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You are confusing what I *actually* do, with my trying to find out the facts about Paypal. Learn the difference. All I can respond to is what you post. Until now you’ve given an impression that you either do, or support doing, something different than you describe below. I don’t know you outside of this discussion, so I can hardly be expected to know when you’re not being forthcoming about something.
"But since a thinking man would have transferred the funds to his own bank before shipping, you can tell them to go to hell. [...] Even better open a bank account to use with Penpal exclusively." It is called, a clue. I keep a .50 cent balance in Paypal and the bank account I registered with them has $1. It is not my primary account, but one that cost me absolutely nothing to maintain, and used only as a bank buffer. Now if you want to continue to discuss what the facts are with Penpal perhaps we can clarify what is that obtains. So you do basicly what I do. So why are you trying to argue with me about it. I just don’t get it. You don’t seem to have any point here. Is this a case of too much time and nothing constructive to do?
That you can’t follow the thread doesn’t make me incoherent. Sir, I was responding to a poster who wrote earlier in this thread: "Cash, yes. Paypal from an Indonesian buyer, hell no. They use a ripped off card number, you have money in your account (you think) and you ship guitar. Real CC account holder then finds out, money comes back out of your account (or worse, your back [sic] account gets frozen until it all gets straightened out), you start bouncing checks because you thought you had bucks there…it’s ugly." I questioned that Penpal has the power to freeze my bank account, and I still do. I also have not seen evidence in neither their user agreement nor any real case that they can get away with withdrawing money from a bank account without the permission of the account’s bearer. Now you can either address those points or try to abuse me, but only the former will be of any use to anyone here. Sure, but it’s totally off point from what I’ve been saying. I never said you couldn’t win a case against them. I only stated that it’d be far smarter to do what both of us do and simply avoid the issue. What part of this is too difficult for you to comprehend? Evidence must precede belief. I am neither for nor against Penpal but one must judge according to the evidence. So why exactly are you dragging this out with me?
Because you seem to take a position adversary to mine without presenting any evidence that what we are trying to avoid is actually happening. There is a difference between being cautious as we are by default and being cautions because we are dealing with a devious organization. It would be useful to find out if Penpal are actually doing what we fear they might do. Since you’ve provided no evidence of anything so far (except paypal’s own words which were never in dispute) you are doing a very poor job here.
Sir, the burden of proof is on the claimant. If someone claims that Penpal can freeze my bank account, it is up to them to show that it is so, not up to me. The same goes for any claims you or I make. Exactly. Which is also exactly what I’ve said and what you’ve appeared to be against up until now. I always love how you kids on the net want to constantly try so hard to sound profound, and usually go about it by constantly shifting points-of-view hoping those of us on the other end aren’t bright enough to notice. Now that you’ve admitted that my point of view is justified,
You have done no such thing. A gratuitous assertion can be just as gratuitously denied.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Agreed. I’d sell to anyone as long as I got their money first. If a check, let it clear the bank first and if paypal, transfer the money from your paypal account into your checking account before sending item. Cash, yes. Paypal from an Indonesian buyer, hell no. They use a ripped off card number, you have money in your account (you think) and you ship guitar. Real CC account holder then finds out, money comes back out of your account (or worse, your back account gets frozen until it all gets straightened out), you start bouncing checks because you thought you had bucks there…it’s ugly. PenPal can freeze your bank account? I think not. They can freeze your Penpal account at most. But since a thinking man would have transferred the funds to his own bank before shipping, you can tell them to go to hell. It is THEIR responsibility to provide secure transactions not yours. Even better open a bank account to use with Penpal exclusively. Yes, they can freeze your paypal bank account, but that is all. Personally, I never left any money to amount to anything in that account, but I definitely do not now with all the reports on the net of Paypal fraud. Simply transfer or withdraw the money out of your paypal account and make it Paypal’s problem and you will see them take a renewed interest in making sure transactions they accept are legit.
