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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – HOW DO YOU THINK WALMART MAKES SO MUCH $$$$$$ By importing everything from China and selling it below market value so <chuckle Rita, almost *everything* that can be shipped economically is made in China now. Or if not China, then Malaysia, Indonesia, Taiwan, the Philippines, etc. You want to sell good old American-made TVs, radios, toasters or coffeemakers? Where you gonna get ‘em? Check out those good old American brand names like RCA, Emerson, GE, etc. and then look on the box to see where the product was made. As for "selling it below market value," what on earth do you think market value *is*? It’s what the product will sell for. No more and no less. stupid and greedy Americans can watch their dollars and jobs sail overseas. You can blame stupid and greedy American unions for most of that. === Really? And the CEO’s? === What about ‘em? GM’s CEO’s salary and perks aren’t what have GM at the brink of bankruptcy. There’s only one of him. If they paid him nothing at all, or ten times as much, it would not change GM’s financial situation a particle. Union-demanded wage increases, health care and pension costs are what have put the company on the brink. So now a dozen plants will close and 30,000 workers will be laid off. And that may still be not enough to save GM from bankruptcy. Meanwhile, the Japanese companies with their American workers in American plants and NO UNIONS are doing very well, their workers are happy and they aren’t getting hit with massive plant closings and layoffs. All of which is very unfortunate. I like American cars. My present one is a 2005 Chevy Malibu and I love it. The question is, in five or ten years will I even be able to buy an American car, or will they have gone the way of American-made TVs and toasters? Neil
Even american cars parts are made outside the usa…so buying american really isn’t do so if ya think about it. Tina
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – [ . . . [ stupid and greedy Americans can watch their dollars and jobs sail overseas. You can blame stupid and greedy American unions for most of that. === Really? And the CEO's? === What about 'em? GM's CEO's salary and perks aren't what have GM at the brink of bankruptcy. There's only one of him. If they paid him nothing at all, or ten times as much, it would not change GM's financial situation a particle. Union-demanded wage increases, health care and pension costs are what have put the company on the brink. So now a dozen plants will close and 30,000 workers will be laid off. And that may still be not enough to save GM from bankruptcy. Meanwhile, the Japanese companies with their American workers in American plants and NO UNIONS are doing very well, their workers are happy and they aren't getting hit with massive plant closings and layoffs. All of which is very unfortunate. I like American cars. My present one is a 2005 Chevy Malibu and I love it. The question is, in five or ten years will I even be able to buy an American car, or will they have gone the way of American-made TVs and toasters? Neil Even american cars parts are made outside the usa...so buying american really isn't do so if ya think about it.
Parts are made all over, some of them outside the U.S., sure. That's why they call where cars are made assembly plants. We live in a multinational world. There's still a lot more American content in an American-made car than there is in, say, an American-made computer. I build computers as a hobby, and I don't think I've ever seen even a single American-made part. How different is that from a Dell, Gateway, etc. computer? Neil
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There's still a lot more American content in an American-made car than there is in, say, an American-made computer. I build computers as a hobby, and I don't think I've ever seen even a single American-made part. How different is that from a Dell, Gateway, etc. computer? Neil
The dice inside many of the high-end chips are made in the US. They are often packaged elsewhere (so they might say Philippines or Malaysia), but the critical work is often done in the US. Best regards, Spehro Pefhany -- "it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward" Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com
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- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text - It depends on who sets the market price. Just because Wal-Mart has an unfair advantage in the market doesn't mean their prices are "market value". Why not? What "unfair advantage"? If you mean because they're a huge corporation their sales volume gets them wholesale prices lower than many of their competitors, well, that's true, but how is it "unfair"? It's always the case that if you buy items 10,000 at a time you can get 'em at a much better price than if you buy only a few or even a few hundred at a time. Does this put the smaller business at a price disadvantage? Of course. Is it "unfair"? Hardly. It's the basic economics of business. Agreed that much of Walmart's success has been due to tight inventory control & volume purchasing, but Hint - Walmart gains a significant advantage by paying minimal wages / minimal heath care / minimal benefits - especially in the grocery trade.
