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Thanks for all the quick replies. The bidder has a 0 feedback rating. I am definitely going to leave negative feedback but along the lines of ‘Minor child made bid and reneged’. Of course I’m also going to file the NPB and the credit thing.
Nothing in the first post indicated the son was a minor–coulda been a kid bummiong around home from college, between jobs, etc. If a minor, the parent is responsible for the actions in most states, and should pay up or get negged. If an adult son, the account holder is still responsible for what goes on, but no complaint to safe harbor about a minor using the account. — If you’re interested in discussing possible creation of a new online auction newsgroup, please see the thread entitled "RFD: misc.business. online-auctions.discuss", currently posted in news.groups. Thank you! It also appears in RCC and alt.marketing.online.ebay
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You can set up different user account with IE also with each having their own passwords. Kimberly – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – as for the password, I have my MIE set to remember passwords, so anyone in MY HOME with access to MY computer could access my e-bay account. I dunno how the broken IE browser handles it, but Netscape has individual user accounts. You only remember the password to your account, and no one else can use the account at all. They can use Netscape, but only with a different user account. It’s not the seller’s fault that you do not properly secure your machine. — If you’re interested in discussing possible creation of a new online auction newsgroup, please see the thread entitled "RFD: misc.business. online-auctions.discuss", currently posted in news.groups. Thank you! It also appears in RCC and alt.marketing.online.ebay
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What I do in these cases is offer the inadvertent deadbeat the option of a complete make good: Listing fee & FVF. If they make good then no feedback. If they don’t I explain that I will have to claim with eBay for the FVF credit and quote from some of eBay’s material about the process. This technique will crack everyone who is crackable, but some people are just not. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just had the winning bidder on one of my items email to say that his son bid on these items and has no way of paying. What kind of feedback should I leave (if any?). Negative feedback and a complaint to safeharbor that the account is being used by a minor(?–not stated), in violation of terms. Why should you be stuck and have to go through the rigamarole of getting fees back, etc, because someone else is not doing their parental duty of keeping an eye on unauthorized use of their account? — If you’re interested in discussing possible creation of a new online auction newsgroup, please see the thread entitled "RFD: misc.business. online-auctions.discuss", currently posted in news.groups. Thank you! It also appears in RCC and alt.marketing.online.ebay
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Just had the winning bidder on one of my items email to say that his son bid on these items and has no way of paying. What kind of feedback should I leave (if any?).
Negative feedback and a complaint to safeharbor that the account is being used by a minor(?–not stated), in violation of terms. Why should you be stuck and have to go through the rigamarole of getting fees back, etc, because someone else is not doing their parental duty of keeping an eye on unauthorized use of their account? — If you’re interested in discussing possible creation of a new online auction newsgroup, please see the thread entitled "RFD: misc.business. online-auctions.discuss", currently posted in news.groups. Thank you! It also appears in RCC and alt.marketing.online.ebay
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as for the password, I have my MIE set to remember passwords, so anyone in MY HOME with access to MY computer could access my e-bay account.
I dunno how the broken IE browser handles it, but Netscape has individual user accounts. You only remember the password to your account, and no one else can use the account at all. They can use Netscape, but only with a different user account. It’s not the seller’s fault that you do not properly secure your machine. — If you’re interested in discussing possible creation of a new online auction newsgroup, please see the thread entitled "RFD: misc.business. online-auctions.discuss", currently posted in news.groups. Thank you! It also appears in RCC and alt.marketing.online.ebay
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I was just clarifying that it could indeed have been his son, since you stated he would have to know the password. I am not even going to respond to who has the responsibility of their children since that is a mute point. Just stating that it may be possible that the kid got on his parent’s account.
I could have been possible. The fact still remains that the person who didn’t secure the account info is still responsible for the bid, and deserves a negative. If an employee closes the shop and places a note on the front door that the key is under the planter, it doesn’t matter who broke in, the employee is responsible, and will probably be fired. — If you’re interested in discussing possible creation of a new online auction newsgroup, please see the thread entitled "RFD: misc.business. online-auctions.discuss", currently posted in news.groups. Thank you! It also appears in RCC and alt.marketing.online.ebay
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I was specifically addressing one line in your email which states: If he claims it was his account that his son was bidding under, I’d still leave a negative, because I wouldn’t believe it. First, the son has to have his password.