*SIGH* Read your user agreement with paypal. If you have a bank account linked to your paypal account, they can not only deposit money into your account but can take it out as well. Transferring to your bank and getting cash in hand doesn’t work unless you’ve got a separate accoutn for your paypal only deals and you keep no money in the account. This is the basis for most of the paypal horror stories you read about…people do squirrelly deals and then paypal puts a claim on money in the person’s bank account. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Bobby
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This is the exact same logic on why it’s best to only take certain kinds of payment for internet deals (for example). Yes, if the other parties check bounces, you technically have legal recourse. However, it’s almost never practical to do anything about it, so why set yourself up. You seem like you’re out looking for a fight, rather than using a little common sense to keep yourself out of the situation where it’d occur.
You are confusing what I *actually* do, with my trying to find out the facts about Paypal. Learn the difference. I keep a .50 cent balance in Paypal and the bank account I registered with them has $1. It is not my primary account, but one that cost me absolutely nothing to maintain, and used only as a bank buffer. Now if you want to continue to discuss what the facts are with Penpal perhaps we can clarify what is that obtains. For a start, it would be good if you pointed out what passage of their user agreement gives them a blank check to one’s bank account. I already quoted the relevent part of the agreement where they unambiguously state that they will *NEVER* withdraw funds from one’s bank without one’s permission. That is no guarantee that they won’t, but it is a very good start towards having a case if they do. Evidence must precede belief. I am neither for nor against Penpal but one must judge according to the evidence. People may say many things. In my experience when one looks at the details, one finds often the case to be different from when one only listens to one party to the issue.
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You are confusing what I *actually* do, with my trying to find out the facts about Paypal. Learn the difference.
All I can respond to is what you post. Until now you’ve given an impression that you either do, or support doing, something different than you describe below. I don’t know you outside of this discussion, so I can hardly be expected to know when you’re not being forthcoming about something. I keep a .50 cent balance in Paypal and the bank account I registered with them has $1. It is not my primary account, but one that cost me absolutely nothing to maintain, and used only as a bank buffer. Now if you want to continue to discuss what the facts are with Penpal perhaps we can clarify what is that obtains.
So you do basicly what I do. So why are you trying to argue with me about it. I just don’t get it. You don’t seem to have any point here. Is this a case of too much time and nothing constructive to do? For a start, it would be good if you pointed out what passage of their user agreement gives them a blank check to one’s bank account. I already quoted the relevent part of the agreement where they unambiguously state that they will *NEVER* withdraw funds from one’s bank without one’s permission.
I’ve never asserted that they state that. I’ve read the agreement too. That is no guarantee that they won’t, but it is a very good start towards having a case if they do.
Sure, but it’s totally off point from what I’ve been saying. I never said you couldn’t win a case against them. I only stated that it’d be far smarter to do what both of us do and simply avoid the issue. What part of this is too difficult for you to comprehend? Evidence must precede belief. I am neither for nor against Penpal but one must judge according to the evidence.
So why exactly are you dragging this out with me? Since you’ve provided no evidence of anything so far (except paypal’s own words which were never in dispute) you are doing a very poor job here. I at least provided something to back up a bit of my common sense paranoia approach to the whole thing. So far, you haven’t offered anything to support doing the same thing I do. I did some research. Perhaps you should try that yourself. It’s amazing what you can learn when you close your mouth and start doing some actual reading. People may say many things. In my experience when one looks at the details, one finds often the case to be different from when one only listens to one party to the issue.
Exactly. Which is also exactly what I’ve said and what you’ve appeared to be against up until now. I always love how you kids on the net want to constantly try so hard to sound profound, and usually go about it by constantly shifting points-of-view hoping those of us on the other end aren’t bright enough to notice. Now that you’ve admitted that my point of view is justified, I don’t see any reason to continue this…however I’m sure I’ll see something else from you on it. Ross
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PenPal can freeze your bank account? I think not. In theory, no. In reality, yes. If you have them linked to your bank account, they simply hit your bank account for the money to cover it. You can complain about it, but the truth is that you have very little recourse if you sold to someone with a stolen credit card. From Penpal’s User Agreement "PayPal will never make transfers from your bank account without your authorization."