Funny, but I've never heard that the local grocery chains here - Publix, Winn Dixie, Albertson's - pay cashiers and stockboys anything more than minimum wage. Who's raking in the bucks and getting benefits in the grocery store trade? I've never heard that there's a backlog of applications from Walmart employees to move to jobs in the lucrative chain grocery store field. I think that Southland Corporation (7/11 stores) pays their help a few cents an hour more than Walmart does, but 7/11 clerks don't get paid for time off the job recuperating from bullet wounds. Are these underpaid Walmart employees scanning the ads every day to see if there's an opening at McDonalds and Burger King to see if they can move up the salary and benefit ladder? If you feel that Walmart is taking advantage of people by paying them minimal wages and offering minimal benefits, who are you comparing them to? -- Tony Cooper Orlando, FL
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- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text - It depends on who sets the market price. Just because Wal-Mart has an unfair advantage in the market doesn't mean their prices are "market value". Why not? What "unfair advantage"? If you mean because they're a huge corporation their sales volume gets them wholesale prices lower than many of their competitors, well, that's true, but how is it "unfair"? It's always the case that if you buy items 10,000 at a time you can get 'em at a much better price than if you buy only a few or even a few hundred at a time. Does this put the smaller business at a price disadvantage? Of course. Is it "unfair"? Hardly. It's the basic economics of business.
Agreed that much of Walmart's success has been due to tight inventory control & volume purchasing, but Hint - Walmart gains a significant advantage by paying minimal wages / minimal heath care / minimal benefits - especially in the grocery trade.
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I don't have any problems with American cars, and I've been driving 'em a long, long time. Do you?
Not any longer. Too many bad experiences with GM, Ford & Chrysler - especially GM. Or are you one of those people who just believe on faith that Japanese cars must be better, so buy only Japanese--and then complain about "stupid and greedy Americans [watching] their dollars and jobs sail overseas"? Everyone I know who complains about the loss of American jobs and balance of trade, drives a Japanese car. That there might be some connection never seems to occur to them. Neil
Obviously you’ve not owned or perhaps not even driven such Japanese cars (many of which contain mostly US, or at least North American parts & labor). Personally, I can’t afford so-called US cars. They are way too expensive on a per mile basis, never mind the typically reduced service. Hint – 200k miles is now the least I expect from my cars, never mind the typically improved ride & reduced maintenance of most "Japanese" cars.
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Nevertheless, we do produce some damn good cars. Some assembly plants do better work than others, but most I think do a better job now than they did 30 to 50 years ago, when sloppy workmanship was so common in American cars that they became a standing joke. Really? We might *assemble* some damn good cars, but we don’t "produce" any.
Assembly *is* production. The majority of parts that it takes to assemble a car here are produced in Canada, Mexico, and every other third world country.
I don’t think so. Engines and transmissions are made here I think, at least for the most part. So is the sheet metal. So is the suspension. Some smaller parts like wiring harness may be made in Mexico, etc., and of course the car’s electronics contain parts from here and there in southeast Asia. But I believe practically all of the big parts are made are, maybe some of them in Canada. I’d have to see a some authoritative cite about "the majority of parts" being made elsewhere before I’d believe it. Neil
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – stupid and greedy Americans can watch their dollars and jobs sail overseas. You can blame stupid and greedy American unions for most of that. === Really? And the CEO’s? === What about ‘em? GM’s CEO’s salary and perks aren’t what have GM at the brink of bankruptcy. There’s only one of him. If they paid him nothing at all, or ten times as much, it would not change GM’s financial situation a particle. ==== Well, how about if they built better cars? Would that do it? ==== I don’t have any problems with American cars, and I’ve been driving ‘em a long, long time. Do you?