I was just clarifying that it could indeed have been his son, since you stated he would have to know the password. I am not even going to respond to who has the responsibility of their children since that is a mute point. Just stating that it may be possible that the kid got on his parent’s account. Regards, Ruth – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – But if you set your computer up that way, and have kids around the house who have access to your computer, who’s responsibility is it? If your kids went out and threw a rock through the neighbors window, and the kids had absolutely no way to pay for it, the neighbor (at least in most states) is going to look to you for the damages, and in this case I think it’s a similar situation. If your children used your computer to bid on your auctions, and were able to do so through your negligence, I think you’d be responsible. If your way to handle the situation was to tell the injured party, sorry, my kid did it, then I think you’d deserve a negative. I’m not saying that’s the way you’d behave, but it is the way the parent did in the original poster’s comment. Richard Ward as for the password, I have my MIE set to remember passwords, so anyone in MY HOME with access to MY computer could access my e-bay account. Ruth Depends. If the account is his sons, and his son is a minor, send the correspondence to safeharbor and get the account cancelled, then leave a negative. If he claims it was his account that his son was bidding under, I’d still leave a negative, because I wouldn’t believe it. First, the son has to have his password. Second, the son has to be so totally brain dead that he wouldn’t figure out that he’d be immediately caught. I’d send an NPB, then file for FVF and leave a negative regardless. I tend to wait a long time before resorting to this route with customers, but this sounds like a scam to me. Richard Ward Hi there, Just had the winning bidder on one of my items email to say that his son bid on these items and has no way of paying. What kind of feedback should I leave (if any?). Thanks, Nick Before you buy. — Ruth Berry Signature Images http://www.berryimages.com
– Ruth Berry Signature Images http://www.berryimages.com
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with new Folger’s Crystals. Let’s see if anyone notices: I was just clarifying that it could indeed have been his son, since you stated he would have to know the password. I am not even going to respond to who has the responsibility of their children since that is a mute point. Just stating that it may be possible that the kid got on his parent’s account.
A mute point? does that mean you don’t want to talk about it anymore? Alby’s Law: Some days are actually worth the trouble of waking up. Corollaries: 1. This is not one of those days. 2. If it chances to be, see Corollary 1.
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Hi there, Just had the winning bidder on one of my items email to say that his son bid on these items and has no way of paying. What kind of feedback should I leave (if any?). Thanks, Nick Before you buy.
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Hi there, Just had the winning bidder on one of my items email to say that his son bid on these items and has no way of paying. What kind of feedback should I leave (if any?). Thanks, Nick
If you believe him, I would not leave any feedback. Maybe he will keep the kid off the computer. I sell a lot of comics and that happens to me from time to time – comes with the territory. John
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Depends. If the account is his sons, and his son is a minor, send the correspondence to safeharbor and get the account cancelled, then leave a negative. If he claims it was his account that his son was bidding under, I’d still leave a negative, because I wouldn’t believe it. First, the son has to have his password. Second, the son has to be so totally brain dead that he wouldn’t figure out that he’d be immediately caught. I’d send an NPB, then file for FVF and leave a negative regardless. I tend to wait a long time before resorting to this route with customers, but this sounds like a scam to me. Richard Ward – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi there, Just had the winning bidder on one of my items email to say that his son bid on these items and has no way of paying. What kind of feedback should I leave (if any?). Thanks, Nick Before you buy.
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Hi there, Just had the winning bidder on one of my items email to say that his son bid on these items and has no way of paying. What kind of feedback should I leave (if any?). Thanks, Nick
Well, I’m a hardass, so I’d neg him. The parents are really supposed to be responsible for the kid. Bill Funk bfunk1 on Ebay
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Hi there, Just had the winning bidder on one of my items email to say that his son bid on these items and has no way of paying. What kind of feedback should I leave (if any?).