I’ve read that. I’ve also heard of it happening to people. I suspect that you transfering money from them to your account somehow technically gives them authorization to take it back if there’s a charge-back (or similar). In any case, it has been reported a fair number of times that this has happened. Do I take all of those a face value? No. However, I don’t want to find out first hand that it’s possible. Descretion is the better part of valour here IMO. You give Penpal the right to setoff what you owe from your accounts, but I don’t think that extends to your bank account. Your bank would be at fault anyway to let anyone withdraw money without your consent.
You’re completely wrong here. Once you authorize someone to transfer to/from your bank, it’s a done deal. You don’t do anything special to make it happen after that. Your bank would have no way of knowing that you hadn’t authorized the transfer until after the fact. They would not be at fault and they would not refund the money to your account. That’d be your responsibility here. The question is whether is there a blanket authorization to draw from your bank is some small print.
It’s not small print. It’s exactly the same thing as doing direct bill payment from your bank. Once the paperwork is done, you never do anything special to ‘authorize’ a transfer from your bank to their bank. It’s all done remotely every month (or whatever time period you pay). If you have a problem with a billed (and subsequently paid amount), you have to deal with the company direct. Your bank holds no responsibility here. The same thing is true of paypal. The only real difference is that the payments don’t come on any set interval. Listen, you do whatever you want. Trust paypal with direct access to your main accounts if you wish. The odds are very heavily in your favor that everything will work out just fine. Personally, I don’t like to gamble, so I tilt the odds in my favor by doing a little leg work upfront to ensure that they don’t have access to anything substantial. (My bank certainly won’t transfer anything to them that isn’t in my account! 
) Ross
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It’s not small print. It’s exactly the same thing as doing direct bill payment from your bank. Once the paperwork is done, you never do anything special to ‘authorize’ a transfer from your bank to their bank. There must be explicit authorization on one’s part for anyone to withdraw funds from one’s bank.
Already established. That authorization can be on a per transaction basis, or by standing order where you set a recurrent payment.
According to people I know in banking, it doesn’t work this way. Perhaps ideally it would, but real world it doesn’t. You either authorize such things or you don’t. Trust me. I asked about this. I was told that there are two options: either shut off all withdraws (including personal checks, atm withdraws, etc.) or allow them. There’s no middle ground. Obviously, you have legal recourse if someone withdraws from your account funds that shouldn’t be withdrawn, but why set yourself up to go through all of that hassle. In either case, the bank does not have any responsibility and it’s totally up to you to go try to get your money back. Either way there is never a withdrawal without authorization. I grant that people may give such authorization inadvertently entering a process they don’t fully understand, but if when push comes to shove the withdrawer can’t show a valid authorization he has broken the law.
See above. I don’t know why you’re trying to argue with me about this. I’m hardly a paypal advocate. Tilt away at those windmills, if you must! Sure, it’s illegal for them to withdraw funds they don’t have a right too. However, under your user agreement with them, you agree to take all liability for any transaction not specificly covered by their seller protection plans. I suspect that the only one walking away with money if you go to court with them will be the lawyers. You’ll be out because they had a right to the money, in any event. That is not the question, I can burn all my money also, if I want to. The question is to establish whether Penpal withdraws from one’s bank without authorization, or by using a way that blurs that which should be crystal clear. If it does it is in direct contravention to their user agreement, which would offer an actionable legal foothold.
<shrug Why try to find a way to do legal action if they make off your money when it’s far more sensible to simply set something up similar to what I have. The whole legal thing sounds really good in and internet discussion, but is rarely worth the time, effort, and expense in the real world. This is the exact same logic on why it’s best to only take certain kinds of payment for internet deals (for example). Yes, if the other parties check bounces, you technically have legal recourse. However, it’s almost never practical to do anything about it, so why set yourself up. You seem like you’re out looking for a fight, rather than using a little common sense to keep yourself out of the situation where it’d occur. Unless you have something new to bring to the table. I’m done here. This has crossed my line of too much time and a frivolous topic. 
