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ahh, similar to copyright violation, or selling a bootlegg.
Or using someone’s trademark (which is by and large the most frequent abuse it seems).
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Furthermore you can sell an item innocently, and the item’s VERO rep can simply get the auction pulled, then get you NARU’d just by asking. The system stinks. — Sinrod Stained Glass Studios www.sinrodstudios.com Coney Island Memories www.sinrodstudios.com/coneymemories – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – VERO reasons this came up in another thread, what does vero mean? robert Verified Rights Owner, eBay’s program for protection of intellectual property rights. If someone registers with VeRO, and jumps through some hoops, they can effectively kill any auction that they claim is violating their IP rights. By doing it this way, the IP owners effectively have to police the site themselves, and eBay avoids any potential liability. Ok so say you make a really unique item that is tied to your name, you can register for this and if anyone tries to copy it and sell it, they can get in ttrouble? Loev, Ms Pants
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Furthermore you can sell an item innocently, and the item’s VERO rep can simply get the auction pulled, then get you NARU’d just by asking. The system stinks.
I suspect that you don’t get NARUed for asking, it’s just a slightly delayed NARU from the original sale. It’s kind of interesting–eBay desperately wants the "only a venue" position, but they’re also quite keen for their sellers to take complete responsibility for provenance and saleability of all items. Deborah Stevenson
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Based on what you said. You were warned at first and only the one auction was cancelled. Then you put up another one and got VERO’d. Is that correct? If so, I don’t see the problem. If not, then you got screwed.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Wait till you hear this one…. I put up for sale a Las Vegas Entertainent Book, that I bought on Ebay 2 weeks before. To my surprise it gets cancelled for VERO reasons. I ask for and get no explanation for 2 days, (others are selling currently). Today I get NARU’d for repeated VERO violations! In the past year I had 2 pocketbooks questioned for authenticity. One was OK’d the other pulled. I’m not a mass seller of fraudulent stuff, just a one at a time rep for different people. I am a Powerseller with over 560 pos. and only 3 negs. in over 2 years. Can you believe this? I had 40 items this week cancelled along with all this as well. We as sellers don’t have a real person to appeal to either. Only email and asking for reinstatement. This really sucks!! — Sinrod Stained Glass Studios www.sinrodstudios.com Coney Island Memories www.sinrodstudios.com/coneymemories
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Wait till you hear this one…. I put up for sale a Las Vegas Entertainent Book, that I bought on Ebay 2 weeks before. To my surprise it gets cancelled for VERO reasons. I ask for and get no explanation for 2 days, (others are selling currently). Today I get NARU’d for repeated VERO violations! In the past year I had 2 pocketbooks questioned for authenticity. One was OK’d the other pulled. I’m not a mass seller of fraudulent stuff, just a one at a time rep for different people. I am a Powerseller with over 560 pos. and only 3 negs. in over 2 years. Can you believe this? I had 40 items this week cancelled along with all this as well. We as sellers don’t have a real person to appeal to either. Only email and asking for reinstatement. This really sucks!!
…I think of the VERO program with Ebay as something you just don’t mess with. I think we all have a mutual fear of getting NARU’d and having repeated VERO violations is a good way to insure your NARUness. Why in the world didn’t you stop after the first time they warned you???
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Wait till you hear this one…. I put up for sale a Las Vegas Entertainent Book, that I bought on Ebay 2 weeks before. To my surprise it gets cancelled for VERO reasons. I ask for and get no explanation for 2 days, (others are selling currently). Today I get NARU’d for repeated VERO violations! In the past year I had 2 pocketbooks questioned for authenticity. One was OK’d the other pulled. I’m not a mass seller of fraudulent stuff, just a one at a time rep for different people.
[snip] …I think of the VERO program with Ebay as something you just don’t mess with. I think we all have a mutual fear of getting NARU’d and having repeated VERO violations is a good way to insure your NARUness. Why in the world didn’t you stop after the first time they warned you???