=== Actually, I drive a GM–2001 Olds Silhouette. It’s a beauty! Heated and vented leather seats, front and side airbags, OnStar (of course), traction control, anti-lock brakes, power sliding door, front & rear air, heat and stereo, and an integrated air compressor for inflating anything that needs inflating. The van holds it own quite well in comparison to the Toyota Sienna and Honda Odyessy (other than in offset frontal crash ratings) which have their own trouble histories. I don’t need to worry about resale value because my van has about 41k miles on it, is paid for and I plan to keep it for at least 150k. Make no mistake about it–I love my Silhouette, and the infamous faulty head gasket that GM refuses to recall has already been replaced and there has been no damage due to its failure. Those faulty head gaskets have caused a significant loss of GM’s customer base in the last 5 years or so. So, blaming labor for GM’s failure is a far too simplistic assertion. === Or are you one of those people who just believe on faith that Japanese cars must be better, so buy only Japanese–and then complain about "stupid and greedy Americans [watching] their dollars and jobs sail overseas"? Everyone I know who complains about the loss of American jobs and balance of trade, drives a Japanese car.
=== Well, now you know someone who complains and doesn’t. === ===
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HOW DO YOU THINK WALMART MAKES SO MUCH $$$$$$ By importing everything from China and selling it below market value so stupid and greedy Americans can watch their dollars and jobs sail overseas.
Stupid and greedy whatevers make such statements. What do you know about the market? Nothing. There is one way to level the playing field. Take all the fake environmentalists and union liberals and put them in a closet. THEN whatever requirements are placed on American industry by those people ALSO be required for ANY IMPORT. Does it make you wonder why we are purposely put in a non-competitive situation? Are they stupid or are they trying to kill America?
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – HOW DO YOU THINK WALMART MAKES SO MUCH $$$$$$ By importing everything from China and selling it below market value so <chuckle Rita, almost *everything* that can be shipped economically is made in China now. Or if not China, then Malaysia, Indonesia, Taiwan, the Philippines, etc. You want to sell good old American-made TVs, radios, toasters or coffeemakers? Where you gonna get ‘em? Check out those good old American brand names like RCA, Emerson, GE, etc. and then look on the box to see where the product was made. As for "selling it below market value," what on earth do you think market value *is*? It’s what the product will sell for. No more and no less. stupid and greedy Americans can watch their dollars and jobs sail overseas. You can blame stupid and greedy American unions for most of that. === Really? And the CEO’s? === What about ‘em? GM’s CEO’s salary and perks aren’t what have GM at the brink of bankruptcy. There’s only one of him. If they paid him nothing at all, or ten times as much, it would not change GM’s financial situation a particle.
==== Well, how about if they built better cars? Would that do it? ====
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Rita, almost *everything* that can be shipped economically is made in China now. Or if not China, then Malaysia, Indonesia, Taiwan, the Philippines, etc. You want to sell good old American-made TVs, radios, toasters or coffeemakers? Where you gonna get ‘em? Check out those good old American brand names like RCA, Emerson, GE, etc. and then look on the box to see where the product was made. Yep! I understand that. But, really, would you want to own something that solely was designed and manufactured in the US by mostly substandard, lazy, and uneducated workers that don’t give a rat’s ass about anything? We simply can’t compete on the world stage! Sadly, the only option is buying imports.
Not necessarily. I’ll be the first to agree that some American cars have been shoddily made, and yes, you’re exactly right about the workers’ attitudes being responsible for this. Those attitudes are themselves largely the result of union efforts. Union bosses have to keep members convinced that they’re being ill-treated, underpaid and variously abused by management. (Why else would they need a union, really?) I have seen this over and over where I worked and elsewhere. One predictable result is workers’ distrust and resentment of management, leading to a general sullenness about the job and so on. This does not tend to produce pride in workmanship or product. Nevertheless, we do produce some damn good cars. Some assembly plants do better work than others, but most I think do a better job now than they did 30 to 50 years ago, when sloppy workmanship was so common in American cars that they became a standing joke. I bought a new Mercury in 1957 and had the handle come off in my hand when I closed a vent window (the car was about two days old, I think). I bought a new Ford in 1972 and the first time it rained and I turned on the wipers, they made about three strokes and stopped dead (in a heavy rain) because a bolt fell out of the wiper linkage. These sorts of things are not confidence-inspiring. But they were not typical of all American cars, either. In those days I bought a new car usually every two years, and most of them were just fine. I also had a few German, English and Japanese cars and some of them were troublesome too. For about the last 25 years I’ve bought American cars, and generally speaking they’ve been okay. One did have a paint job that went bad (covered by warranty), and another had a troublesome cooling system. But those I’ve owned over the last 10 or 12 years have had no problems of any kind. A friend of mine on the other hand buys only Japanese cars, and he has loads of problems with them. At one time both his car and his wife’s (both Japanese) were crapped out. I’m not saying this is because Japanese cars are bad; on the contrary I think they’re generally very good, but my friend always buys his used and with lots of mileage on them–he thinks because they’re Japanese they’ll run fine forever, and continues to believe this even when they repeatedly crap out. A neighbor of mine on the other hand (how many hands is that so far?) recently traded in his ‘91 Chevy, a little four-cylinder shitbox with 265,000 miles on it. He’d had only minimal problems with it; once it needed a new water pump and that sort of thing. As for "selling it below market value," what on earth do you think market value *is*? It’s what the product will sell for. No more and no less. It depends on who sets the market price. Just because Wal-Mart has an unfair advantage in the market doesn’t mean their prices are "market value".