Ross
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – PenPal can freeze your bank account? I think not. In theory, no. In reality, yes. If you have them linked to your bank account, they simply hit your bank account for the money to cover it. You can complain about it, but the truth is that you have very little recourse if you sold to someone with a stolen credit card. From Penpal’s User Agreement "PayPal will never make transfers from your bank account without your authorization." I’ve read that. I’ve also heard of it happening to people. I suspect that you transfering money from them to your account somehow technically gives them authorization to take it back if there’s a charge-back (or similar). In any case, it has been reported a fair number of times that this has happened. Do I take all of those a face value? No. However, I don’t want to find out first hand that it’s possible. Descretion is the better part of valour here IMO. You give Penpal the right to setoff what you owe from your accounts, but I don’t think that extends to your bank account. Your bank would be at fault anyway to let anyone withdraw money without your consent. You’re completely wrong here. Once you authorize someone to transfer to/from your bank, it’s a done deal. You don’t do anything special to make it happen after that. Your bank would have no way of knowing that you hadn’t authorized the transfer until after the fact. They would not be at fault and they would not refund the money to your account. That’d be your responsibility here. The question is whether is there a blanket authorization to draw from your bank is some small print. It’s not small print. It’s exactly the same thing as doing direct bill payment from your bank. Once the paperwork is done, you never do anything special to ‘authorize’ a transfer from your bank to their bank.
There must be explicit authorization on one’s part for anyone to withdraw funds from one’s bank. That authorization can be on a per transaction basis, or by standing order where you set a recurrent payment. Either way there is never a withdrawal without authorization. I grant that people may give such authorization inadvertently entering a process they don’t fully understand, but if when push comes to shove the withdrawer can’t show a valid authorization he has broken the law. Listen, you do whatever you want.
That is not the question, I can burn all my money also, if I want to. The question is to establish whether Penpal withdraws from one’s bank without authorization, or by using a way that blurs that which should be crystal clear. If it does it is in direct contravention to their user agreement, which would offer an actionable legal foothold.
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PenPal can freeze your bank account? I think not. In theory, no. In reality, yes. If you have them linked to your bank account, they simply hit your bank account for the money to cover it. You can complain about it, but the truth is that you have very little recourse if you sold to someone with a stolen credit card.
From Penpal’s User Agreement "PayPal will never make transfers from your bank account without your authorization." You give Penpal the right to setoff what you owe from your accounts, but I don’t think that extends to your bank account. Your bank would be at fault anyway to let anyone withdraw money without your consent. The question is whether is there a blanket authorization to draw from your bank is some small print.
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PenPal can freeze your bank account? I think not. They can freeze your Penpal account at most. But since a thinking man would have transferred the funds to his own bank before shipping, you can tell them to go to hell. It is THEIR responsibility to provide secure transactions not yours. Even better open a bank account to use with Penpal exclusively.
Oh yes they can, provided you gave them the bank account number and clicked on the box saying you agreed to their Terms of Service. I found this out when a friend got burned. Check out www.paypalwarning.com and www.paypalsucks.com.
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PenPal can freeze your bank account? I think not.
In theory, no. In reality, yes. If you have them linked to your bank account, they simply hit your bank account for the money to cover it. You can complain about it, but the truth is that you have very little recourse if you sold to someone with a stolen credit card. They can freeze your Penpal account at most. But since a thinking man would have transferred the funds to his own bank before shipping, you can tell them to go to hell. It is THEIR responsibility to provide secure transactions not yours. Even better open a bank account to use with Penpal exclusively.