It doesn’t sound to me like s/he continued, actually, at least not in the way I think you mean it. We’re talking two very different items a considerable time apart, not somebody trying to sneak the same item out again. I think you’re right, though, in that if you’ve been warned for a VeRo infraction before, you need to make sure your stuff is squeaky clean in future. Having seen it or bought it on eBay isn’t, alas, enough to make sure of that. Deborah Stevenson
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Wait till you hear this one…. I put up for sale a Las Vegas Entertainent Book, that I bought on Ebay 2 weeks before. To my surprise it gets cancelled for VERO reasons. I ask for and get no explanation for 2 days, (others are selling currently). Today I get NARU’d for repeated VERO violations! In the past year I had 2 pocketbooks questioned for authenticity. One was OK’d the other pulled. I’m not a mass seller of fraudulent stuff, just a one at a time rep for different people. I am a Powerseller with over 560 pos. and only 3 negs. in over 2 years. Can you believe this? I had 40 items this week cancelled along with all this as well. We as sellers don’t have a real person to appeal to either. Only email and asking for reinstatement. This really sucks!! — Sinrod Stained Glass Studios www.sinrodstudios.com Coney Island Memories www.sinrodstudios.com/coneymemories
Yes, this really sucks. Talk about arbitrary and capricious. Let this also put to rest the notion that power sellers get special treatment, at least bronze power selllers. Just curious — how do pocketbooks being questioned for authenticity fit in with the VERO program? I thought VERO had to do with trademark stuff that companies register with eBay. How does someone prove or disprove the authenticity of such an item? I wonder how that incident was handled because sometimes I sell some designer stuff I know to be genuine but don’t have original documentation for. (In fact, I know of another seller who was falsely accused of selling fake Steve Madden shoes when the shoes were, in fact, Steve Maddens.) David
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Wait till you hear this one…. I put up for sale a Las Vegas Entertainent Book, that I bought on Ebay 2 weeks before. To my surprise it gets cancelled for VERO reasons. I ask for and get no explanation for 2 days, (others are selling currently). Today I get NARU’d for repeated VERO violations! In the past year I had 2 pocketbooks questioned for authenticity. One was OK’d the other pulled. I’m not a mass seller of fraudulent stuff, just a one at a time rep for different people. I am a Powerseller with over 560 pos. and only 3 negs. in over 2 years. Can you believe this? I had 40 items this week cancelled along with all this as well. We as sellers don’t have a real person to appeal to either. Only email and asking for reinstatement. This really sucks!! — Sinrod Stained Glass Studios www.sinrodstudios.com Coney Island Memories www.sinrodstudios.com/coneymemories Yes, this really sucks. Talk about arbitrary and capricious. Let this also put to rest the notion that power sellers get special treatment, at least bronze power selllers. Just curious — how do pocketbooks being questioned for authenticity fit in with the VERO program? I thought VERO had to do with trademark stuff that companies register with eBay. How does someone prove or disprove the authenticity of such an item? I wonder how that incident was handled because sometimes I sell some designer stuff I know to be genuine but don’t have original documentation for. (In fact, I know of another seller who was falsely accused of selling fake Steve Madden shoes when the shoes were, in fact, Steve Maddens.) David
Yeah I don’t understand? A legitimate product, what was wrong with listing it? Why is that any different than listing a magazine and taking a picture of it? or is selling a magazine not allowed now because it can get vero’d? It seems that a person should get a vero warning before something is removed to give honest sellers a chance to figure out what is wrong and correct it.
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Yeah I don’t understand? A legitimate product, what was wrong with listing it? Why is that any different than listing a magazine and taking a picture of it? or is selling a magazine not allowed now because it can get vero’d?
If you use their trademark in commerce, and they choose not to allow it, it’s not allowed.
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If you use their trademark in commerce, and they choose not to allow it, it’s not allowed.
whose trademark? and how was it used, by taking the picture of the cover of the entertainment book? could it have been sold where it wouldnt use the tradmark (such as not mentioning the company, but describing the book?) or taking a picture of half of the book? I don’t understand?
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Me, too. I never asked every company in the world to put their stupid name on everything they make. But if they do, and I want to (perfectly legally) sell the item — surely I’m allowed to show what it looks like? Bonita – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If you use their trademark in commerce, and they choose not to allow it, it’s not allowed. whose trademark? and how was it used, by taking the picture of the cover of the entertainment book? could it have been sold where it wouldnt use the tradmark (such as not mentioning the company, but describing the book?) or taking a picture of half of the book? I don’t understand?