Why not? What "unfair advantage"? If you mean because they’re a huge corporation their sales volume gets them wholesale prices lower than many of their competitors, well, that’s true, but how is it "unfair"? It’s always the case that if you buy items 10,000 at a time you can get ‘em at a much better price than if you buy only a few or even a few hundred at a time. Does this put the smaller business at a price disadvantage? Of course. Is it "unfair"? Hardly. It’s the basic economics of business. stupid and greedy Americans can watch their dollars and jobs sail overseas. You can blame stupid and greedy American unions for most of that. General Motors is on the verge of bankruptcy, with Ford probably not far behind. Care to guess why? Yep! I can blame the unions and the greedy Americans union workers that allowed them to flourish and to strong-arm business for greed. Most of these lazy asses don’t know what an honest days work is. The younger ones will get slapped in the face with reality soon enough.
We’re in complete agreement there. Meanwhile, Japanese manufacturers like Toyota and Honda are making cars right here in the U.S., with American workers, making lots of money, and they don’t have any of GM’s financial woes. Care to guess why not? We’ll see where this leads in a decade. I don’t think you will have as rosy a picture about it then as you do now. Keep buying imported goods and sending money and jobs there.
Again, I *don’t* buy imported goods in the one area where I actually have a choice: the automobile. In most other areas I don’t have a real choice. Like other consumers I shop for best value. When I buy clothes, this almost invariably means buying an imported product. For cameras, likewise. We have not been able to produce a competitive mass-market or professional camera in the U.S. for generations, except maybe for those cheap single-use things. Kodak still sells real cameras but they’re made overseas. The same thing with any electronics goods. As far as I know there hasn’t been an American-made TV, radio or stereo system for decades. Those jobs and in fact those entire industries are just gone. And they’re not coming back. Neil
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – HOW DO YOU THINK WALMART MAKES SO MUCH $$$$$$ By importing everything from China and selling it below market value so <chuckle Rita, almost *everything* that can be shipped economically is made in China now. Or if not China, then Malaysia, Indonesia, Taiwan, the Philippines, etc. You want to sell good old American-made TVs, radios, toasters or coffeemakers? Where you gonna get ‘em? Check out those good old American brand names like RCA, Emerson, GE, etc. and then look on the box to see where the product was made. As for "selling it below market value," what on earth do you think market value *is*? It’s what the product will sell for. No more and no less. stupid and greedy Americans can watch their dollars and jobs sail overseas. You can blame stupid and greedy American unions for most of that. === Really? And the CEO’s? === What about ‘em? GM’s CEO’s salary and perks aren’t what have GM at the brink of bankruptcy. There’s only one of him. If they paid him nothing at all, or ten times as much, it would not change GM’s financial situation a particle. ==== Well, how about if they built better cars? Would that do it? ====
I don’t have any problems with American cars, and I’ve been driving ‘em a long, long time. Do you? Or are you one of those people who just believe on faith that Japanese cars must be better, so buy only Japanese–and then complain about "stupid and greedy Americans [watching] their dollars and jobs sail overseas"? Everyone I know who complains about the loss of American jobs and balance of trade, drives a Japanese car. That there might be some connection never seems to occur to them. Neil
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GM’s CEO’s salary and perks aren’t what have GM at the brink of bankruptcy. There’s only one of him. If they paid him nothing at all, or ten times as much, it would not change GM’s financial situation a particle. ==== Well, how about if they built better cars? Would that do it? ====