Actually, it’s not their responsibility. If you take payment from anything stolen, it is your responsibility. Technically the same would be true of stolen cash, but we all know that there’s no way to trace that. I agree 100% on an account to use strictly with paypal. I do this with my cash checking account. I always keep a little in there in case I need to hit an ATM, but otherwise everything gets transfered out of it into a different account. Ross
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I’m generally hesitant to deal with international sales at all as a private individual. Things are pretty easy to canada after Nafta, but shipping anywhere else is much more of a pain in the ass. Even Canada is much more hassle than hoboken or pismo beach. On a really special high-priced collector’s item I can see having international bidders, but on a regular guitar or amp there’s plenty of domestic buyers and you won’t lose money by not having international bidders. Also, for any international transaction I would insist on a cash or cash equivalent deal only, and buyer would assume all shipping/duty costs. If they ask you lie about the value of the item for customs purposes, run away…they’re asking you to break the law and if they’ll lie about that, they’re probably lying to you. As for Indonesia, HELL NO!!! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We sell on EBAY as well as our on-line store. EVERY on line order we have ever gotten from Indonesia (and we get at least one a week) has been a fraud. The Indonesian government doesn’t prosecute for such laws being broken as far as internet fraud goes. Any guy that can hack over there can make his way into sites and pull Credit Card numbers and use them for whatever. Even if they succeed 2% of the time, they are still getting over. I always send e-mails asking them to send a Money Order/Cashiers Check/ or Bank Transfer and they never can, or try to say that the person in the states whose card they are using said it was OK. They will also submit a legit billing address, which is even scarier. We put on our EBAY Auctions NO ORDERS FROM INDONESIA and it still doesn’t discourage them from trying anyway. My suggestion is to NEVER under any circumstances sell to Indonesia — Good Luck, Dave at Indoor Storm http://www.indoorstorm.com 2300 Westinghouse Blvd. Suite 110 Raleigh, NC 27604 877-319-8473 ext. 2# I am selling a guitar in Ebay and keep getting this emails from Indonesia in marginal English from people who want to get my guitar. What’s the catch? As I see many guitar sellers say explicitly that they won’t deal with offers from Indonesia there may be a royal scam going on. Any ideas?
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I know I have read in the fine print on some auctions that I have looked at and there is usually a note stating the seller will not accept bids form Indonesia. I always wondered why. Steve – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am selling a guitar in Ebay and keep getting this emails from Indonesia in marginal English from people who want to get my guitar. What’s the catch? As I see many guitar sellers say explicitly that they won’t deal with offers from Indonesia there may be a royal scam going on. Any ideas?
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well..what’s wrong if they send you the money first??? you get the cash..you send it Fedex.. and that’s it.. oh..did i tell anyone her about my 14 days UPS ride for a camera i bought in Atlanta georgia?? it started in atlanta, indiana, ohio and they to washington state!! then..it stayed there for 6 days!! finally,, after some whining on the phone, they released the camerand i got it in 2 more days.. UPS sucks..avoid like the plague!! georgio I am selling a guitar in Ebay and keep getting this emails from Indonesia in marginal English from people who want to get my guitar. What’s the catch? As I see many guitar sellers say explicitly that they won’t deal with offers from Indonesia there may be a royal scam going on. Any ideas?
– Remove the *NOSPAM* part in my email if you reply..
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Agreed. I’d sell to anyone as long as I got their money first. If a check, let it clear the bank first and if paypal, transfer the money from your paypal account into your checking account before sending item. Bobby – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -well..what’s wrong if they send you the money first??? you get the cash..you send it Fedex.. and that’s it.. oh..did i tell anyone her about my 14 days UPS ride for a camera i bought in Atlanta georgia?? it started in atlanta, indiana, ohio and they to washington state!! then..it stayed there for 6 days!! finally,, after some whining on the phone, they released the camerand i got it in 2 more days.. UPS sucks..avoid like the plague!! georgio I am selling a guitar in Ebay and keep getting this emails from Indonesia in marginal English from people who want to get my guitar. What’s the catch? As I see many guitar sellers say explicitly that they won’t deal with offers from Indonesia there may be a royal scam going on. Any ideas? — Remove the *NOSPAM* part in my email if you reply..
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Agreed. I’d sell to anyone as long as I got their money first. If a check, let it clear the bank first and if paypal, transfer the money from your paypal account into your checking account before sending item. Cash, yes. Paypal from an Indonesian buyer, hell no. They use a ripped off card number, you have money in your account (you think) and you ship guitar. Real CC account holder then finds out, money comes back out of your account (or worse, your back account gets frozen until it all gets straightened out), you start bouncing checks because you thought you had bucks there…it’s ugly. PenPal can freeze your bank account? I think not. They can freeze your Penpal account at most. But since a thinking man would have transferred the funds to his own bank before shipping, you can tell them to go to hell. It is THEIR responsibility to provide secure transactions not yours. Even better open a bank account to use with Penpal exclusively.
