to warn other sellers of their activity and am also allowing them to "get away with something" Any thoughts? Before you buy.
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Makes good sense and is great advice; however, what about those who only look at the "feedback card" and don’t bother paging through to read what the feedback is about if it happened 8 billion days ago? : ) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Give the neg. I have given about 5 negs and have never had a retaliatory neg, although I know it will happen sooner or later. If it happens to you, just reply professionally to the neg e.g. "This is a retaliatory negative from a deadbeat bidder." I have a couple of buyers who have not ever paid me for auctions they’ve won. I’ve filed for NPB, and would like to post negative feedback on them to warn other sellers. However, I see that a lot of retalitory feedback goes on and I do not want a negative mark on my record due to someone else’s dysfunctional dead-beat bidding scheme. What have others done in this situation? I feel like just letting it slide due to wanting to retain my clean slate. However, I feel like I’m shirking my moral responsibility to warn other sellers of their activity and am also allowing them to "get away with something" Any thoughts? Before you buy.
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I have a couple of buyers who have not ever paid me for auctions they’ve won. I’ve filed for NPB, and would like to post negative feedback on them to warn other sellers. However, I see that a lot of retalitory feedback goes on and I do not want a negative mark on my record due to someone else’s dysfunctional dead-beat bidding scheme. What have others done in this situation? I feel like just letting it slide due to wanting to retain my clean slate. However, I feel like I’m shirking my moral responsibility to warn other sellers of their activity and am also allowing them to "get away with something" Any thoughts?
Nuke them til they glow. If everyone bases their feedback on fear of reprisal instead of on the facts of the transaction, there will be nothing but positive feedback, and it will all be equally useless. Explain the facts, and let the chips fall where they may. — OK, so it’s a flipping Mario ripoff. It’s free, it’s a quick DL, and it’ll run on a slow machine. What more do you want from a game called Happy the Coin Collecting Penguin? http://www.astralent.com/HappyPenguin.html
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Suck it up and leave the neg. You’re going to have to break your cherry sooner or later LOL, what are you a goodfella ? — David Saad Muzo Mine Emerald Co. Click here to search our auctions: http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/davesaad/
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – with new Folger’s Crystals. Let’s see if anyone notices: I have a couple of buyers who have not ever paid me for auctions they’ve won. I’ve filed for NPB, and would like to post negative feedback on them to warn other sellers. However, I see that a lot of retalitory feedback goes on and I do not want a negative mark on my record due to someone else’s dysfunctional dead-beat bidding scheme. What have others done in this situation? I feel Left the neg anyway. I’m not going to be intimidated by the possibility of retaliation… I can respond to it. like just letting it slide due to wanting to retain my clean slate. However, Then the feedback system doesn’t work. If the guy’s a deadbeat, it’s UP TO YOU to warn others that he’s a deadbeat (and if you file for the FVF, you may actually have the pleasure of seeing the guy NARU’d before he can leave the retaliatory neg). Suck it up and leave the neg. You’re going to have to break your cherry sooner or later, it may as well do other sellers a favour. If he negs you back, just respond calmly stating that he is a deadbeat and left you retaliatory neg feedback. Just keep it calm and factual, and HE will look like the idiot. The neg shouldn’t affect you. I feel like I’m shirking my moral responsibility to warn other sellers of their activity and am also allowing them to "get away with something" Any thoughts? DON’T allow him to get away with anything. Post the neg, and respond to whatever neg he posts in retaliation. Stop being an ENabler, and instead be a DISabler…
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Give the neg. I have given about 5 negs and have never had a retaliatory neg, although I know it will happen sooner or later. If it happens to you, just reply professionally to the neg e.g. "This is a retaliatory negative from a deadbeat bidder." – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have a couple of buyers who have not ever paid me for auctions they’ve won. I’ve filed for NPB, and would like to post negative feedback on them to warn other sellers. However, I see that a lot of retalitory feedback goes on and I do not want a negative mark on my record due to someone else’s dysfunctional dead-beat bidding scheme. What have others done in this situation? I feel like just letting it slide due to wanting to retain my clean slate. However, I feel like I’m shirking my moral responsibility to warn other sellers of their activity and am also allowing them to "get away with something" Any thoughts? Before you buy.
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You could always wait until 89 days and 23 hours, then leave your negative.. hmmm actually… I think its time I write a new feedback scheduling code I never thought you could snipe feedback tbc video papier11 scott – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have a couple of buyers who have not ever paid me for auctions they’ve won. I’ve filed for NPB, and would like to post negative feedback on them to warn other sellers. However, I see that a lot of retalitory feedback goes on and I do not want a negative mark on my record due to someone else’s dysfunctional dead-beat bidding scheme. What have others done in this situation? I feel like just letting it slide due to wanting to retain my clean slate. However, I feel like I’m shirking my moral responsibility to warn other sellers of their activity and am also allowing them to "get away with something" Any thoughts? Before you buy.
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All I can say is that I’ve left quite a few negs for deadbeat bidders and have yet to receive a neg in return. I’m sure I will eventually, but as long as you’ve given them plenty of time to pay, and still had no response, then you know what you should do. :-/ Rhonda – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I have a couple of buyers who have not ever paid me for auctions they’ve won. I’ve filed for NPB, and would like to post negative feedback on them to warn other sellers. However, I see that a lot of retalitory feedback goes on and I do not want a negative mark on my record due to someone else’s dysfunctional dead-beat bidding scheme. What have others done in this situation? I feel like just letting it slide due to wanting to retain my clean slate. However, I feel like I’m shirking my moral responsibility to warn other sellers of their activity and am also allowing them to "get away with something" Any thoughts? Before you buy.
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with new Folger’s Crystals. Let’s see if anyone notices: I have a couple of buyers who have not ever paid me for auctions they’ve won. I’ve filed for NPB, and would like to post negative feedback on them to warn other sellers. However, I see that a lot of retalitory feedback goes on and I do not want a negative mark on my record due to someone else’s dysfunctional dead-beat bidding scheme. What have others done in this situation? I feel
Left the neg anyway. I’m not going to be intimidated by the possibility of retaliation… I can respond to it. like just letting it slide due to wanting to retain my clean slate. However,
Then the feedback system doesn’t work. If the guy’s a deadbeat, it’s UP TO YOU to warn others that he’s a deadbeat (and if you file for the FVF, you may actually have the pleasure of seeing the guy NARU’d before he can leave the retaliatory neg). Suck it up and leave the neg. You’re going to have to break your cherry sooner or later, it may as well do other sellers a favour. If he negs you back, just respond calmly stating that he is a deadbeat and left you retaliatory neg feedback. Just keep it calm and factual, and HE will look like the idiot. The neg shouldn’t affect you. I feel like I’m shirking my moral responsibility to warn other sellers of their activity and am also allowing them to "get away with something" Any thoughts?
DON’T allow him to get away with anything. Post the neg, and respond to whatever neg he posts in retaliation. Stop being an ENabler, and instead be a DISabler… The other night, I was lying in bed looking up at the stars, and I wondered
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I have a couple of buyers who have not ever paid me for auctions they’ve won. I’ve filed for NPB, and would like to post negative feedback on them to warn other sellers. However, I see that a lot of retalitory feedback goes on and I do not want a negative mark on my record due to someone else’s dysfunctional dead-beat bidding scheme. What have others done in this situation? I feel like just letting it slide due to wanting to retain my clean slate. However, I feel like I’m shirking my moral responsibility to warn other sellers of their activity and am also allowing them to "get away with something" Any thoughts? Before you buy.
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