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Furthermore you can sell an item innocently, and the item’s VERO rep can simply get the auction pulled, then get you NARU’d just by asking. The system stinks. I suspect that you don’t get NARUed for asking, it’s just a slightly delayed NARU from the original sale. It’s kind of interesting–eBay desperately wants the "only a venue" position, but they’re also quite keen for their sellers to take complete responsibility for provenance and saleability of all items. Deborah Stevenson
You don’t get NARU from one incident (well, unless it was Microsoft maybe). You can actually contest the VeRO claim, file a form, and the onus of proof is then on the VeRO member to sue your pants off to enforce their claim. The form essentially indemnifies eBay and gets them out of the middle. — Bill Shaw Email is munged with an obviously invalid domain. See http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2606.txt para. 3 if you need help figuring it out. alt.marketing.online.ebay FAQ can be found at http:/www.banneditems.com/amoefaq.html
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – VERO reasons this came up in another thread, what does vero mean? robert Verified Rights Owner, eBay’s program for protection of intellectual property rights. If someone registers with VeRO, and jumps through some hoops, they can effectively kill any auction that they claim is violating their IP rights. By doing it this way, the IP owners effectively have to police the site themselves, and eBay avoids any potential liability.
ahh, similar to copyright violation, or selling a bootlegg. thanks! robert
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… I am a Powerseller with over 560 pos. and only 3 negs. in over 2 years. Can you believe this? I had 40 items this week cancelled along with all this as well. We as sellers don’t have a real person to appeal to either. Only email and asking for reinstatement. This really sucks!! Thought even lowest level PSellers had phone support number? —
nope all we get is 24/7 "fast response" time and an icon. i think they lost points on the "fast" in this case. robert
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VERO reasons this came up in another thread, what does vero mean? robert Verified Rights Owner, eBay’s program for protection of intellectual property rights. If someone registers with VeRO, and jumps through some hoops, they can effectively kill any auction that they claim is violating their IP rights. By doing it this way, the IP owners effectively have to police the site themselves, and eBay avoids any potential liability.
Ok so say you make a really unique item that is tied to your name, you can register for this and if anyone tries to copy it and sell it, they can get in ttrouble? Loev, Ms Pants
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Wait till you hear this one…. I put up for sale a Las Vegas Entertainent Book, that I bought on Ebay 2 weeks before. To my surprise it gets cancelled for VERO reasons. I ask for and get no explanation for 2 days, (others are selling currently). Today I get NARU’d for repeated VERO violations! Were those items in violations of eBay’s new travel policy, where only verified travel agents can sell certain items? In the past year I had 2 pocketbooks questioned for authenticity. One was OK’d the other pulled. I’m not a mass seller of fraudulent stuff, just a one at a time rep for different people. I am a Powerseller with over 560 pos. and only 3 negs. in over 2 years. Can you believe this? I had 40 items this week cancelled along with all this as well. We as sellers don’t have a real person to appeal to either. Only email and asking for reinstatement. This really sucks!! 40 items cancelled? They weren’t all Las Vegas entertainment books, then? Kris NO no no…. just my regular assortment of various junk. The book was just the one I myself bought. When you are NARU’d I’m asuming that all your current auctions are cancelled?
Yes, when you are NARU’d the show is OVER…everything is pulled and you are out of business for at least 30 calendar days. I know… Howard Lute kell — Friend, Howard Lute -kell- eBay Rating: 1400 LPFM Page: http://home.att.net/~optcamel/fmradio.htm
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – … I am a Powerseller with over 560 pos. and only 3 negs. in over 2 years. Can you believe this? I had 40 items this week cancelled along with all this as well. We as sellers don’t have a real person to appeal to either. Only email and asking for reinstatement. This really sucks!! Thought even lowest level PSellers had phone support number? — nope all we get is 24/7 "fast response" time and an icon. i think they lost points on the "fast" in this case. robert
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