Yes, they can freeze your paypal bank account, but that is all. Personally, I never left any money to amount to anything in that account, but I definitely do not now with all the reports on the net of Paypal fraud. Simply transfer or withdraw the money out of your paypal account and make it Paypal’s problem and you will see them take a renewed interest in making sure transactions they accept are legit. Bobby
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Agreed. I’d sell to anyone as long as I got their money first. If a check, let it clear the bank first and if paypal, transfer the money from your paypal account into your checking account before sending item. Cash, yes. Paypal from an Indonesian buyer, hell no. They use a ripped off card number, you have money in your account (you think) and you ship guitar. Real CC account holder then finds out, money comes back out of your account (or worse, your back account gets frozen until it all gets straightened out), you start bouncing checks because you thought you had bucks there…it’s ugly.
PenPal can freeze your bank account? I think not. They can freeze your Penpal account at most. But since a thinking man would have transferred the funds to his own bank before shipping, you can tell them to go to hell. It is THEIR responsibility to provide secure transactions not yours. Even better open a bank account to use with Penpal exclusively.
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Ask for payment to be made in a format you are comfortable with, and get your banker to clarify the document. If it’s legit, I don’t see why that should be a problem. Indonesia has a population of 200 million, same as the US. All of them can’t be crooks
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Agreed. I’d sell to anyone as long as I got their money first. If a check, let it clear the bank first and if paypal, transfer the money from your paypal account into your checking account before sending item. Cash, yes. Paypal from an Indonesian buyer, hell no. They use a ripped off card number, you have money in your account (you think) and you ship guitar. Real CC account holder then finds out, money comes back out of your account (or worse, your back account gets frozen until it all gets straightened out), you start bouncing checks because you thought you had bucks there…it’s ugly.
That is why I make sure the money is transferred out of my paypal account to me before I mail anything. My paypal account balance never stays over $10 for more than a few hours. Everytime I get a payment, I head straight to the nearest ATM and have money in hand before I mail. I do that on each and every paypal payment no matter its origination. Bobby – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Bobby well..what’s wrong if they send you the money first??? you get the cash..you send it Fedex.. and that’s it.. oh..did i tell anyone her about my 14 days UPS ride for a camera i bought in Atlanta georgia?? it started in atlanta, indiana, ohio and they to washington state!! then..it stayed there for 6 days!! finally,, after some whining on the phone, they released the camerand i got it in 2 more days.. UPS sucks..avoid like the plague!! georgio I am selling a guitar in Ebay and keep getting this emails from Indonesia in marginal English from people who want to get my guitar. What’s the catch? As I see many guitar sellers say explicitly that they won’t deal with offers from Indonesia there may be a royal scam going on. Any ideas? — Remove the *NOSPAM* part in my email if you reply..
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I am selling a guitar in Ebay and keep getting this emails from Indonesia in marginal English from people who want to get my guitar. What’s the catch? As I see many guitar sellers say explicitly that they won’t deal with offers from Indonesia there may be a royal scam going on. Any ideas?
*MAY* be? According to what I’ve read, not much doubt about it. Google it. Andy
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I am selling a guitar in Ebay and keep getting this emails from Indonesia in marginal English from people who want to get my guitar. What’s the catch? As I see many guitar sellers say explicitly that they won’t deal with offers from Indonesia there may be a royal scam going on. Any ideas?
There’s been alot of problems with Paypal and credit card fraud out of Indonesia. Guitar purchases seem to make up a good bit of that fraud. I would avoid buyers from indonesia if I were you.