I believe American built cars (if there is such a thing anymore) are better built than they were 10 years ago … but wages have still gone up, insurance costs have gone up … everything has gone up including the price of the car, but profits have plummetted. Why? GM used to make a fortune on financing. They still do but not nearly the fortune they used to … and a lot of that money goes to support other things … like "employee pricing" strategies to get people to buy the cars … otherwise no one would buy them. In other words, I believe it costs too much to make a car so they have to give them away to make people buy them.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well, how about if they built better cars? Would that do it? Who? We are Americans we can’t build better anything. I really hate saying this, but Michael Moore would agree with me. Rita
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – HOW DO YOU THINK WALMART MAKES SO MUCH $$$$$$ By importing everything from China and selling it below market value so <chuckle Rita, almost *everything* that can be shipped economically is made in China now. Or if not China, then Malaysia, Indonesia, Taiwan, the Philippines, etc. You want to sell good old American-made TVs, radios, toasters or coffeemakers? Where you gonna get ‘em? Check out those good old American brand names like RCA, Emerson, GE, etc. and then look on the box to see where the product was made. As for "selling it below market value," what on earth do you think market value *is*? It’s what the product will sell for. No more and no less. stupid and greedy Americans can watch their dollars and jobs sail overseas. You can blame stupid and greedy American unions for most of that. === Really? And the CEO’s? ===
What about ‘em? GM’s CEO’s salary and perks aren’t what have GM at the brink of bankruptcy. There’s only one of him. If they paid him nothing at all, or ten times as much, it would not change GM’s financial situation a particle. Union-demanded wage increases, health care and pension costs are what have put the company on the brink. So now a dozen plants will close and 30,000 workers will be laid off. And that may still be not enough to save GM from bankruptcy. Meanwhile, the Japanese companies with their American workers in American plants and NO UNIONS are doing very well, their workers are happy and they aren’t getting hit with massive plant closings and layoffs. All of which is very unfortunate. I like American cars. My present one is a 2005 Chevy Malibu and I love it. The question is, in five or ten years will I even be able to buy an American car, or will they have gone the way of American-made TVs and toasters? Neil
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HOW DO YOU THINK WALMART MAKES SO MUCH $$$$$$ By importing everything from China and selling it below market value so
<chuckle Rita, almost *everything* that can be shipped economically is made in China now. Or if not China, then Malaysia, Indonesia, Taiwan, the Philippines, etc. You want to sell good old American-made TVs, radios, toasters or coffeemakers? Where you gonna get ‘em? Check out those good old American brand names like RCA, Emerson, GE, etc. and then look on the box to see where the product was made. As for "selling it below market value," what on earth do you think market value *is*? It’s what the product will sell for. No more and no less. stupid and greedy Americans can watch their dollars and jobs sail overseas.
You can blame stupid and greedy American unions for most of that. General Motors is on the verge of bankruptcy, with Ford probably not far behind. Care to guess why? Meanwhile, Japanese manufacturers like Toyota and Honda are making cars right here in the U.S., with American workers, making lots of money, and they don’t have any of GM’s financial woes. Care to guess why not? Neil
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – HOW DO YOU THINK WALMART MAKES SO MUCH $$$$$$ By importing everything from China and selling it below market value so <chuckle Rita, almost *everything* that can be shipped economically is made in China now. Or if not China, then Malaysia, Indonesia, Taiwan, the Philippines, etc. You want to sell good old American-made TVs, radios, toasters or coffeemakers? Where you gonna get ‘em? Check out those good old American brand names like RCA, Emerson, GE, etc. and then look on the box to see where the product was made. As for "selling it below market value," what on earth do you think market value *is*? It’s what the product will sell for. No more and no less. stupid and greedy Americans can watch their dollars and jobs sail overseas. You can blame stupid and greedy American unions for most of that.