I would first check and see if your item (and perhaps other recent bids) seem unusual for the pattern of buying on this account. Does it look like a child got ahold of the account? Then I would consider a carefully worded neutral to the effect of "minor child of account holder reneged on bids", so he won’t get to use the excuse again. Dawn — Batgirl was a Librarian, too! http://www.RedDawn.net/ anti-spam reply: dduperault (at) aol.com
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Negative! Mom/Dad are responsible for supervising their kid.
: Hi there, : Just had the winning bidder on one of my items email to say that his : son bid on these items and has no way of paying. What kind of feedback : should I leave (if any?). : : Thanks, : Nick : : : Before you buy.
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I agree with you Bill. Parents are responsible for their children. Also, if one of my kids did that (although they don’t know my eBay password), when I was yelling at them for doing it, I could point to the neg and let them see the consequences of what they did. Then I’d make them feel the consequences of what they did by making them clean the basement. Hm, I really need my basement cleaned, time for one of the kids to get in trouble. ;-) Rhonda
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as for the password, I have my MIE set to remember passwords, so anyone in MY HOME with access to MY computer could access my e-bay account. Ruth – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Depends. If the account is his sons, and his son is a minor, send the correspondence to safeharbor and get the account cancelled, then leave a negative. If he claims it was his account that his son was bidding under, I’d still leave a negative, because I wouldn’t believe it. First, the son has to have his password. Second, the son has to be so totally brain dead that he wouldn’t figure out that he’d be immediately caught. I’d send an NPB, then file for FVF and leave a negative regardless. I tend to wait a long time before resorting to this route with customers, but this sounds like a scam to me. Richard Ward Hi there, Just had the winning bidder on one of my items email to say that his son bid on these items and has no way of paying. What kind of feedback should I leave (if any?). Thanks, Nick Before you buy.
– Ruth Berry Signature Images http://www.berryimages.com
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Hmmm. It would be my basement, my garage and probably my car 
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I agree with you Bill. Parents are responsible for their children. Also, if one of my kids did that (although they don’t know my eBay password), when I was yelling at them for doing it, I could point to the neg and let them see the consequences of what they did. Then I’d make them feel the consequences of what they did by making them clean the basement. Hm, I really need my basement cleaned, time for one of the kids to get in trouble. ;-) Rhonda
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Thanks for all the quick replies. The bidder has a 0 feedback rating. I am definitely going to leave negative feedback but along the lines of ‘Minor child made bid and reneged’. Of course I’m also going to file the NPB and the credit thing. This is my first non-paying bidder and hopefully the last. However, I just got a Sony PS2 today that I’m planning to auction. Wish me luck, apparently these items are magnets for NPBs. Cheers, Nick Before you buy.
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But if you set your computer up that way, and have kids around the house who have access to your computer, who’s responsibility is it? If your kids went out and threw a rock through the neighbors window, and the kids had absolutely no way to pay for it, the neighbor (at least in most states) is going to look to you for the damages, and in this case I think it’s a similar situation. If your children used your computer to bid on your auctions, and were able to do so through your negligence, I think you’d be responsible. If your way to handle the situation was to tell the injured party, sorry, my kid did it, then I think you’d deserve a negative. I’m not saying that’s the way you’d behave, but it is the way the parent did in the original poster’s comment. Richard Ward – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – as for the password, I have my MIE set to remember passwords, so anyone in MY HOME with access to MY computer could access my e-bay account. Ruth Depends. If the account is his sons, and his son is a minor, send the correspondence to safeharbor and get the account cancelled, then leave a negative. If he claims it was his account that his son was bidding under, I’d still leave a negative, because I wouldn’t believe it. First, the son has to have his password. Second, the son has to be so totally brain dead that he wouldn’t figure out that he’d be immediately caught. I’d send an NPB, then file for FVF and leave a negative regardless. I tend to wait a long time before resorting to this route with customers, but this sounds like a scam to me. Richard Ward Hi there, Just had the winning bidder on one of my items email to say that his son bid on these items and has no way of paying. What kind of feedback should I leave (if any?). Thanks, Nick Before you buy. — Ruth Berry Signature Images http://www.berryimages.com
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