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We sell on EBAY as well as our on-line store. EVERY on line order we have ever gotten from Indonesia (and we get at least one a week) has been a fraud. The Indonesian government doesn’t prosecute for such laws being broken as far as internet fraud goes. Any guy that can hack over there can make his way into sites and pull Credit Card numbers and use them for whatever. Even if they succeed 2% of the time, they are still getting over. I always send e-mails asking them to send a Money Order/Cashiers Check/ or Bank Transfer and they never can, or try to say that the person in the states whose card they are using said it was OK. They will also submit a legit billing address, which is even scarier. We put on our EBAY Auctions NO ORDERS FROM INDONESIA and it still doesn’t discourage them from trying anyway. My suggestion is to NEVER under any circumstances sell to Indonesia — Good Luck, Dave at Indoor Storm http://www.indoorstorm.com 2300 Westinghouse Blvd. Suite 110 Raleigh, NC 27604 877-319-8473 ext. 2#
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am selling a guitar in Ebay and keep getting this emails from Indonesia in marginal English from people who want to get my guitar. What’s the catch? As I see many guitar sellers say explicitly that they won’t deal with offers from Indonesia there may be a royal scam going on. Any ideas?
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They can all mess up, but they all usually get it right. I’ve been fine with UPS, fine with real FedEx, problems with FedEx ground, fine with USPS.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – All of them are that bad. I had FedEx send me an over night package that took 6 days. They sent it to the wrong location but it was 10 miles away. They shipped it 200 miles to be redirected to my location. They drove by my house on the way. I told them they could have thrown and hit me with it. well..what’s wrong if they send you the money first??? you get the cash..you send it Fedex.. and that’s it.. oh..did i tell anyone her about my 14 days UPS ride for a camera i bought in Atlanta georgia?? it started in atlanta, indiana, ohio and they to washington state!! then..it stayed there for 6 days!! finally,, after some whining on the phone, they released the camerand i got it in 2 more days.. UPS sucks..avoid like the plague!! georgio I am selling a guitar in Ebay and keep getting this emails from Indonesia in marginal English from people who want to get my guitar. What’s the catch? As I see many guitar sellers say explicitly that they won’t deal with offers from Indonesia there may be a royal scam going on. Any ideas? — Remove the *NOSPAM* part in my email if you reply..
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Agreed. I’d sell to anyone as long as I got their money first. If a check, let it clear the bank first and if paypal, transfer the money from your paypal account into your checking account before sending item.
Cash, yes. Paypal from an Indonesian buyer, hell no. They use a ripped off card number, you have money in your account (you think) and you ship guitar. Real CC account holder then finds out, money comes back out of your account (or worse, your back account gets frozen until it all gets straightened out), you start bouncing checks because you thought you had bucks there…it’s ugly. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Bobby well..what’s wrong if they send you the money first??? you get the cash..you send it Fedex.. and that’s it.. oh..did i tell anyone her about my 14 days UPS ride for a camera i bought in Atlanta georgia?? it started in atlanta, indiana, ohio and they to washington state!! then..it stayed there for 6 days!! finally,, after some whining on the phone, they released the camerand i got it in 2 more days.. UPS sucks..avoid like the plague!! georgio
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am selling a guitar in Ebay and keep getting this emails from Indonesia in marginal English from people who want to get my guitar. What’s the catch? As I see many guitar sellers say explicitly that they won’t deal with offers from Indonesia there may be a royal scam going on. Any ideas? — Remove the *NOSPAM* part in my email if you reply..
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All of them are that bad. I had FedEx send me an over night package that took 6 days. They sent it to the wrong location but it was 10 miles away. They shipped it 200 miles to be redirected to my location. They drove by my house on the way. I told them they could have thrown and hit me with it.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – well..what’s wrong if they send you the money first??? you get the cash..you send it Fedex.. and that’s it.. oh..did i tell anyone her about my 14 days UPS ride for a camera i bought in Atlanta georgia?? it started in atlanta, indiana, ohio and they to washington state!! then..it stayed there for 6 days!! finally,, after some whining on the phone, they released the camerand i got it in 2 more days.. UPS sucks..avoid like the plague!! georgio I am selling a guitar in Ebay and keep getting this emails from Indonesia in marginal English from people who want to get my guitar. What’s the catch? As I see many guitar sellers say explicitly that they won’t deal with offers from Indonesia there may be a royal scam going on. Any ideas? — Remove the *NOSPAM* part in my email if you reply..
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I am selling a guitar in Ebay and keep getting this emails from Indonesia in marginal English from people who want to get my guitar. What’s the catch? As I see many guitar sellers say explicitly that they won’t deal with offers from Indonesia there may be a royal scam going on. Any ideas?
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