=== Really? And the CEO’s? ===
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Let’s say that I spot a lot of 1,000 foobars at, say, $0.50 each. In lots of 10, foobars sell for $1.20 apiece. These are very standardized items with nothing questionable. Would it ever make any sense to buy the 1,000 lot and resell in 10 lots? Common sense suggests that such obvious profit opportunities are usually not particularly well paying, but I wonder if anyone tried something like that.
I think of it this way … if you have enough money to buy the original lot … and you have enough time to sell them singly or in lots of 10 … and they don’t go bad (barring floods and that kind of thing) … and you have the space to store them … I say go for it. If and when you sell them all, you’ll turn your $500 into $1200 (gross, of course). It’s not the largest amount of money anyone has ever made doing anything, but if you could make $700 on every investment you ever made, how many would you make? I’d make as many investments as I could. The question is, though, will anyone buy this item at $1.20? Are there millions selling them at $1.20 so your sales will be hit and miss? For instance … if you bought a bunch of DVD’s and tried to sell them on eBay, you’d probably do well, depending on how much you paid for them. The problem is that there are so many people selling DVD’s that unless someone is looking for a specific title, they won’t find your individual listing among the millions of DVD’s that are listed.
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Let’s say that I spot a lot of 1,000 foobars at, say, $0.50 each. In lots of 10, foobars sell for $1.20 apiece. These are very standardized items with nothing questionable. Would it ever make any sense to buy the 1,000 lot and resell in 10 lots? Common sense suggests that such obvious profit opportunities are usually not particularly well paying, but I wonder if anyone tried something like that. i
For me, it depends on the size of the foobars. If I could store them in my garage, I’d be good with that. Did you open a store? It seems like it would be easy to list and relist them, you can offer them in varying quantities, and keeping a small, cheap batch out on the main auction site might draw people into your store. A
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Let’s say that I spot a lot of 1,000 foobars at, say, $0.50 each. In lots of 10, foobars sell for $1.20 apiece. These are very standardized items with nothing questionable. Would it ever make any sense to buy the 1,000 lot and resell in 10 lots? Common sense suggests that such obvious profit opportunities are usually not particularly well paying, but I wonder if anyone tried something like that. i
HOW DO YOU THINK WALMART MAKES SO MUCH $$$$$$
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Let’s say that I spot a lot of 1,000 foobars at, say, $0.50 each. In lots of 10, foobars sell for $1.20 apiece. These are very standardized items with nothing questionable. Would it ever make any sense to buy the 1,000 lot and resell in 10 lots?
I’d rather buy two things for $250 each that I know would bring at least $600 each than piss around with 100 small sales. FVFs are a lot smaller that way, too.
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Common sense suggests that such obvious profit opportunities are usually not particularly well paying, but I wonder if anyone tried something like that.
I hear a lot of people end up with a garage full of mil spec bearings that way.
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Haha… I am actually optimistic about the bearings… They cost me very little and someone already is buying them by the pound… Not that I think that it is particularly profitable, but I do not think that I would lose money, only time.
I really think you should call up a local power transmission equipment distributor with the bearings. I used to work for one and with the name brands you have we would have worked out something.
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Let’s say that I spot a lot of 1,000 foobars at, say, $0.50 each. In lots of 10, foobars sell for $1.20 apiece. These are very standardized items with nothing questionable. Would it ever make any sense to buy the 1,000 lot and resell in 10 lots? Common sense suggests that such obvious profit opportunities are usually not particularly well paying, but I wonder if anyone tried something like that. i
Not with that narrow a price spread. Always seek out a 30:1 or higher sell/buy ratio. If they normally sell for $1.20 each in tens, a good eBay singles price would be thirty cents each, so you would not want to pay more than a penny each. http://www.tinaja.com/glib/ebaysell.pdf — Many thanks, Don Lancaster voice phone: (928)428-4073 Synergetics 3860 West First Street Box 809 Thatcher, AZ 85552 Please visit my GURU’s LAIR web site at http://www.tinaja.com
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